Does anyone feel better or worse about the year if their coach wins or doesn’t win COY. It’s a team game. Great our coach won COY but we’re sitting home watching other teams play meaningful games in March. Hip Hip Hooray for Us!!!
Big East COY
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Comparing preseason KP ranking to their end of season rating, every team in the BE underperformed except for Villanova (+18 spots) and Seton Hall (+41 spots).
It's Seton Hall's biggest jump since 2016 when we were #82 preseason and finished #29 (+53 spots).
It's Seton Hall's biggest jump since 2016 when we were #82 preseason and finished #29 (+53 spots).
| Team | Pre | Final | Difference |
| St. John's | 16 | 21 | -5 |
| Uconn | 5 | 11 | -6 |
| Villanova | 50 | 32 | 18 |
| Seton Hall | 93 | 52 | 41 |
| Creighton | 41 | 75 | -34 |
| DePaul | 78 | 102 | -24 |
| Providence | 48 | 74 | -26 |
| Butler | 72 | 83 | -11 |
| Marquette | 47 | 85 | -38 |
| Georgetown | 82 | 86 | -4 |
| Xavier | 62 | 96 | -34 |
My final COY knowing that the last games were not taken into consideration.
1. Willard
1A . Holloway
3. Pitino
3A. Hurley
1. Willard
1A . Holloway
3. Pitino
3A. Hurley
Not that it matters it’s a zero award
I really don’t understand the Sha being at the top. He had a good year..but coty?? Wow
Willard too higher than sha but not coty at all
This is how I'd go. A realistic case can be made for only these four and I separate them into two groups: The overachievers (Willard & Holloway) and the two who ran away with the league by a wide margin (Pitino & Hurley). Willard gets the nod over Holloway - better record, NCAA team, and beat Holloway twice. Pitino over Hurley due to UConn losing yesterday. Pitino's team also got better though the season. I can't say the same about UConn. This is why the voting should take place after all 20 games, not before the final weekend. Hurley effectively eliminated himself from this award yesterday. It would be a travesty if he wins it due to early voting. No reason the coaches can't send in their vote today and have the league announce it later this week.
So it comes down to Pitino vs. Willard. I have to go with Pitino because he ran away with the league and Willard got swept by both SJU and UConn.
Maybe we could rank which BE coaches had so much NIL that they took a conference Foe’s best player? I’ll start Pitino 2 over the last two years. Every other BE coach, zero. He’ll do anything to stomp on his counterparts.
That would be nice and Sha's agent will probably use it in talks for another contract extension. I think Sha did a good job and overachieved with the talent that he had much more than any other team/coach. However I just have a tough time giving COTY to a coach who doesn't make the NCAAT when there are 3 other candidates who have a strong case and all beat us head to head twice.
Exactly. It would be akin to one of the guys who won it in the past with this type of record/performance, but also an outlier because in those years there was no single team that seemed to dominate the league like 2 did this year. There could also be some Hurley/Pitino fatigue associated with the award, which is what Jay Wright (I think) experienced certain years after he won a bunch. Then it would come down to Willard and Sha, although I think you can make compelling arguments for both under these circumstances.
Imo, neither SJ or Uconn are happy with their seasons. SJ not happy with the OOC. Uconn not happy finishing 2nd. Both expected better and underperformed.
Uconn was picked second (barely) and finished 2nd. They finished 1 W off tying the BE record of 18 wins (which they already did once, and SJU has now done twice). They killed the OOC, are a top 10 team and probable 2 seed it seems. I'm sure they aren't happy with finishing 2nd under the circumstances (losing the last game against MQ when a W gives them a tie), but that is a far, far cry from being disappointed, expecting better or underperforming.
I'd say SJU was disappointed with the OOC, but ecstatic about the BE regular season and probably pretty content with where they are presently. Either way, that is a far cry from not being happy or "underperformance".
They also spent the most on players. Those two teams should be dominant. Remember when Joe Girardi won manager of the year with the Marlins with a losing record. It’s because he blew away expectations. Seton Hall blew away expectations. While he did not beat any of the top teams, both games with St John’s and the one game with UConn, the Hall could have won. They were not blown out and competed to the last second. To me, when you talk about expectations and money, Shaheen has to be right there. Ridiculous that anyone who has a brain would say that he doesn’t deserve a vote.
