Again..... students?

BrklynGrad

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Went to the Sat. game with my wife: her first game this year. This morning I asked what she thought of the whole vibe. Only downside was "where were the students?" She--- not an alum---- said she was embarrassed, especially amid all the Marquette fans there.
Offered a few explanations. Are busses provided from campus? Are tickets free or subsidized by other fees? Unlike my Hall days, are kids studying on Saturday mornings?
Mentioned that all the players are new, but she came back with "but the team is really good."

What's the reason?

Came home to watch UCONN at Creighton to hear Donny Marshall say the crowd at the Omaha off-campus site had all the excitement of a campus arena. There were 18,000 in attendance with 300 standing.
I know that is Omaha, but...........?
 
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Hall Is Life

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Need free round-trip transportation, highly discounted tickets and beer!
Not sure that's going to do it. Transportation is free. Tickets cost hardly anything (at least that's how it was when I was there). But beer...yes, beer. But then you've got to assume that at least half of the students are underage and what's in it for them? Food? Turn a blind eye and give them beer anyway? I don't know, but whatever they're doing clearly isn't working.
 

NYC Pirate

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Went to the Sat. game with my wife: her first game this year. This morning I asked what she thought of the whole vibe. Only downside was "where were the students?" She--- not an alum---- said she was embarrassed, especially amid all the Marquette fans there.
Offered a few explanations. Are busses provided from campus? Are tickets free or subsidized by other fees? Unlike my Hall days, are kids studying on Saturday mornings?
Mentioned that all the players are new, but she came back with "but the team is really good."

What's the reason?

Came home to watch UCONN at Creighton to hear Donny Marshall say the crowd at the Omaha off-campus site had all the excitement of a campus arena. There were 18,000 in attendance with 300 standing.
I know that is Omaha, but...........?
They do provide buses to the games.

Creighton is a bit different because it is like that area's Pro Sports Team, what Syracuse is to upstate, NY. The Gonzaga students were completely dialed in for their #6 team in the nation team against St.Mary's. Further issue being what will donations look like when they become alums?
 

STLPirate12

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Clearly there's a reason the students aren't motivated to attend games right now. But the onus isn't on the students to just show up, it's on the athletic administration to figure out the reason(s) why they aren't and address it.

It's a basic truth of sports business. The fans owe a team nothing, it's on the team to give the fans a reason to show up.
 

Seton75

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Maybe i am crazy, but supporting my college is not a traditional business transaction.

As i see it, 2 restaurants open up near me. one is owned by someone i know well and respect, the other by a stranger. He has to earn my biz. The former has me and has to scare me away.

I never lived on campus, knew none of the players, rarely saw them on campus. And couldnt wait to see them play cause they played for my school. Today, rather than being jeolous of them getting money, i may be thankful that college hoops raised the stature of SHU to where it is today abd i can watch us play BE level hoops. (And, i am no rich guy, but I paid for my sons' tuition, am I really that unusual?)
 
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HallLine69

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It's beyond my comprehension why this year the students are not showing up. The team is very successful, transportation is provided. It boggles my mind why they no-show. Yes, the administration should do what they can to stimulate attendance. But imho the fault is 100% with the students. Shame on them.
 

NCAAsorBust

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Any chance the students just aren't big fans of the players themselves? Just throwing it out there, you're 15-6 on the bubble, there should be a ton of excitement. You should at least be going to support your friends, right?
 

SPK145

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It's beyond my comprehension why this year the students are not showing up. The team is very successful, transportation is provided. It boggles my mind why they no-show. Yes, the administration should do what they can to stimulate attendance. But imho the fault is 100% with the students. Shame on them.
The issue to me is that the students were showing up earlier in the season and now bupkis. Did something happen? The team is still pretty decent, I don't get it.
 

NCAAsorBust

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It's beyond my comprehension why this year the students are not showing up. The team is very successful, transportation is provided. It boggles my mind why they no-show. Yes, the administration should do what they can to stimulate attendance. But imho the fault is 100% with the students. Shame on them.
Very successful and left off of most bracketology brackets. Have we fallen that far?
 

