Brad Wachtel is a phony with this latest tweet....

[G- RUnit]

Lots of overreactions in this thread.

Wachtel said after the NW loss that the RU-UM loser would be eliminated, but he also said that the winner was NOT guaranteed to be in.

This tweet is consistent with his prior comments, and is also accurate in terms of what the COMMITTEE will think.

But ignoring that Wiscy and Michigan our completion all along both lost and now have fallen. That’s what the Committee will have to think. And if PSU is your recent darling to take our spot, we recently beat them to sweep them so Committe can’t have PSU above us either.

Hard pressed for Committee to see a bubble team pass now pass us.

 

[FinalFourOrBust_rivals142702]

UNC is on the bubble and their entire resume is wins against FSU, ND, BC, Louisville with wins agains Wake, Virginia, Cuse sprinkled in there

Unc isn’t even in the first 4 out at this point and has no bad losses. Weren’t you the guy who said Rutgers wasn’t making the tournament last week?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

BAC - how many of the following things would have to happen for RU to get left out?

Nova wins the BE tourney
Temple or Cincy win the AAC tourney
Arizona State wins 2 more games
UNC beats UVA.
Clemson beats NC State and then UNC
PSU beats the Illini
Nevada beats Utah State in the MWC finals

I don’t know what the number is, but we definitely are not in if every one of these things were to happen. Obviously unlikely, but I think this is all Brad is really saying. That we need these types of results in the books to firm up the teams near the bubble.

 

[biazza38]

Unc isn’t even in the first 4 out at this point and has no bad losses. Weren’t you the guy who said Rutgers wasn’t making the tournament last week?

I’m confused, are you saying UNC is on the right side of the bubble

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Unc isn’t even in the first 4 out at this point and has no bad losses. Weren’t you the guy who said Rutgers wasn’t making the tournament last week?

I think the committee would put UNC ahead of us with a neutral UVA win. Clean profile. Important game.

 

[FinalFourOrBust_rivals142702]

I’m confused, are you saying UNC is on the right side of the bubble

No they’re def on the wrong side

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

I think the committee would put UNC ahead of us with a neutral UVA win. Clean profile. Important game.

I highly doubt it but @bac2therac knows better

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

it was an elimination game...Michigan was eliminated.

BAC has the math....maybe at 11:59 we were 35% chance with a loss and 90% with a win. I don't think we moved up more than 2 spots. If we lose to Purdue, all things equal, we probably go back to where we were before the Michigan game.

No, no, no.....that's nowhere near reality.

RU was in 80% of brackets BEFORE the start of the day today. Michigan was nowhere to be found starting the day, it was understood before the day started that Michigan needed two wins (today and Purdue) to get back into a range.

Michigan was in the field in THREE of 99 brackets starting the day. One of the 3 was Jerry Palm, which should be another reason to ignore Jerry Palm.....he's a buffoon when it comes to hating on RU.

RU punched it's ticket today.....we didn't back into a 1 point win, we won by 10+ points on a neutral court. I don't know what fans or people are looking at.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

We have many weasel fans on the board but they have no voice. No one outside this board gives a you know what about this message board. He has a voice and if he isn’t all pro Rutgers all the time he is a weasel. We have many who bash coaches and players but it’s ok because emotion is part of being a fan.

 

[RUnTeX]

He's an alum and probably rooting for RU to get in but needs to project the appearance of objectivity/impartiality. It should be a lock with today's win but a couple of other expected outcomes still need to fall in our favor.

 

[Kbee3]

He's an alum and probably rooting for RU to get in but needs to project the appearance of objectivity/impartiality. It should be a lock with today's win but a couple of other expected outcomes still need to fall in our favor.

What's he gonna say tomorrow when we beat Purdue ?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I’m confused, are you saying UNC is on the right side of the bubble

I think they are in with 21 wins and prob not even play in. Could be play in with a loss at 20 wins.

Charleston, NC State, Virginia, Michigan (neutral)

 

[Scangg]

A quad 3 win being your best ooc win is a terrible look

Agreed. That doesn't mean wake stinks. NET around 90 isn't a team that stinks and we absolutely crushed them. That's a good win. It's not amazing and shouldn't be our best OOC win but that doesn't mean they stink

 

[AreYouNUTS]

He's an alum and probably rooting for RU to get in but needs to project the appearance of objectivity/impartiality. It should be a lock with today's win but a couple of other expected outcomes still need to fall in our favor.

