Again..... students?

Hall Is Life

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I cant trust my memory from game to game. The uconn game had a terrific student section. I assume the nova game was good but dont renember, nor do I remember the OOC games? I do rememver pathetic attendance for the Walsh games. Was early season student attendance good (or at least better), then disappeared?
The Nova game was on 12/23 (winter break). I think the only two games that saw packed student sections were Rutgers and UConn.
 
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Hall1996

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My quick thought is it is still hangover from losing all of our best players following the NIT season, having an all time bad season last year, and being predicted to be bad this year. Just not enough "juice" in program right now, even though we are winning. Students were good for a bit (like Rutgers & Uconn), but then we hit skids, last few home games been none exciting opponents, plus crappy weather, etc.

My nephew came to most games for years with his dad when was a teenager, he is now a student at SHU and he comes to some games, skips others. I ask why didn't come and get no real answer. Kids at that age are easily swayed, I know from my own teenagers.

Hopefully getting back on winning streak, and we can get upset this week will help draw kids to next home game.
 
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Seton75

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NIL has cost more than just payments to wannabe pro athletes.
As a former alum & non scholarship athlete, who lived off campus, I knew most, if not all, of the athletes on all of the teams. The scholarship athletes used their talents in return for a free education and the love of their sport. The rest of us did it for the latter. We all were proud to represent SH.

NIL changed all that. I couldn’t wait to watch future alums representing SH on tv. This year I may have watched 80 minutes worth. I haven’t watched any other “college” games either. Oh, I’m not alone in this regard. 😰
Have to respect this opinion.

But do ratings and attendance around the country show the new rules are making college hoops less popular. I have not read any articles saying this is true, and if I wrote about college sports, thus is an obvious subject to monitor.

I have attended every game possible (missed one Walsh game) fwiw, and am watching more college hoops than I have been in recent years fwiw.
 
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I love this particular aspect of the topic at hand.

Maybe at the schools where the program is historically successful (Kansas) or is the only game in town (Creighton), fans have come to accept NIL more willingly. There is a sense of tradition, going to the games is an event, and there is a sense of community. Not necessarily a bond with the players themselves but with the fellow fans you sit next to.

If you’re a school like Indiana with football. When you have been bad for so long, the fans will rally around a team because they have been starved of success for so long.

Now if you are Seton Hall. Ask yourself this…

Do we really have a ton of tradition?
A: I say NO. We have always been Seton Who?
I always laugh about the time Tyrese Samuel went to the BE freshman conference or whatever it was called and they did the pick a team with X amount of dollars game. And he goes, “I picked this Terry Dehere guy cause I saw his picture on campus once.”

Is going to the game an event?
A: I say NO. Even the fans on this board (most die hards) complain about traffic, weather, start times, parking costs, pretzels, etc etc.
When the season ticket holders pick and choose which games they want to go, because it’s still a better deal to buy the entire package then to buy individual game tickets, you know something is off.

Are the students bothered by NIL?
A: I say YES.
If I were a student living on campus and the cost of my degree is going to cost me over a quarter of a million dollars to graduate if I live on campus, then I would have animosity towards someone who is getting that same degree for free and then making hundreds of thousands of dollars on top of that.

I have no agenda with this example. But if I know a player like Manny Okorofor is getting a free education, makes a couple hundred thousand, performs poorly on the court, contributes little to a team that went 7-25, and then turns arounds and requests close to $800,000. Damn right I wouldn’t be inclined to spend my time and money to go support that type of mercenary. And that’s what the players are, mercenaries.
If we find out that an athletic program is operating at a financial loss, did the athletes truly deserve the piece of the pie they are getting paid, if the pie is making enough to be profitable.

When you're 16-6, going to the games should be an event. Last year, I don't blame anyone who stopped going. I was on the baseball team, and they, the basketball team, always had the perks. No, it wasn't making more than most alumni, but they were treated like royalty, pushed us out of Walsh gym whenever PJ wanted (though he was extremely gracious), had nice clothes, jewelry and better cars than I drive now (Bill Ayers?). You can choose to let this annoy you, or get over it, and enjoy part of the college experience. Carino mentions what a big part of the experience it SHOULD be at a place like Seton Hall.

The caveat is that I graduated with Terry Dehere, so there was a recent Final 4, a Final 8 sophomore year, and 2 Big East Tournament championships in my time there. Made lots of us - some who couldn't care less about basketball before stepping on campus -- fans for life.
 
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HALL85

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Have to respect this opinion.

But do ratings and attendance around the country show the new rules are making college hoops less popular. I have not read any articles saying this is true, and if I wrote about college sports, thus is an obvious subject to monitor.
It might be a little deceiving. This may fall into the rich are getting richer and poor, poorer.

What drives the ratings are the elite conferences and elite programs. The SEC and Big Ten are super conferences that dominate the ratings. And those ratings are based on prime time games involving the top teams on any given week.

What about the bottom tier of those P5 programs and mid majors? Outside of a UConn game, my guess is that big east ratings are pretty modest.

I have attended every game possible (missed one Walsh game) fwiw, and am watching more college hoops than I have been in recent years fwiw.
 
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NIL BAD

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I believe the Uconn game was during Christmas Break also.
 

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It might be a little deceiving. This may fall into the rich are getting richer and poor, poorer.

What drives the ratings are the elite conferences and elite programs. The SEC and Big Ten are super conferences that dominate the ratings. And those ratings are based on prime time games involving the top teams on any given week.

What about the bottom tier of those P5 programs and mid majors? Outside of a UConn game, my guess is that big east ratings are pretty modest.
Isn’t that the same for basically every sport every year
 
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My bad 12 years.
They won a tournament game in 2003-2004 season knocking off Arizona in the 8/9 game.
Oops didn’t have my coffee yet on the left coast when I responded to this prior to 7 am.

21 years. Inverted the numbers. There is a mathematical term for my artistic personality.
 

Hall Berry

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From the season 2004-2005 through 2024-2025 that's 21 seasons but only 20 NCAA tournaments, the Seton Hall University Pirates Men's Basketball team has only 1 NCAA tourney win
Wow, that makes it one NCAA tournament victory for Seton Hall (thankfully!) during the lifetime of the current Seton Hall student! Amazing really.
 

The_Hall

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it was empty when they were ranked. this was a literal impossibility no matter what era or year prior.

is anyone close to a student?
 

sobo1

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Came home to watch UCONN at Creighton to hear Donny Marshall say the crowd at the Omaha off-campus site had all the excitement of a campus arena. There were 18,000 in attendance with 300 standing.
I know that is Omaha, but...........?
I know this wasn't the point of your post, but just for informational purposes, Creighton's "off campus" arena is about 5 blocks from campus.

There is a major culture issue at the school. It's way beyond the 20-minute bus ride, cost of tickets, or bitterness towards NIL. There is no sense of community. Their relationship with the school seems strictly transactional. I'm just here to go to class and get a degree. Don't have time or care about any other filler.