NCAAsorBust

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Did most of you guys have friends on the team? Not me. I almost never even saw them. Except on the court.
I wouldn't call them friends by any means. But I do have enough stories of guys showing up to parties thinking they didn't have to pay the door fee because they were on the basketball team. One time it happened at a party with a good number of wrestlers and a few players ended up being shown the door.
 

VegasPJ1

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Maybe the students have no interest in supporting a pro team unlike past teams that were composed entirely of co-students, who were also athletes. 😵💫
 
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BrklynGrad

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Maybe the students have no interest in supporting a pro team unlike past teams that were composed entirely of co-students, who were also athletes. 😵💫
This has come up a few times. It doesn't seem to be a problem, though, at UCONN or Creighton, and who knows what those guys are getting.
Do the players live apart from the rest of the dorm students? A former admisistrator told me they might be living on the other side of S. Orange Ave. Do they go to class? Do they drive expensive cars?
 
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This has come up a few times. It doesn't seem to be a problem, though, at UCONN or Creighton, and who knows what those guys are getting.
Do the players live apart from the rest of the dorm students? A former admisistrator told me they might be living on the other side of S. Orange Ave. Do they go to class? Do they drive expensive cars?
I love this particular aspect of the topic at hand.

Maybe at the schools where the program is historically successful (Kansas) or is the only game in town (Creighton), fans have come to accept NIL more willingly. There is a sense of tradition, going to the games is an event, and there is a sense of community. Not necessarily a bond with the players themselves but with the fellow fans you sit next to.

If you’re a school like Indiana with football. When you have been bad for so long, the fans will rally around a team because they have been starved of success for so long.

Now if you are Seton Hall. Ask yourself this…

Do we really have a ton of tradition?
A: I say NO. We have always been Seton Who?
I always laugh about the time Tyrese Samuel went to the BE freshman conference or whatever it was called and they did the pick a team with X amount of dollars game. And he goes, “I picked this Terry Dehere guy cause I saw his picture on campus once.”

Is going to the game an event?
A: I say NO. Even the fans on this board (most die hards) complain about traffic, weather, start times, parking costs, pretzels, etc etc.
When the season ticket holders pick and choose which games they want to go, because it’s still a better deal to buy the entire package then to buy individual game tickets, you know something is off.

Are the students bothered by NIL?
A: I say YES.
If I were a student living on campus and the cost of my degree is going to cost me over a quarter of a million dollars to graduate if I live on campus, then I would have animosity towards someone who is getting that same degree for free and then making hundreds of thousands of dollars on top of that.

I have no agenda with this example. But if I know a player like Manny Okorofor is getting a free education, makes a couple hundred thousand, performs poorly on the court, contributes little to a team that went 7-25, and then turns arounds and requests close to $800,000. Damn right I wouldn’t be inclined to spend my time and money to go support that type of mercenary. And that’s what the players are, mercenaries.
If we find out that an athletic program is operating at a financial loss, did the athletes truly deserve the piece of the pie they are getting paid, if the pie is making enough to be profitable.
 

PhishingPirate088

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I love this particular aspect of the topic at hand.

Maybe at the schools where the program is historically successful (Kansas) or is the only game in town (Creighton), fans have come to accept NIL more willingly. There is a sense of tradition, going to the games is an event, and there is a sense of community. Not necessarily a bond with the players themselves but with the fellow fans you sit next to.

If you’re a school like Indiana with football. When you have been bad for so long, the fans will rally around a team because they have been starved of success for so long.

Now if you are Seton Hall. Ask yourself this…

Do we really have a ton of tradition?
A: I say NO. We have always been Seton Who?
I always laugh about the time Tyrese Samuel went to the BE freshman conference or whatever it was called and they did the pick a team with X amount of dollars game. And he goes, “I picked this Terry Dehere guy cause I saw his picture on campus once.”