This. He’s looking for clicks right now. And there’s a fellow fan of ours arguing with me about it as well (in the tweet thread). Thinks everyone still has us in their “last 4 in” based on last nights projections lol!

 

[FinalFourOrBust_rivals142702]

Agreed. That doesn't mean wake stinks. NET around 90 isn't a team that stinks and we absolutely crushed them. That's a good win. It's not amazing and shouldn't be our best OOC win but that doesn't mean they stink

Yes but it’s not a win that the committee will care about. They’re a middling acc team. Point being Rutgers will most likely be in but there are still teams who can jump us if we lose tomorrow.

 

[G- RUnit]

Yes but it’s not a win that the committee will care about. They’re a middling acc team. Point being Rutgers will most likely be in but there are still teams who can jump us if we lose tomorrow.

Who are these teams jumping RU?
Only one I can see as a possibility is maybe OK State? Who else?

 

[red sail]

I think we are in too based on our body of work. I don’t let these talking heads bother me. They’re all paid to make assumptions and try to attract followers . Like MikeMarc1 said they’re like weather forecasters - sometimes their right, sometimes they’re wrong.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Hawk,

There are schools around the bubble that aren’t Rutgers. There are is a number of teams that can still leap frog Rutgers and get an at large bid (plus bid stealers).

Where you are right is that this wasn’t an elimination game for Rutgers. There was a path of getting in without a win. I honestly don’t know what the probabilities would have been with a RU loss at 2PM. Pretty confident it would have been somewhere between 30-70%

The math really comes down to who is left that can leap frog over RU and what is each teams probability of doing so.

I’d think a UNC that loses in ACC FINAL IS ANEAD OF A RU team that loses tomorrow. That obviously is 1 example.

 

[FinalFourOrBust_rivals142702]

Who are these teams jumping RU?
Only one I can see as a possibility is maybe OK State? Who else?

Miss state (just beat Florida), penn state, unc if they make the finals, arizona state, Oklahoma state, Nevada, utah state, plus any bid stealers that win their conference tournament. Wachtel is almost 100% every year. You think he’s just lying about Rutgers for no reason?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Who are these teams jumping RU?
Only one I can see as a possibility is maybe OK State? Who else?

Read my prior post. Nova can win the BE tourney. Any number of MWC teams not named SDSU or Boise could win that conference. Same for the AAC (sans Houston / Memphis). Nevada and Utah State can potentially get ahead of us with runs to the finals. UNC can jump us with a win or 2. Arizona State too. Plenty of games left.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

RU was in 80% of brackets BEFORE the start of the day today.

Yes, but that is BEFORE a loss would have dropped RU from 5 games over .500 to 4 games over .500.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Oh let me see. The B1G is only getting 7 teams now.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Miss state (just beat Florida), penn state, unc if they make the finals, arizona state, Oklahoma state, Nevada, utah state, plus any bid stealers that win their conference tournament. Wachtel is almost 100% every year. You think he’s just lying about Rutgers for no reason?

We need to pick these school off one by one so 1st
We can get in field of 68

And then hopefully…

Get in field of 64

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Do we care about the Pitt game? If they lose by 30 is there any chance at all we jump them? So hard to compare our resume to theirs.

 

[G- RUnit]

Read my prior post. Nova can win the BE tourney. Any number of MWC teams not named SDSU or Boise could win that conference. Same for the AAC (sans Houston / Memphis). Nevada and Utah State can potentially get ahead of us with runs to the finals. UNC can jump us with a win or 2. Arizona State too. Plenty of games left.

UNC with how many Q1 wins? ASU? They aren’t jumping us on the bubble. They are playing for play in games. PSU has to worry. Maybe Wiscy, Utah State, Clemson. Safely in.

 

[The RUT]

Losing to Purdue shouldn't hurt us at all

Look at the bubble. There really aren't enough teams that can pass us at this point

I'm worried about Villanova stealing a bid from us with a BET run.

