Penn State has a stadium-sized money problem if it wants to part ways with James Franklin, and any thoughts of a buyout happening in the near future should probably be put out of your mind.
Pat Kraft made the decision during the offseason to go all in on football — on this coach, this quarterback, and this program. Coming off the national semifinal, James Franklin was given the “home run” coordinator he wanted. He was also given a solid, though not best-in-class, NIL purse. He has complete control over virtually every aspect of the program except one: the renovation of Beaver Stadium.
A significant amount of money is being directed to and tied up in that stadium. The costs are high, and any funds that could be used for a buyout are already committed to the renovation. Interest rates are high, material costs have risen (tariffs aren’t helping), and while the project is on schedule, it is not fully on budget despite public statements to the contrary.
The one or two individuals who could write the check aren’t the type to spend money just to make a statement. They don’t like wasting money, and they don’t want to do it here. What’s left is a highly leveraged athletic department paying for a stadium while betting on this team — and that bet is failing in spectacular fashion. I think James has lost the fanbase, and that makes the jobs of the major gifts team much harder, both in building the excellence fund and in stadium fundraising.
I’ve been told they have a few major gifts in their back pocket that they’ve been holding onto; I’d expect those to be announced soon to calm the masses. But don’t waste the keystrokes speculating about some dramatic, bombastic move from the athletic director. They can’t afford it.
And for the record, Landon Tengwall is acting like a clown, as is PSU Barstool for advocating actions that harm the program. We’re stuck with James for now, and we’ll have to hope he changes his approach. The only realistic path out is a mutual separation at the end of the season — and that would require James deciding he no longer wants to do this here.
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Taycro
Oct 05, 1:42 PM
NorthernStatePSU said:RE Tengwall: Someone on here said he was cut off from the program, is this true? It always seemed like he had an axe to grind with his reporting, although I couldnt just tell if that was typical "negative reporting drives clicks" or something personalPenn State has a stadium sized money problem if it wants to get rid of James Franklin, and I’d put any thoughts of a buyout coming in the near future out of your mind accordingly. Pat Kraft made the decision to go all in on football, this coach, this quarterback during the offseason. James Franklin coming off the national semifinal was given the home run coordinator he desired. He was given a solid, though not best in class, NIL purse. He has full control over everything in this program except for one area…the renovation of Beaver Stadium. There is a lot of money being directed to and tied up in that stadium. Costs associated with it are high and any money that could be tapped for a buyout is already tied up in this stadium. Interest rates are high, materials costs have increased (tariffs not helping), and while the stadium is on time, it is not fully in budget despite comments to the contrary. The one or two people who can pay are not the type of people who like to throw money to make a negative statement. Neither likes to waste money and neither wants to do it. What we’re left with is a very leveraged athletic department paying for a stadium and betting on this team…and that bet failing in spectacular fashion. I think James has lost this fanbase and that makes the jobs of major gifts a lot harder. Both in excellence fund building and in stadium fundraising. Have been told they have a few major gifts in their pocket they’ve been holding out on, I’d expect those to be announced to calm the masses. But don’t waste the keystrokes on the possibility of a spectacular or bombastic display of an AD saying enough is enough. We can’t afford it. Also Landon Tengwall is an absolute clown, as is PSU barstool for advocating to harm the program. We’re stuck with James for now, gonna have to hope he changes his ways. The only way he’s out is if there’s a mutual separation at the end of the season and that’s gonna require James saying he doesn’t wanna do this here anymore.
Stephen Light
Oct 05, 1:42 PM
That’s a reasonable summary of where we are at. There are no doubt many sleepless nights ahead for Pat Kraft and a lot of nerve wracking financial trade offs for the President and the Boatd.
psuhv610
Oct 05, 1:47 PM
Maybe just wishful thinking but I really do think there’s a possibility James is ready to walk away from PSU. His body language is miserable. He looks checked out mentally. Everyone in town hates him. The year that was supposed to be “the year” has been nothing short of an epic fail, and he’s a national laughingstock.
There comes a point where the money ain’t worth it for your mental health. James is still a good man who deserves to be happy and I think he needs to seek that happiness elsewhere, whether it’s a fresh start at a different school (I think taking the Calipari path at a school like Arkansas could be great for him) or a cushy media job that allows him more time with his family.
