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Hopefully, Noah’s success can finally fill the family void that was left after his great Aunt Fawn’s tragic kiln accident back in ‘62.
It’s crazy to read articles about athletes from other countries.

I remember reading about the Australian rep for 86 kg at 2024 Olympics. That he was going to “have” to beat yazdani.

what happens? Gets yazdani 1st round, loses 9-4.
 

dicemen99

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There’s just no replication for it.

plus, these are “kids” - they have to learn how to have a gas tank AFTER cutting weight. There’s a level of professionalism Americans have due to our incessant need to compete often.

these guys barely compete 4 times a year.
Yes, I get this. Although it has been well proven over the last 15 years that constant competition and increased training intensity are not necessary to achieve this. Whether the Gable disciples want to admit it or not, a consistent theme of the PSU dominance is breaking guys late.

But some of these guys are done 90 seconds in. Kids or not. And it's too consistent to be the adrenaline dump or situational muscle fatigue.

We are having a lot of success now on the international stage. For a decade now. You'd think this would lead to some adaptation.
 
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Amazing. Goggles shows up when Cole has a bad showing. Never could have predicted that
You got me, but it was more the 'very winnable' observation. It actually made me laugh out loud. I probably would have responded the same regardless of the wrestler.

Any wrestler who packs it in after being down 3-0 isn't mentally tough enough for worlds. I don't think that is a characteristic of any PSU wrestler.
 
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You got me, but it was more the 'very winnable' observation. It actually made me laugh out loud. I probably would have responded the same regardless of the wrestler.

Any wrestler who packs it in after being down 3-0 isn't mentally tough enough for worlds. I don't think that is a characteristic of any PSU wrestler.
Packed it in? Not mentally tough enough? How did you do the last time you competed at Worlds?
 
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Packed it in? Not mentally tough enough? How did you do the last time you competed at Worlds?
I think you need to read that again. He didn't pack it in he just got beat by a bigger better wrestler. Hence no, I am sorry, not a very winnable match.

For that matter, I can't remember the last 0-11 winnable match anywhere, ever, but at least optimism is a good thing. Don't give that up on my account.

Cole is a 197 going heavy, whether folk or free, his quickness, skill and athleticism will be too much for 70-80% of his competition, but against full feed 'elite' guys, it's going to be rough going.

My money has him as a low podium AA this year. Pretty dam good.
 

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I think you need to read that again. He didn't pack it in he just got beat by a bigger better wrestler. Hence no, I am sorry, not a very winnable match.

For that matter, I can't remember the last 0-11 winnable match anywhere, ever, but at least optimism is a good thing. Don't give that up on my account.

Cole is a 197 going heavy, whether folk or free, his quickness, skill and athleticism will be too much for 70-80% of his competition, but against full feed 'elite' guys, it's going to be rough going.

My money has him as a low podium AA this year. Pretty dam good.

It was a very winnable match from the start. If I have to explain to you how the match changed from a potential 1-0 lead to a 0-3 deficit and how that played into match strategy, momentum, confidence and gas tank issues, then you don’t understand competitive sports. Happy for you to just disagree with me because I don’t value your opinion.
 

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Duke had more trouble defending the underhook than I expected. Iranian guys are obviously elite from that position but he was able to control PJ better than I thought. I think the biggest thing is that it shuts down Dukes seatbelt which is probably his best position and makes him defend with a whizzer instead. I’m glad he got to feel this style and it gives him and the coaches something to work on before senior worlds.
 

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Yes, I get this. Although it has been well proven over the last 15 years that constant competition and increased training intensity are not necessary to achieve this. Whether the Gable disciples want to admit it or not, a consistent theme of the PSU dominance is breaking guys late.

But some of these guys are done 90 seconds in. Kids or not. And it's too consistent to be the adrenaline dump or situational muscle fatigue.

We are having a lot of success now on the international stage. For a decade now. You'd think this would lead to some adaptation.
Now, now... Let's not act like the PSU guys didn't GROW UP in the American system! Literally every guy on your roster has wrestled since damn near birth. AND has cut weight consistently as a youth. Kudos to Cael for preserving them as adults, though. (and yes, unlocking gassing guys out, like my Hawks USED to do)

You're forgetting how hard it is to cut weight and compete. Americans at a younger age steel themselves with the time honored tradition of cutting weight for weekends on end.