Is going to the game an event?
A: I say NO. Even the fans on this board (most die hards) complain about traffic, weather, start times, parking costs, pretzels, etc etc.
When the season ticket holders pick and choose which games they want to go, because it’s still a better deal to buy the entire package then to buy individual game tickets, you know something is off.

Are the students bothered by NIL?
A: I say YES.
If I were a student living on campus and the cost of my degree is going to cost me over a quarter of a million dollars to graduate if I live on campus, then I would have animosity towards someone who is getting that same degree for free and then making hundreds of thousands of dollars on top of that.

I have no agenda with this example. But if I know a player like Manny Okorofor is getting a free education, makes a couple hundred thousand, performs poorly on the court, contributes little to a team that went 7-25, and then turns arounds and requests close to $800,000. Damn right I wouldn’t be inclined to spend my time and money to go support that type of mercenary. And that’s what the players are, mercenaries.
If we find out that an athletic program is operating at a financial loss, did the athletes truly deserve the piece of the pie they are getting paid, if the pie is making enough to be profitable.
Next to no kid is bothered by nil to the extent to not attend a game..not even close

If it was a “thing” they would be there case closed
 

VegasPJ1

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I agree. College students are either clueless to NIL or overwhelmingly in favor of it.
The only college “students” overwhelmingly in favor of NIL are the pro athletes receiving it, unlike the students who are there to receive an education. 😰
 
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We grew up with sports and many of us played. So, we are more inclined to go out of our way. The young colleagues that I have are more excited about Spiderman than the Superbowl. They are not teenagers either. Probably not enough juice for The Hall students to attend all the BigEast games. Plus, they do go home a lot. I did point out that they made those kids wait on long lines, in the freezing cold, going through Security when their busses arrived. That could not have been fun. Prudential needs to fix that issue for all fans.
 

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Did most of you guys have friends on the team? Not me. I almost never even saw them. Except on the court.
I don’t know if being friends matters. I had plenty of friends on the team and went to every game. I knew people who had many friends on the team and didn’t go to a single game.

But I do think there needs to be some type of connection. Even if you weren’t friends you would see them going to classes, around campus, etc, and there was a comradery in that sense. I have no idea if that’s still the case
 
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NIL BAD

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Could it be a hangover from last year's team's success? Not really sure, just throwing it out there.

Bottom line is if the administration wants more students at the game they need to create a demand despite the hassle of getting there. For us, supporting this team is enough. Obviously that's not the case with the students.

Maybe it is time to start selling those tickets to the general public if they're not claimed by a certain time. If a student ticket is claimed but goes unused, the student is charged face value to their university account.
 

MBryantFan88

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Could it be a hangover from last year's team's success? Not really sure, just throwing it out there.

Bottom line is if the administration wants more students at the game they need to create a demand despite the hassle of getting there. For us, supporting this team is enough. Obviously that's not the case with the students.

Maybe it is time to start selling those tickets to the general public if they're not claimed by a certain time. If a student ticket is claimed but goes unused, the student is charged face value to their university account.
"For us, supporting this team is enough. Obviously that's not the case with the students."

I assume us means alum/rest of fan base? Attendance, in general, is bad. Unless its a marquee match up, tons of seats/rows empty.
 

STLPirate12

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We here on this board are also outliers. The fact that we care enough to be discussing this here is proof enough of that, so our dedication and desire to be at every game doesn't apply to the majority. Most students are what you would call casual fans. Basketball games are something to do and they'll show up if you make it worth their time, but they have other entertainment options too. It's up to the athletic department to make it worth their time. The first question is what are competing with right now that they're losing out to?
 

VegasPJ1

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NIL has cost more than just payments to wannabe pro athletes.
As a former alum & non scholarship athlete, who lived off campus, I knew most, if not all, of the athletes on all of the teams. The scholarship athletes used their talents in return for a free education and the love of their sport. The rest of us did it for the latter. We all were proud to represent SH.

NIL changed all that. I couldn’t wait to watch future alums representing SH on tv. This year I may have watched 80 minutes worth. I haven’t watched any other “college” games either. Oh, I’m not alone in this regard. 😰
 
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NCAAsorBust

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I love this particular aspect of the topic at hand.

