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BlueTKDec 17, 8:02 PM

The threads nitpicking Deboer are proof

That no matter what , you can always find a flaw in a candidate. I do understand that some may prefer Dillingham due to youth, enthusiasm etc. But Deboer also has a proven track record of head coaching success for far longer. If you asked anyone during the season if you wanted to swap Sherrone for Deboer would anyone (well maybe one) turn that down? Of course not. It is very fortunate that we can have an unexpected vacancy and have a top 5-10 coach be strongly considering us. If people are enamored with the upside of Dillingham, i have no problem with that. But it feels like we already have some that are grumbling about Deboer being the top choice, when pretty much every MIdwest power would do the same. I guess I'm saying, lets see how this plays out and we dont need to look for reasons to be grumpy just yet. We get either of the top 2 guys on our list, we just upgraded hugely on the head coach and likely staff overall.
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Trogdor

Dec 17, 8:03 PM

BlueTK said:
That no matter what , you can always find a flaw in a candidate. I do understand that some may prefer Dillingham due to youth, enthusiasm etc. But Deboer also has a proven track record of head coaching success for far longer. If you asked anyone during the season if you wanted to swap Sherrone for Deboer would anyone (well maybe one) turn that down? Of course not. It is very fortunate that we can have an unexpected vacancy and have a top 5-10 coach be strongly considering us. If people are enamored with the upside of Dillingham, i have no problem with that. But it feels like we already have some that are grumbling about Deboer being the top choice, when pretty much every MIdwest power would do the same. I guess I'm saying, lets see how this plays out and we dont need to look for reasons to be grumpy just yet. We get either of the top 2 guys on our list, we just upgraded hugely on the head coach and likely staff overall.
no. i'm going to complain. fight me
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ClaytonSayfie

Dec 17, 8:06 PM

There's no perfect coach or situation. There will always be challenges with whoever you hire. It's funny, everyone had only positives to say about the Michigan basketball team this season, maybe other than backup PG (rich ppl problems), and then they play close against Wake and TCU, and people have all sorts of complaints. People act like there were never going to be any negative thing ever happen, and as if the opponent doesn't have a say in any outcome or situation, just because a situation is good overall.
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WNCGoBlue

Dec 17, 8:07 PM

My biggest contention is how his team has performed against us. Natty, clearly we were a much better squad. Last year's bowl game? Out coached and out played by a subpar squad. Not saying I wouldn't be happy, but that's one reason I prefer Dillingham over him. Yet, he has beat Lanning multiple times.
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ClaytonSayfie

Dec 17, 8:10 PM

WNCGoBlue said:
My biggest contention is how his team has performed against us. Natty, clearly we were a much better squad. Last year's bowl game? Out coached and out played by a subpar squad. Not saying I wouldn't be happy, but that's one reason I prefer Dillingham over him. Yet, he has beat Lanning multiple times.
I'm not sure that Milroe was the right QB for him — or all that good anyway — but they still had a solid team. And let's be honest, if the first quarter wasn't one of the weirder ones anyone has ever seen, Alabama probably wins. I give Michigan credit for that win but still
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JDaller

Dec 17, 8:12 PM

BlueTK said:
That no matter what , you can always find a flaw in a candidate. I do understand that some may prefer Dillingham due to youth, enthusiasm etc. But Deboer also has a proven track record of head coaching success for far longer. If you asked anyone during the season if you wanted to swap Sherrone for Deboer would anyone (well maybe one) turn that down? Of course not. It is very fortunate that we can have an unexpected vacancy and have a top 5-10 coach be strongly considering us. If people are enamored with the upside of Dillingham, i have no problem with that. But it feels like we already have some that are grumbling about Deboer being the top choice, when pretty much every MIdwest power would do the same. I guess I'm saying, lets see how this plays out and we dont need to look for reasons to be grumpy just yet. We get either of the top 2 guys on our list, we just upgraded hugely on the head coach and likely staff overall.
DeBoer is 123-19, including 19-3 against top 25 teams! Anyone not wanting him blows my mind. The guy wins. He passes a little bit more to do it. Like Clayton says, win by 1 or more. I do not want to be an air raid team and abandon the run and physicality but we paid Bryce a lot of money. He has been handcuffed. With DeBoer I don’t think we see a run for 1 yard in every single 1st down play call. That would be a breath of fresh air.
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AnthonyBroome