When you only cut weight 4 times in your entire life??? That's a lot to deal with. For most of the foreigners this is literally one of the first times they've cut a decent amount of weight and then competed against world level competition - let alone an American who can out-pace just about anyone.

Just remember these countries don't take conditioning as serious, nor weight cutting at the younger ages. You see that level outs once they hit Seniors and U23s. Should they adapt? Sure. But their focus is just a bit different.
 
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Now, now... Let's not act like the PSU guys didn't GROW UP in the American system! Literally every guy on your roster has wrestled since damn near birth. AND has cut weight consistently as a youth. Kudos to Cael for preserving them as adults, though. (and yes, unlocking gassing guys out, like my Hawks USED to do)

You're forgetting how hard it is to cut weight and compete. Americans at a younger age steel themselves with the time honored tradition of cutting weight for weekends on end.

When you only cut weight 4 times in your entire life??? That's a lot to deal with. For most of the foreigners this is literally one of the first times they've cut a decent amount of weight and then competed against world level competition - let alone an American who can out-pace just about anyone.

Just remember these countries don't take conditioning as serious, nor weight cutting at the younger ages. You see that level outs once they hit Seniors and U23s. Should they adapt? Sure. But their focus is just a bit different.
You'd think they'd have bigger tanks from chasing reluctant sheep around the mountains, but apparently not.
 

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Any wrestler who packs it in after being down 3-0 isn't mentally tough enough for worlds. I don't think that is a characteristic of any PSU wrestler.
I think you need to read that again. He didn't pack it in he just got beat by a bigger better wrestler. Hence no, I am sorry, not a very winnable match.
Which is it?
 

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I think you need to read that again. He didn't pack it in he just got beat by a bigger better wrestler. Hence no, I am sorry, not a very winnable match.

For that matter, I can't remember the last 0-11 winnable match anywhere, ever, but at least optimism is a good thing. Don't give that up on my account.

Cole is a 197 going heavy, whether folk or free, his quickness, skill and athleticism will be too much for 70-80% of his competition, but against full feed 'elite' guys, it's going to be rough going.

My money has him as a low podium AA this year. Pretty dam good.
Totally disagree. In on first 3 shots, leg in the air, walk him out it is 3-0 as opposed to 0-3. Totally different match.
 
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Which is it?
By stating an 11-0 drubbing was 'very winnable' had just that first sequence gone in Cole's favor implied to me that CarolinaFan was making the case a measly 3-0 deficit led to the tech, not the other 8 to 0 points. Hence if anyone is saying Cole packed it in, it's him, not me.

Our guys don't pack it in. In my view Cole will probably lose that match 9 of 10 times, giving it his all.

Maybe Carolina should explain his rationale behind his 'very winnable' observation. I don't see it.
 

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Lockett has a tough road to even medal. What a brutal half of the bracket. He starts his repechage against Annaorazov who he should definitely beat but then gets Wagin. Wagin beat Khaniev at euros. Winner of that will wrestle Yamaguchi for bronze. I absolutely think Lockett can and will get it done but damn is it tough
 

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By stating an 11-0 drubbing was 'very winnable' had just that first sequence gone in Cole's favor implied to me that CarolinaFan was making the case a measly 3-0 deficit led to the tech, not the other 8 to 0 points. Hence if anyone is saying Cole packed it in, it's him, not me.

Our guys don't pack it in. In my view Cole will probably lose that match 9 of 10 times, giving it his all.

Maybe Carolina should explain his rationale behind his 'very winnable' observation. I don't see it.

If you didn’t understand my very basic comment the first time, there is no point in me trying to dumb it down further for you. I think you very succinctly summed up your ability to comprehend it with “I don’t see it”. As I stated earlier, I don’t value your opinion so I will spare others that would like to focus on the athletes and the results by ending this back and forth. Best of luck to you going forward.
 

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Russia has Kazharov in repechage, Khaniev in the finals, Magomedov in the finals, and Gagloev is out

Iran has Elahi in repechage, Nehad in the finals, and both Mamivand and Alizadeh are out

zzs — thank you for all the valuable content on the international wrestlers and teams. I try to keep up myself but your information is always very helpful and greatly appreciated.