Maybe at the schools where the program is historically successful (Kansas) or is the only game in town (Creighton), fans have come to accept NIL more willingly. There is a sense of tradition, going to the games is an event, and there is a sense of community. Not necessarily a bond with the players themselves but with the fellow fans you sit next to.

If you’re a school like Indiana with football. When you have been bad for so long, the fans will rally around a team because they have been starved of success for so long.

Now if you are Seton Hall. Ask yourself this…

Do we really have a ton of tradition?
A: I say NO. We have always been Seton Who?
I always laugh about the time Tyrese Samuel went to the BE freshman conference or whatever it was called and they did the pick a team with X amount of dollars game. And he goes, “I picked this Terry Dehere guy cause I saw his picture on campus once.”

Is going to the game an event?
A: I say NO. Even the fans on this board (most die hards) complain about traffic, weather, start times, parking costs, pretzels, etc etc.
When the season ticket holders pick and choose which games they want to go, because it’s still a better deal to buy the entire package then to buy individual game tickets, you know something is off.

Are the students bothered by NIL?
A: I say YES.
If I were a student living on campus and the cost of my degree is going to cost me over a quarter of a million dollars to graduate if I live on campus, then I would have animosity towards someone who is getting that same degree for free and then making hundreds of thousands of dollars on top of that.

I have no agenda with this example. But if I know a player like Manny Okorofor is getting a free education, makes a couple hundred thousand, performs poorly on the court, contributes little to a team that went 7-25, and then turns arounds and requests close to $800,000. Damn right I wouldn’t be inclined to spend my time and money to go support that type of mercenary. And that’s what the players are, mercenaries.
If we find out that an athletic program is operating at a financial loss, did the athletes truly deserve the piece of the pie they are getting paid, if the pie is making enough to be profitable.
As far as lack of tradition, I think recent history plays a big part. we have played in one NCAA tournament game in 7 years. The seniors haven’t seen us in the dance as students. The freshman know of us one time in the big dance since they were in 6th grade. I didn’t expect attendance that low but we gotta give them something to be excited about and after the 4 game losing streak we needed to get 2 wins this past week and we may need 2 more just to get on the students radar. I wish they would show up on their own anyway, but clearly that’s not the case. Go out there and win.

If the reason for operating at a loss is because your coach is getting paid 3 million then yes the players deserve something.
 
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Reality is they have only won 1 tournament game in the past 14 seasons. Just getting there and bowing out isn’t that exciting for some either.

Every fan has their own expectations of what a successful season is.

For me it would be challenging to make the tournament, year in and year out. Playing meaningful games into March. Knocking off a top 25 opponent here or there or potentially getting ranked themselves.

The attendance struggled at times during the 2023-24 campaign and that team should have absolutely made the tournament The students didn’t decide to not show up because they knew we would be snubbed after 5 bid stealers entered the conversation.

There is definitely more to it. We are all taking about this topic as engaged basketball “fans”. They need to tap into the pulse of a casual student. This is a student activity. If you don’t really like basketball why would you go. But like most 18-22 year olds. If it happens to be the place to be, you will follow the crowd. Who are the student influencers that will get their peers to join them?
 
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HALL85

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I don’t pretend in can see the world through a 20 year old lens. There are so many forms of entertainment available to these kids today, I can understand that they might be fickle, going to a game one week and something else the next.

With the money and media in college sports I think there are lots of kids that pick a school for the big school P4 atmosphere, to be at a school that is on Gameday, a national brand, packed stadiums, etc.

I doubt a student is picking SHU because of the MBB experience. So it might be too much to expect these kids to be the ravenous fans that show up for every game. It probably had very little to do with their decision.
 

Seton75

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it's extremely strange. almost fishy.
I cant trust my memory from game to game. The uconn game had a terrific student section. I assume the nova game was good but dont renember, nor do I remember the OOC games? I do rememver pathetic attendance for the Walsh games. Was early season student attendance good (or at least better), then disappeared?