ThePennsyOracle
Oct 05, 1:48 PM
NorthernStatePSU said:What did Tengwall do or say? I don’t listen to/pay attention to the guy and have no ideaPenn State has a stadium sized money problem if it wants to get rid of James Franklin, and I’d put any thoughts of a buyout coming in the near future out of your mind accordingly. Pat Kraft made the decision to go all in on football, this coach, this quarterback during the offseason. James Franklin coming off the national semifinal was given the home run coordinator he desired. He was given a solid, though not best in class, NIL purse. He has full control over everything in this program except for one area…the renovation of Beaver Stadium. There is a lot of money being directed to and tied up in that stadium. Costs associated with it are high and any money that could be tapped for a buyout is already tied up in this stadium. Interest rates are high, materials costs have increased (tariffs not helping), and while the stadium is on time, it is not fully in budget despite comments to the contrary. The one or two people who can pay are not the type of people who like to throw money to make a negative statement. Neither likes to waste money and neither wants to do it. What we’re left with is a very leveraged athletic department paying for a stadium and betting on this team…and that bet failing in spectacular fashion. I think James has lost this fanbase and that makes the jobs of major gifts a lot harder. Both in excellence fund building and in stadium fundraising. Have been told they have a few major gifts in their pocket they’ve been holding out on, I’d expect those to be announced to calm the masses. But don’t waste the keystrokes on the possibility of a spectacular or bombastic display of an AD saying enough is enough. We can’t afford it. Also Landon Tengwall is an absolute clown, as is PSU barstool for advocating to harm the program. We’re stuck with James for now, gonna have to hope he changes his ways. The only way he’s out is if there’s a mutual separation at the end of the season and that’s gonna require James saying he doesn’t wanna do this here anymore.
5q
Oct 05, 1:51 PM
Well then his power needs removed
They fucjed this season , and something is off as everyone one paid to return, has had their draft stock decrease
so there is definitely internal team issues
pat needs to hire a Gm, and the gm has the authority on how to spend the money
hohmadw1978
Oct 05, 1:53 PM
NorthernStatePSU said:Well stated @NorthernStatePSU. I posted this in another thread, but I was told at the whiteout game by Zakee Wheatley's father that there is a lot of tension in the locker room and there are several parents very upset (I overheard one at the Oregon game) with their lack of playing time and letting Coach Franklin know it. Team focus is shot as a result.Penn State has a stadium sized money problem if it wants to get rid of James Franklin, and I’d put any thoughts of a buyout coming in the near future out of your mind accordingly. Pat Kraft made the decision to go all in on football, this coach, this quarterback during the offseason. James Franklin coming off the national semifinal was given the home run coordinator he desired. He was given a solid, though not best in class, NIL purse. He has full control over everything in this program except for one area…the renovation of Beaver Stadium. There is a lot of money being directed to and tied up in that stadium. Costs associated with it are high and any money that could be tapped for a buyout is already tied up in this stadium. Interest rates are high, materials costs have increased (tariffs not helping), and while the stadium is on time, it is not fully in budget despite comments to the contrary. The one or two people who can pay are not the type of people who like to throw money to make a negative statement. Neither likes to waste money and neither wants to do it. What we’re left with is a very leveraged athletic department paying for a stadium and betting on this team…and that bet failing in spectacular fashion. I think James has lost this fanbase and that makes the jobs of major gifts a lot harder. Both in excellence fund building and in stadium fundraising. Have been told they have a few major gifts in their pocket they’ve been holding out on, I’d expect those to be announced to calm the masses. But don’t waste the keystrokes on the possibility of a spectacular or bombastic display of an AD saying enough is enough. We can’t afford it. Also Landon Tengwall is an absolute clown, as is PSU barstool for advocating to harm the program. We’re stuck with James for now, gonna have to hope he changes his ways. The only way he’s out is if there’s a mutual separation at the end of the season and that’s gonna require James saying he doesn’t wanna do this here anymore.
Beaverman72
Oct 05, 1:56 PM
psuhv610 said:I was thinking the same thing. Arkansas or a media role could be good for him. Hopefully he comes to a similar conclusion. He’s done a lot of good, but this is it.Maybe just wishful thinking but I really do think there’s a possibility James is ready to walk away from PSU. His body language is miserable. He looks checked out mentally. Everyone in town hates him. The year that was supposed to be “the year” has been nothing short of an epic fail, and he’s a national laughingstock. There comes a point where the money ain’t worth it for your mental health. James is still a good man who deserves to be happy and I think he needs to seek that happiness elsewhere, whether it’s a fresh start at a different school (I think taking the Calipari path at a school like Arkansas could be great for him) or a cushy media job that allows him more time with his family.
Psuproud
Oct 05, 2:00 PM
Beaverman72 said:The problem with Franklin leaving for another job is he will be an incredibly hard sale for an AD to the programs biggest donors.I was thinking the same thing. Arkansas or a media role could be good for him. Hopefully he comes to a similar conclusion. He’s done a lot of good, but this is it.