Dec 17, 8:13 PM

WNCGoBlue said:
My biggest contention is how his team has performed against us. Natty, clearly we were a much better squad. Last year's bowl game? Out coached and out played by a subpar squad. Not saying I wouldn't be happy, but that's one reason I prefer Dillingham over him. Yet, he has beat Lanning multiple times.
Lanning and Kirby multiple times
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WNCGoBlue

Dec 17, 8:14 PM

ClaytonSayfie said:
I'm not sure that Milroe was the right QB for him — or all that good anyway — but they still had a solid team. And let's be honest, if the first quarter wasn't one of the weirder ones anyone has ever seen, Alabama probably wins. I give Michigan credit for that win but still
Wait, you've never seen a game with a Biblical downpour and an offensive team playing with hands dipped in butter instead of stick 'em? Amateur. :)
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WNCGoBlue

Dec 17, 8:15 PM

AnthonyBroome said:
Lanning and Kirby multiple times
I had forgotten about Kirby. Indeed he has handled business proficiently.
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Beefalo87

Dec 17, 8:15 PM

Not nitpicking. He hasn’t done an amazing job at Alabama. There are concerns about his run game dating back much further. His record in Division II is largely irrelevant. Is it not ok to analyze flaws of candidates on a message board or are we just supposed to pretend he’s a perfect homerun hire because that’s what some think?
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ClaytonSayfie

Dec 17, 8:15 PM

WNCGoBlue said:
Wait, you've never seen a game with a Biblical downpour and an offensive team playing with hands dipped in butter instead of stick 'em? Amateur. :)
So stick 'em was how Fred Moore caught that ball, with no gloves (Freddy No Gloves)?!
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Harbaugh_Hammer

Dec 17, 8:15 PM

Given the situation with our athletic department I’d be thrilled to have either one. Neither is perfect, but both are great
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BlueDroid3

Dec 17, 8:16 PM

We should be happy with either of the top two. At first I was DeBoer first then Dillingham, but now I clearly believe Dillingham has the higher ceiling so I'd go with him. Both of these guys will be dudes with the firepower support network they will have at Michigan.
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WNCGoBlue

Dec 17, 8:18 PM

ClaytonSayfie said:
So stick 'em was how Fred Moore caught that ball, with no gloves (Freddy No Gloves)?!
Exactly! And I have just given the trolls, lurking rival fans, another cheating scandal. I can see it now, "Michigan switched out Bama's stick 'em and gloves with butter in bowl game." Yes, I'm aging myself with the stick 'em talk. Oh well.
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GingerWolverine1001

Dec 17, 8:19 PM

ClaytonSayfie said:
I'm not sure that Milroe was the right QB for him — or all that good anyway — but they still had a solid team. And let's be honest, if the first quarter wasn't one of the weirder ones anyone has ever seen, Alabama probably wins. I give Michigan credit for that win but still
the rushing game or lack there of is a HUGE concern for a michigan head coach
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ClaytonSayfie

Dec 17, 8:20 PM

GingerWolverine1001 said:
the rushing game or lack there of is a HUGE concern for a michigan head coach
There's no perfect candidate. He may be good enough for Alabama. He was good enough to make the national championship game at a Pac-12 program. There are also different ways to win. John Beilein's style is nothing like Dusty May's, but they both work. It'll be an adjustment if he comes here but could still win.
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GingerWolverine1001

Dec 17, 8:25 PM

BlueTK said:
That no matter what , you can always find a flaw in a candidate. I do understand that some may prefer Dillingham due to youth, enthusiasm etc. But Deboer also has a proven track record of head coaching success for far longer. If you asked anyone during the season if you wanted to swap Sherrone for Deboer would anyone (well maybe one) turn that down? Of course not. It is very fortunate that we can have an unexpected vacancy and have a top 5-10 coach be strongly considering us. If people are enamored with the upside of Dillingham, i have no problem with that. But it feels like we already have some that are grumbling about Deboer being the top choice, when pretty much every MIdwest power would do the same. I guess I'm saying, lets see how this plays out and we dont need to look for reasons to be grumpy just yet. We get either of the top 2 guys on our list, we just upgraded hugely on the head coach and likely staff overall.
his lack of any competent running game is very concerning
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Maize N Blue

