Big East Selection

NYShoreGuy

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St John's by virtue of their ooc losses kind of had a seeding ceiling.

We get the zuby bowl next weekend then 2 big east teams in DC

Willard better remember what happened his last San Diego trip
 

NYShoreGuy

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The big east should not expand

The ncaa tournament should not expand

Val should be given the grace to leave on her own timeline. Remember she works for the 11 conf presidents/chancellors
 

MooneyHall07

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I understand the frustration about SJU, I don’t know who on the 4 line (AR, AL, KS, NE) you knock down. All four had more quad 1 wins and none of them had a Q3 loss that the Johnnies had (Providence at home).
 

NYShoreGuy

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I understand the frustration about SJU, I don’t know who on the 4 line (AR, AL, KS, NE) you knock down. All four had more quad 1 wins and none of them had a Q3 loss that the Johnnies had (Providence at home).
Alabama heads up is a factor too.
 

Gritty5837

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Outside of UConn,SJU and Nova the BE is in trouble ie lack of NIL $$$.

Creighton, Marquette and Providence have plenty of NIL to stay competitive. Butler, Xavier, Seton Hall & Depaul will continue to struggle staying middle of the pack in NIL. Georgetown I have no idea, I'd guess they can come up with good money if the right HC is there.
 

dehere23

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The Committee also loaded up the East in my opinion. I think that bracket is by far the best, and it seems like they were trying to put as many HOF coaches in one bracket as possible lol.
 

dehere23

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I understand the frustration about SJU, I don’t know who on the 4 line (AR, AL, KS, NE) you knock down. All four had more quad 1 wins and none of them had a Q3 loss that the Johnnies had (Providence at home).
If they want to give Bama the nod over them because of a head to head game in early November and the SEC is better, I get it. The one I don't understand is Nebraska. As I just posted in another thread, I think our OOC is better than Nebraska's if what I saw was correct.
 

NYShoreGuy

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Some here will feel no juice but perhaps the big east would be best to go into ooc alliance scheduling vs another similar conference that profiles the same. You can forget the P4. In this environment their mids are gonna have way more advantage. Just look at seeds today.

Minus st johns gonzaga uconn who was the next best non P4 seeded? Look where all the other P4 at larges got seeded. Compared them to other P4 mids. The question isn't can a non P4 team play better vs the P4 mids schedule it is is the non P4 team better than the mid P4.
 

Fishjam

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Big East needs to be better. Twice now in 3 years there has only been 3 NCAAT bids. That costs the conference millions and millions in badly needed revenue and Val needs to take this extremely seriously.

A few areas to focus.....

1) Schools need to spend money on players

Can't have 40% of the league spending $4-6 Million on players when P4 average is $8.5M. They have the ability to spend whatever they want in Revenue Sharing, take advantage of not having football and leverage the 1 advantage you have. There should be a spending floor every year and the league needs to give better guidance to schools on what will be needed every Portal season.

2) Schools need to capitalize on the Conference to pool resources and negotiate as a group

Instead of every school hiring teams of people to raise revenues from corporations, attendance, etc., the Conference should hire a team to provide these services for member schools. Making group deals with corporate sponsors should be easier and save money.

Rather than every school trying to figure out how to monetize their OOC schedule AND find good opponents, the BE should hire consultants with expertise in this and who can make group deals. Don't PAY money to play in outdated MTEs. Create your own events or partner with others to put on MTEs that create revenue for our schools. Organize a Conference vs Conference Challenge. If the P4 doesn't want to do that, make a deal with the top 11 non-P4 schools on a multi-year scheduling agreement.

3) Bring coaches together to talk about how to improve offense

Offense is improving in Division 1 every year but too many Big East teams play terrible offense. Not 1 BE school is in the top 25 in KenPom Offensive Efficiency this year. Last year only 1 team was top 25. Overall Pace of Play numbers are even worse. This style of play hurts in OOC play and it brings down the conference's efficiency metrics and NET. Too many BE games are old-school, slow-paced, physical battles.
 

Bluebirds_

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Big East needs to be better. Twice now in 3 years there has only been 3 NCAAT bids. That costs the conference millions and millions in badly needed revenue and Val needs to take this extremely seriously.

A few areas to focus.....

1) Schools need to spend money on players

Can't have 40% of the league spending $4-6 Million on players when P4 average is $8.5M. They have the ability to spend whatever they want in Revenue Sharing, take advantage of not having football and leverage the 1 advantage you have. There should be a spending floor every year and the league needs to give better guidance to schools on what will be needed every Portal season.

2) Schools need to capitalize on the Conference to pool resources and negotiate as a group

Instead of every school hiring teams of people to raise revenues from corporations, attendance, etc., the Conference should hire a team to provide these services for member schools. Making group deals with corporate sponsors should be easier and save money.