NorthernStatePSU
Oct 05, 2:01 PM
hohmadw1978 said:I fully believe this team has a culture and leadership problem. That starts with James. James is in full control of his program. From not having an NIL GM to every coach/analyst/coordinator and who/what we decided to pay for certain guys. It’s his show.Well stated @NorthernStatePSU. I posted this in another thread, but I was told at the whiteout game by Zakee Wheatley's father that there is a lot of tension in the locker room and there are several parents very upset (I overheard one at the Oregon game) with their lack of playing time and letting Coach Franklin know it. Team focus is shot as a result.
psuhv610
Oct 05, 2:02 PM
Beaverman72 said:It feels obvious that James’s strengths in the coaching world are in program building and recruiting. He would be better off at a program that yearns to be successful but doesn’t necessarily have hopes of a National Championship.I was thinking the same thing. Arkansas or a media role could be good for him. Hopefully he comes to a similar conclusion. He’s done a lot of good, but this is it.
Corneliuswonder
Oct 05, 2:03 PM
They’ve made the bed they’re sleeping in, which includes committing $700M+ and every available major donor for a stadium renovation. Now they need to figure out a way out of it, but I don’t think it will be easy.
nittanyfan333
Oct 05, 2:03 PM
NorthernStatePSU said:Very well stated (sans the emotional Tengwall stuff) the ONLY thing we can hope for is that this loss knocks him off his dogma, whatever that is (he feels really dogmatic in his approach because it’s the same problem every year). I was hoping he’d do it after the Oregon loss but in retrospect I think he probably looked at it as if Oregon is a really good team and they were close, so keep on the same path. If losing to one of the worst teams in the country doesn’t make him SERIOUSLY reevaluate everything, then we’re stuck with this for the foreseeable future.Penn State has a stadium sized money problem if it wants to get rid of James Franklin, and I’d put any thoughts of a buyout coming in the near future out of your mind accordingly. Pat Kraft made the decision to go all in on football, this coach, this quarterback during the offseason. James Franklin coming off the national semifinal was given the home run coordinator he desired. He was given a solid, though not best in class, NIL purse. He has full control over everything in this program except for one area…the renovation of Beaver Stadium. There is a lot of money being directed to and tied up in that stadium. Costs associated with it are high and any money that could be tapped for a buyout is already tied up in this stadium. Interest rates are high, materials costs have increased (tariffs not helping), and while the stadium is on time, it is not fully in budget despite comments to the contrary. The one or two people who can pay are not the type of people who like to throw money to make a negative statement. Neither likes to waste money and neither wants to do it. What we’re left with is a very leveraged athletic department paying for a stadium and betting on this team…and that bet failing in spectacular fashion. I think James has lost this fanbase and that makes the jobs of major gifts a lot harder. Both in excellence fund building and in stadium fundraising. Have been told they have a few major gifts in their pocket they’ve been holding out on, I’d expect those to be announced to calm the masses. But don’t waste the keystrokes on the possibility of a spectacular or bombastic display of an AD saying enough is enough. We can’t afford it. Also Landon Tengwall is an absolute clown, as is PSU barstool for advocating to harm the program. We’re stuck with James for now, gonna have to hope he changes his ways. The only way he’s out is if there’s a mutual separation at the end of the season and that’s gonna require James saying he doesn’t wanna do this here anymore.
hohmadw1978
Oct 05, 2:03 PM
NorthernStatePSU said:Spot on Greg. Could not agree more. Being close to the Wrestling program as a donor and fund raiser, their success is built on establishing the right culture, leadership and the Wrestlers having fun. Have had the pleasure of being at two practices this year and seeing this first hand. @NorthernStatePSUI fully believe this team has a culture and leadership problem. That starts with James.
Bob78
Oct 05, 2:04 PM
Taycro said:Interesting. I haven't heard that. He is very objective, imo, which usually means someone is going to be upset and feel targeted. I'm not sure what he said that caused Northern State to call him a clown. Something after yesterday's loss?RE Tengwall: Someone on here said he was cut off from the program, is this true? It always seemed like he had an axe to grind with his reporting, although I couldnt just tell if that was typical "negative reporting drives clicks" or something personal
psuhv610
Oct 05, 2:05 PM
Psuproud said:A school like Arkansas should be over the moon if a guy like James was willing to come through the door. They’ve won 9 games once since 2011. I agree that a school like Florida with actual championship aspirations would probably have minimal interest in him.The problem with Franklin leaving for another job is he will be an incredibly hard sale for an AD to the programs biggest donors.