Dec 17, 8:25 PM

BlueTK said:
That no matter what , you can always find a flaw in a candidate. I do understand that some may prefer Dillingham due to youth, enthusiasm etc. But Deboer also has a proven track record of head coaching success for far longer. If you asked anyone during the season if you wanted to swap Sherrone for Deboer would anyone (well maybe one) turn that down? Of course not. It is very fortunate that we can have an unexpected vacancy and have a top 5-10 coach be strongly considering us. If people are enamored with the upside of Dillingham, i have no problem with that. But it feels like we already have some that are grumbling about Deboer being the top choice, when pretty much every MIdwest power would do the same. I guess I'm saying, lets see how this plays out and we dont need to look for reasons to be grumpy just yet. We get either of the top 2 guys on our list, we just upgraded hugely on the head coach and likely staff overall.
He had Justice Haynes for a season and didn’t use him. That’s concerning.
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GoBlueFromIowa

Dec 17, 8:27 PM

WNCGoBlue said:
My biggest contention is how his team has performed against us. Natty, clearly we were a much better squad. Last year's bowl game? Out coached and out played by a subpar squad. Not saying I wouldn't be happy, but that's one reason I prefer Dillingham over him. Yet, he has beat Lanning multiple times.
Cannot compare a pointless bowl game when they felt like they should have been in the CFP. All others points are valid.
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ChrisBalas

Dec 17, 8:34 PM

BlueTK said:
That no matter what , you can always find a flaw in a candidate. I do understand that some may prefer Dillingham due to youth, enthusiasm etc. But Deboer also has a proven track record of head coaching success for far longer. If you asked anyone during the season if you wanted to swap Sherrone for Deboer would anyone (well maybe one) turn that down? Of course not. It is very fortunate that we can have an unexpected vacancy and have a top 5-10 coach be strongly considering us. If people are enamored with the upside of Dillingham, i have no problem with that. But it feels like we already have some that are grumbling about Deboer being the top choice, when pretty much every MIdwest power would do the same. I guess I'm saying, lets see how this plays out and we dont need to look for reasons to be grumpy just yet. We get either of the top 2 guys on our list, we just upgraded hugely on the head coach and likely staff overall.
Yeah. The fact that people think that a 123 and 19 head coach isn't good enough for them after all the crap we've been through here is pretty remarkable
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@iwilly

Dec 17, 8:36 PM

123-19 is pretty powerful
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mich90

Dec 17, 8:42 PM

BlueTK said:
That no matter what , you can always find a flaw in a candidate. I do understand that some may prefer Dillingham due to youth, enthusiasm etc. But Deboer also has a proven track record of head coaching success for far longer. If you asked anyone during the season if you wanted to swap Sherrone for Deboer would anyone (well maybe one) turn that down? Of course not. It is very fortunate that we can have an unexpected vacancy and have a top 5-10 coach be strongly considering us. If people are enamored with the upside of Dillingham, i have no problem with that. But it feels like we already have some that are grumbling about Deboer being the top choice, when pretty much every MIdwest power would do the same. I guess I'm saying, let’s see how this plays out and we dont need to look for reasons to be grumpy just yet. We get either of the top 2 guys on our list, we just upgraded hugely on the head coach and likely staff overall.
Kalen DeBoer is the DREAM candidate for Michigan. The DREAM. He’s basically the football version of John Beilein. BOOMER SOONER! Oklahoma owes us a solid for Sherrone Moore. Beat Bama and we’ll see Kalen’s plane landing on Sunday afternoon and a press conference on Tuesday. The only thing standing in our way are the Sooners. They owe us for the 1976 Orange Bowl. They owe us for Sherrone Moore…they owe us for getting rolled in the 2008 game Fiesta Bowl by West Virginia and getting everyone excited about Rich Rod. Tomorrow is an ENORMOUS game for Michigan.
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NotTom

Dec 17, 8:44 PM

I think @ClaytonSayfie hit it on the head — there isn’t a single coach anyone could say is absolutely perfect, 100% guaranteed sure thing. This really is an exercise in degrees of “weaknesses” or perceived shortcomings. And considering those imperfect things on one side of the ledger vs their strengths on the other, there are way more positives than negatives. By far. Overall, DeBoer and Dillingham are both outstanding options and I’d be thrilled with either guy for slightly different reasons. You truly can’t go wrong there.
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mich90

Dec 17, 8:45 PM

ChrisBalas said:
Yeah. The fact that people think that a 123 and 19 head coach isn't good enough for them after all the crap we've been through here is pretty remarkable
You and I know…this is the dude. I said it 2 years ago and I stand by my opinion. This is our John Beilein of football.
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@iwilly

Dec 17, 8:46 PM

mich90 said:
Oklahoma owes us a solid for Sherrone Moore.
Truth!!

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