NG if true. This coaching style doesn’t fly these days.
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I’m the biggest Hurley Sr fan there is, but reading about the practice stuff with Copeland is like a page out of what I read and saw with Hurley’s St Ant’s group. With Copeland maybe the apple doesn’t fall far.
Some stuff in the article are things that have happened forever at D-I basketball players. Different times now. Harder for coaches to be old school with players, and the ones who can still get away with it are probably because they are legends and/or recruit a certain profile of kid they think can handle it.
Some stuff in the article are things that have happened forever at D-I basketball players. Different times now. Harder for coaches to be old school with players, and the ones who can still get away with it are probably because they are legends and/or recruit a certain profile of kid they think can handle it.
It doesn’t sound that bad. A little over the top but you can’t coach like that these days
I had coaches like that. In fact, this is in the 60s, we were never allowed to drink any liquids during practice which almost always was at least 2 hours long. And some coaches had us taking salt pills during the practices.
Times have certainly changed.
Times have certainly changed.
Two players falling unconscious from dehydration, with one requiring hospitalization, isn't that bad? As a result of the coach's punitive measure? Mmm-kay...
Thank God for that. I'm all for discipline, but this is dangerous cruelty with absolutely no upside. It has no place in the game.
Pretty awful look for Cope, one of my old favorites. Not good at all.
I had some of the toughest, demanding & nastiest coaches you could imagine in HS. Not one of them ever called any player a p*ssy or any of the other demeaning names mentioned in the article directly to their face. They might have said "You're playing like a p*ssy" but that is a different context in my opinion.
Like a previous poster said, needing water & other liquid hydration was definitely seen as a weakness & discouraged but that was a long time ago. To do so now is pure lunacy.
Like a previous poster said, needing water & other liquid hydration was definitely seen as a weakness & discouraged but that was a long time ago. To do so now is pure lunacy.
Remember this is in the late 60s. The coaches were doing what they thought was best back then. It wasn't punishment and we didn't take it as such. We thought it was helping us with endurance and the salt was giving us that endurance.
What Coupland is accused of doing is not the same.
I know it, but am still grateful they’ve gotten to be a little more enlightened in the time since.
There are two sides to every story, but the Gatorade stuff seems too specific to be a lie. Yelling, bad language, name-calling, etc. doesn’t bother me, but forced dehydration is two or three steps removed from what is even remotely acceptable.
The forced dehydration — which I know used to be a thing — just makes no sense these days for so many reasons. The language and name-calling I buy 100%, because we all know there are so many coaches who still act this way to players to varying degrees. Much harder to do it now though with credibility unless you are Tom Izzo or someone like that.
Completely agree. I played on enough teams when coaches were still mimicking Bobby Knight to know that the water break was a compliance weapon (
), but to the level of more dehydrations? Plural? Crazy.The “forced dehydration” allegations are just wild because (a) we have all the science now supporting the benefits of being hydrated, so why would you want your kids performing under less optimal conditions when there are other ways you can discipline and (b) it’s a potential major liability risk if you have players passing out because of dehydration (as alleged).
The language alleged, as uncouth as it may be, doesn’t surprise me and is definitely more common. Putting aside how coaches like our own beloved PJ were in that respect, how many times last year did we see Sha yelling “why the F would you do that to me”, or “what the F is wrong with you” on the court, visible for everyone to see on TV or hear at the game. And that’s bit behind the closed doors of practice.
The language alleged, as uncouth as it may be, doesn’t surprise me and is definitely more common. Putting aside how coaches like our own beloved PJ were in that respect, how many times last year did we see Sha yelling “why the F would you do that to me”, or “what the F is wrong with you” on the court, visible for everyone to see on TV or hear at the game. And that’s bit behind the closed doors of practice.
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Imagine coaching like this at lowly Wagner? Maybe Sha was on to something in the handshake line…
Sha was upset because he pulled all his regulars in the blowout and had multiple walk-ons on the court while Copeland not only kept his regulars in the game but pressed until the final buzzer.
A major breach of BB etiquette by Copeland and thus the harsh words between the two.
A major breach of BB etiquette by Copeland and thus the harsh words between the two.
I remember that but given the disparity of the programs our subs should be able to compete with Wagner starters and wouldn’t that be valuable game experience for them? Etiquette or not, it was a dumb move by our coach.
Pete, It was players at the very end of the bench. Not just our non regulars. It included multiple walk-ons who hardly ever get on the court. Why would an opposing coach try to embarrass them while pressing them in the backcourt no less?
Plus, the team Copeland had in the game would get no benefit playing against those players.
Pure and simple it was a **** job by Copeland and Holloway had ever right to be pissed. No different than if Sha kept in his starters to embarrass Wagner trying to run up the score explaining...I wanted my team to keep their feet on the gas and learn to play with the lead. I wonder what Copeland would have said under those circumstances?
Terrible BB etiquette .
We had no walk-ons on the court according to the official box score. We played 10 players that day -- all "rotation" guys.
But yes, Brown and Ozdogan were on the floor the last five minutes.
Seton Hall 72-51 Wagner (Nov 18, 2023) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Seton Hall Pirates vs. Wagner Seahawks NCAAM game from November 18, 2023 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
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Both coaches overreacted. Their interaction should have been more civil.
That said down 25 after the last media timeout with the home team having called off the dogs, you don't need to go into overdrive.
It’s a classic example of one of my favorite sports terms: False HustleWe had no walk-ons on the court according to the official box score. We played 10 players that day -- all "rotation" guys.
But yes, Brown and Ozdogan were on the floor the last five minutes.
Seton Hall 72-51 Wagner (Nov 18, 2023) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Seton Hall Pirates vs. Wagner Seahawks NCAAM game from November 18, 2023 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
Both coaches overreacted. Their interaction should have been more civil.
That said down 25 after the last media timeout with the home team having called off the dogs, you don't need to go into overdrive.
Good catch. The game I was referring to was one year sooner where we had multiple walk-ons on the court at game's end against Wagner.
Still my comments do not change.
That’s a fair position. Like you said, it was scholarship players, not walk ons. Over the top for Copeland to press, but Sha could’ve use it as a teaching experience for his bench or put starters back in.We had no walk-ons on the court according to the official box score. We played 10 players that day -- all "rotation" guys.
But yes, Brown and Ozdogan were on the floor the last five minutes.
Seton Hall 72-51 Wagner (Nov 18, 2023) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Seton Hall Pirates vs. Wagner Seahawks NCAAM game from November 18, 2023 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
Both coaches overreacted. Their interaction should have been more civil.
That said down 25 after the last media timeout with the home team having called off the dogs, you don't need to go into overdrive.
Pete, doing that is not fair to the reserves who don't play much. Minutes are a precious reward for those players,
I was not a great admirer of Kevin Willard. But to his credit he did not run up scores and played his reserves whenever possible.
Unfortunately, now it's better to blow out teams which I find disgusting.
I was not a great admirer of Kevin Willard. But to his credit he did not run up scores and played his reserves whenever possible.
Unfortunately, now it's better to blow out teams which I find disgusting.
Quite different, actually. The equivalent would be Sha keeping in his starters against the end of rotation players of a power conference top team or otherwise blue blood (since they're at a level above SHU like SHU is at a level above Wagner).