NorthernStatePSU
Oct 05, 2:05 PM
ThePennsyOracle said:He’s a shock jock at this point and last night basically told Penn State fans to not support NIL here. Which would effectively kill this program and any coach who’d have interest in it. He’s not a friend to Penn State.What did Tengwall do or say? I don’t listen to/pay attention to the guy and have no idea
nittanyfan333
Oct 05, 2:07 PM
psuhv610 said:I said this in another thread. He is an emotional coach, not a game day X’s and O’s game management style of coach. That is fine in the lower FBS ranks and at the FCS level where expectations are significantly lower. And I would argue that was exactly what this program needed post sanction years. But we are beyond that now, and the expectations are through the roof. once he moved up to this level of competition, he has been ill prepared to actually coach and manage games. The sample size is more than big enough to prove that out.It feels obvious that James’s strengths in the coaching world are in program building and recruiting. He would be better off at a program that yearns to be successful but doesn’t necessarily have hopes of a National Championship.
Psuproud
Oct 05, 2:07 PM
psuhv610 said:The school maybe over the moon but I am not sure the fanbase would be and that would put a lot of pressure on the AD if doesn't quickly work.A school like Arkansas should be over the moon if a guy like James was willing to come through the door. They’ve won 9 games once since 2011. I agree that a school like Florida with actual championship aspirations would probably have minimal interest in him.
nittanyfan333
Oct 05, 2:09 PM
NorthernStatePSU said:That’s a bit hyperbolic no? He’s not a friend to Penn state? So he’s an enemy? Did you not see the things that the vast majority of the fanbase were saying? Everyone was (is) emotionalHe’s a shock jock at this point and last night basically told Penn State fans to not support NIL here. Which would effectively kill this program and any coach who’d have interest in it. He’s not a friend to Penn State.
Pennstater55
Oct 05, 2:09 PM
The cost-benefit analysis must include the long-term ramifications beyond just dollars and cents. I completely understand the AD being leveraged, but what is the cost of not doing anything?
Recruiting just got exponentially more difficult. As Sean pointed out on last Thursday's pod, the messaging was already less-than-great coming out of the Oregon loss, but now it's going to be flat-out bad. What vision can you sell to HS recruits when you aren't willing to pay top NIL (since you spent it on all roster retention) and you can't beat 0-4 UCLA? That doesn't include the transfer portal issues if the rumors of locker room turmoil are accurate.
Fan support is low. Yes, seats are sold for this year, but next year? Will people or corporations want to invest in the luxury options to continue supporting this product? If every dollar counts, that has to be considered. How do you continue to cultivate major gifts for what most consider to be a program in purgatory?
Yes, cleaning house will cost a lot of money, but it could also introduce new funding streams from donors who have been holding out and hoping for change.
I don't think there's an easy answer to this, but I really don't think the "grin and bear it" approach is the right one. We're potentially looking at issues that could set the program back for multiple years.
ElJefe603
Oct 05, 2:10 PM
Psuproud said:Boosters are the decision makers at Arkansas, not the AD Which, given who is involved on the football side, is why football is a dumpster fire and has been for decadesThe school maybe over the moon but I am not sure the fanbase would be and that would put a lot of pressure on the AD if doesn't quickly work.
crftsy
Oct 05, 2:10 PM
nittanyfan333 said:He's been one of the top-10 most successful coaches in the country for the last decade. How can you sit there and say this level of competition is too much and he's been ill-prepared to actually coach and manage games? That's just nonsense. If you want to say he can't get us to a national championship level, fine. But we don't have to just make shit up.I said this in another thread. He is an emotional coach, not a game day X’s and O’s game management style of coach. That is fine in the lower FBS ranks and at the FCS level where expectations are significantly lower. And I would argue that was exactly what this program needed post sanction years. But we are beyond that now, and the expectations are through the roof. once he moved up to this level of competition, he has been ill prepared to actually coach and manage games. The sample size is more than big enough to prove that out.
NewYorkNittany
Oct 05, 2:10 PM
Psuproud said:Wouldn’t be a hard sell for the level of program he could actually get hired at. This isn’t about being able to sell him at a blueblood program with CFP aspirations. This is him taking a bottom barrel G4 program who wants to be more competitive or a top G5 that will compete in their league regularly but not be a factor in the national landscape of college football.The problem with Franklin leaving for another job is he will be an incredibly hard sale for an AD to the programs biggest donors.
PSUBillMc
Oct 05, 2:11 PM
The worst thing that could have happened was all those players coming back, especially Allar. They put everything on the Oregon game and it’s resulted in an epic meltdown. I’ve always believed that next year was the next inflection point in this process but I think somewhere in the back of Franklin’s mind, he’s considering if stepping away is best for him and PSU after this season.
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