They're an extremely talented team and are fully capable of a run here.

 

[biazza38]

Do we care about the Pitt game? If they lose by 30 is there any chance at all we jump them? So hard to compare our resume to theirs.

Pitt losing is a good thing.
Don’t know where they stand though

 

[G- RUnit]

We need to pick these school off one by one so 1st
We can get in field of 68

And then hopefully…

Get in field of 64

How is beating Florida better than RU beating Michigan?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

How is beating Florida better than RU beating Michigan?

It’s not but they were slightly ahead of us before in many brackets.

 

[Mikemarc]

Who cares what he thinks??? Seriously. My word

 

[cyrock3]

How is beating Florida better than RU beating Michigan?

It’s not. It just eliminates MSU from picking up more wins.

 

[G- RUnit]

It’s not. It just eliminates MSU from picking up more wins.

I don’t think MSU is jumping us.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Hawk,

There are schools around the bubble that aren’t Rutgers. There are is a number of teams that can still leap frog Rutgers and get an at large bid (plus bid stealers).

Where you are right is that this wasn’t an elimination game for Rutgers. There was a path of getting in without a win. I honestly don’t know what the probabilities would have been with a RU loss at 2PM. Pretty confident it would have been somewhere between 30-70%

The math really comes down to who is left that can leap frog over RU and what is each teams probability of doing so.

I’d think a UNC that loses in ACC FINAL IS ANEAD OF A RU team that loses tomorrow. That obviously is 1 example.

I think your misunderstanding the process. RU was never the "last team in".

In your scenario, why are all of these teams leapfrogging RU, but not the teams in the same boat??

Unless you are telling me, there will be FIVE or SIX new teams leapfrogging 5 or 6 other teams, there's no logic in that thought process.

RU isn't playing Minnesota or some Q3 school, they're playing.a 1/2 seed in Purdue. For him to say RU has to beat Purdue (after we already beat them on the road), but some random other team leaps ahead based on a neutral court game, is flat out wrong.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I think your misunderstanding the process. RU was never the "last team in".

In your scenario, why are all of these teams leapfrogging RU, but not the teams in the same boat??

Unless you are telling me, there will be FIVE or SIX new teams leapfrogging 5 or 6 other teams, there's no logic in that thought process.

RU isn't playing Minnesota or some Q3 school, they're playing.a 1/2 seed in Purdue. For him to say RU has to beat Purdue (after we already beat them on the road), but some random other team leaps ahead based on a neutral court game, is flat out wrong.

You don’t know that. Lunardi had us and PSU as the last teams in his field before Michigan. Maybe he’s right. Who knows?

 

[littlenis5]

Brad is the 10th most accurate bracketologist in the country over the past 3 years per Bracket Matrix. The people here brushing his insights aside are nonsensical, especially as they’re the ones who hung to his every word last season when he predicted RU was good enough to overcome the bad metrics

 

[G- RUnit]

Not sure at all UNC’s resume even in that scenario is better than RU’s.

 

[Scarlet83]

Haters gonna hate.....!!!

You have to call a spade a spade....and when someone double and triples down, just trying to be "right", your credibility is now shot......

He is a Dooooueueuuooueosssccchhhscheee! Or just dousche. Lol

 

[Briccnerff]

Wow that didn’t take long. From Rutgers most beloved bracketologist, to its most hated. In his defense, he’s mentioned numerous times about injuries. I believe Bac has too. The way the team has played w/o Mag, could drop us a spot. It has caused other teams this in the past. And helped others when players return from injuries.

 

[G- RUnit]

Brad is the 10th most accurate bracketologist in the country over the past 3 years per Bracket Matrix. The people here brushing his insights aside are nonsensical, especially as they’re the ones who hung to his every word last season when he predicted RU was good enough to overcome the bad metrics

I think it’s his sudden change in heart and rationale that has people legitimately questioning him. Looking like a shrill for Michigan and then he was caught off guard with the implications of a dominant RU win.

 

[kcg88]

I like Brad but he is kind of blowing up as a "known" bracketologist and I think he's falling a little bit too in love with giving insta-reaction takes that get social media engagement.