Rather than every school trying to figure out how to monetize their OOC schedule AND find good opponents, the BE should hire consultants with expertise in this and who can make group deals. Don't PAY money to play in outdated MTEs. Create your own events or partner with others to put on MTEs that create revenue for our schools. Organize a Conference vs Conference Challenge. If the P4 doesn't want to do that, make a deal with the top 11 non-P4 schools on a multi-year scheduling agreement.

3) Bring coaches together to talk about how to improve offense

Offense is improving in Division 1 every year but too many Big East teams play terrible offense. Not 1 BE school is in the top 25 in KenPom Offensive Efficiency this year. Last year only 1 team was top 25. Overall Pace of Play numbers are even worse. This style of play hurts in OOC play and it brings down the conference's efficiency metrics and NET. Too many BE games are old-school, slow-paced, physical battles.
I hear what you’re saying but this season was set up beautifully for us to make the tournament we just truly weren’t good enough. Losing to DePaul twice, Butler at home, and choking to creighton. Even if we are 0-6 vs the top of the league, that’s 4 games we absolutely can not lose and ultimately kept us out of the tournament.
 

PhishingPirate088

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I hear what you’re saying but this season was set up beautifully for us to make the tournament we just truly weren’t good enough. Losing to DePaul twice, Butler at home, and choking to creighton. Even if we are 0-6 vs the top of the league, that’s 4 games we absolutely can not lose and ultimately kept us out of the tournament.
Looking at the tournament I don’t think that even gets us in

Seems like we needed 2 more (or just two) good wins and a few less of those losses
 
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MooneyHall07

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If they want to give Bama the nod over them because of a head to head game in early November and the SEC is better, I get it. The one I don't understand is Nebraska. As I just posted in another thread, I think our OOC is better than Nebraska's if what I saw was correct.

You are correct Nebraska’s OOC was horrible at #319 according to Kenpom. By contrast, SJU was #44. Despite that huge disparity Nebraska had a better Net SOS rating from Kenpom at #43, SJU was at #44 overall as well. Nebraska played 15 Quad 1 games, going 9-6. Of those 2 were OOC, the rest were in-league. SJU played 10 Quad 1 games, going .500. Of those, five were OOC, and 5 were league games (including their win at SHU 10 days ago)
 

Garyshu1971

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Having one more legitimate quality player at the power 4 position would have made all the difference. You have a great chance to win some games against the top three teams and those four horrible losses would be wins . Plus you win one or two more out of conference. Just one player. They need to come up with the money to give Sha the ability to put together a balanced team . Otherwise what you saw is what we’re going to get. And if you’re not going all in then why bother spending close but no cigar type money. I really hate seeing Buzz Williams be right about his Big East prediction. And yes we are now The WCC of the East. High mid major living off of past reputations.
 
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Gritty5837

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The Committee also loaded up the East in my opinion. I think that bracket is by far the best, and it seems like they were trying to put as many HOF coaches in one bracket as possible lol.

It is by far the best. And what's with them always putting Michigan State and Duke in the same bracket?
 

Bud Boomer

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The league was awful in the non-conference. We all said it at the time. It was always going to have a ripple effect come selection Sunday, and it did. Our league champ wins the double, and gets a 5-seed with an opening game on the west coast. Yikes.
 
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Seton75

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The new rules are designed to whittle down the number of schools who can afford to be a real factor in college hoops. And the ones in charge of things are the ones profiting.

4 mill, now 8, then 14. Money out of a schools operating fund. And basketball is not why Bishop Bayley decided to found a college.

We all love hoops. Hoops has been a very positive part of SHU. But there comes a time when money gets stretched to far and hard choices are made. Now, maybe I am just paranoid, cause the new rules hurt my school. But just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

Val should not be thinking of how to build a better roster. She, and ADs of schools like us nationwide, need to be loud and obnoxious and unending in their fight to fix this system. Cause this system is designed to make us go away.
 

NYShoreGuy

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The league was awful in the non-conference. We all said it at the time. It was always going to have a ripple effect come selection Sunday, and it did. Our league champ wins the double, and gets a 5-seed with an opening game on the west coast. Yikes.
Truly feel arkansas has a worse story than this.
 

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Kenpom's highest rated teams to miss the Dance

38 Auburn
40 Oklahoma
44 Cincinnati
46 Indiana
48 San Diego State
49 Baylor
50 New Mexico
51 Seton Hall
 

MooneyHall07

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The league was awful in the non-conference. We all said it at the time. It was always going to have a ripple effect come selection Sunday, and it did. Our league champ wins the double, and gets a 5-seed with an opening game on the west coast. Yikes.

It sucks for SJU to go to San Diego but they have Northern Iowa first and then Kansas, which is not the worst draw in the world. If they win they get Duke but at least they'll take their shot in DC against them instead of playing Michigan in Chicago or Florida in Houston.
 
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SPK145

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The new rules are designed to whittle down the number of schools who can afford to be a real factor in college hoops. And the ones in charge of things are the ones profiting.

4 mill, now 8, then 14. Money out of a schools operating fund. And basketball is not why Bishop Bayley decided to found a college.
Seton Hall itself doesn't fund much of this, the donors do.
 
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