How is this possible? The posters who told us all year long we couldn’t handle the “Facts” he has no chance? I guess they don’t know the more than the BE coaches.
Tried to tell everyone these past couple of days that it was going to be Sha or Willard. But didn't seem like many believed.
The question now is how close was anyone else? I thought Willard would be neck and neck. But without knowing the exact details not even sure if Willard was close.
The question now is how close was anyone else? I thought Willard would be neck and neck. But without knowing the exact details not even sure if Willard was close.
I get the viewpoint that Sha deserves consideration given how he exceeded expectations. Of course rosters matter and how a coach performs relative to that. But I don't think it is a wild opinion or take to suggest that coaches who preside over regular seasons that reach or tie the overall conference record for wins deserve consideration for the award. Dominance is dominance and $$ nor talented players guarantees anything. The last time a coach won BE COY for a team that seemed to have a similar profile to ours (at or above .500, barely, not NCAA worthy on paper, but far exceeding expectations) was Anderson in 20-21. And I pointed out that that particular year involved teams at the top of the league who didn't have the gaudy records of Uconn or SJU this year, which probably was a factor. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with the notion, I'm just pointing out the historical context. I don't think it means I don't have a brain, but carry on.
Because we all have different opinions sometimes. If they are objective, based in fact, I don't see why it needs to result in a name-calling exercise or internet trolling. This board -- and I'm sure you -- sometimes agree and sometimes disagree with where the BE coaches land on these awards.
No more extensions until you punch a ticket to the NCAA’s.
While I responded to your post, that comment was not directed to you. It was towards JoeyKings. Just to clarifY.
I think we have to extend him, or at least make certain promises related to NIL, if his agent starts barking up that tree. Plus, apparently now if he wins this COY award we cannot bring up the fact that he hasn't been to the NCAA in his first 3 years and will only get there this year if we win the Big East, Ewing-style.
Agreed. Laughable to give this award to a coach who won't come close to the NCAA Tournament. Pretty weak by the league coaches. Rick Pitino went 18-2. Kevin Willard went 15-5 with lower than usual expectations. Those should be the only two in contention.
Assuming Sha wins, what does it say about the talent on our team? It would seem like most think we have very little talent, and winning 10 games with this group of players is tremendous accomplishment.
Anyway, as i stated before, the award should be math exercise - NIL / Total Wins.
Anyway, as i stated before, the award should be math exercise - NIL / Total Wins.
Sha took a team pick last and finished 4th. Up 7 spots compared to pre- season predictions. No other Big East coach can say that.
Should Geno Auriemma get the women’s COY every single year?
They were only picked last because of last season's record, which happened with a completely different roster (horrible) assembled by the same guy. There are only three players on this year's team that were on last year's team. One of them is a walk on. Another has played a grand total of four minutes the entire season. The third has only played 10 games and averages less than a point per game.
The coaches set their expectations based on last year's finish, which has nothing to do with this year. Completely different roster given the pay-for-play era we're in. Those expectations mean absolutely nothing.
The bottom line is the Big East COY is 0-4 in making NCAA Tournaments and hasn't won a Big East Tournament game entering this week. It's not a good resume. It's funny how most on here give him a total pass for last season's train wreck, yet praise him for this year's mediocre showing. Most coaches (at real, serious programs - which Seton Hall obviously isn't one) get canned after Year 3 if they don't produce. Around here, we throw around extensions and free passes, yet the guy still hasn't done a damn thing. Simply maddening for those of us with any kind of expectations. But I'm not blind to the fact that most Seton Hall fans, especially on this board, have little to no expectations for this program.
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Tell me when Holloway has around $10 million to compete with the upper half of the league, then we can evaluate him more objectively. In the meantime I’ll give credence to the judgement of the coaches in the league who actually do the voting. If he does win it, good for him and it’s good for SHU too.
Of course not, but consider the sources. The head coach of seton hall potentially winning COY is met with dissertations on why he shouldn’t win. This board is barely holding on to being a seton hall fan site.
Great analysis, as always, Fishjam!
Stop being picked dead last preseason!!!!!! You’re getting excited because we didn’t finish last. Hip hip hooray we didn’t finish last. It was impossible for 7 of the 11 teams to finish 7 spots higher. There is no 0th place
So we couldn't evaluate him his first 2 years when NIL wasn't nearly as big of an issue, it seemed, in part because the kids couldn't transfer more than once?