People do realize there were 3 drops don't they? 8-12 looks way better than 5-12, although having said that, yes, he threw some bad balls, and needs to improve his accuracy, but his running ability is a big part of why KM is running so well, since the defense has to account for GW. Also, his decision-making (on runs and throwing balls away) have been quite good (the MSU pick 6 was Jackson's fault, not Gavin's, while the WI pick 6 was all on Gavin - it happens). Simon might be a better passer, but our running game will suffer if he is in and our running game is largely why we're 6-2 and bowl bound for the first time in 9 years. GW has also thrown a bunch of beautiful throws, too, so it's not like he can't make the throws - he's just inconsistent.
EDIT: Losing because of Wimsatt
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There are 102 D1 QBs who have played at least 6 games in 2023.
Out of those 102, Gavin Wimsatt is ranked #102 in completion percentage (50.2%).
Out of those 102, Gavin Wimsatt is ranked #102 in completion percentage (50.2%).
Keep digging deeper. Maybe you got hit in the head too many times.
Either you did not watch the game or being too shallow to understand what happened. We ran 55 times and passed 12 . They dropped 3-4 of Gavin’s passes , he was terrible on another 4-5. We didn’t even try to pass deep or over the middle like it wasn’t part of the game plan. But when Gavin needed a big passing first down he hit Dremel for it. Then they continued the ground assault
Trying to judge this game by looking at Gavin’s passing stats and ignoring the ground assault is beyond clueless.
Now, you're being vindictive. You're digging deep to justify your hate for Wimsatt. Without Wimsatt running, this team is not 6-2. Simon might be a better passer, but his lack of running would not have prevented Rutgers from winning a game or two. Rutgers is winning because they are playing to their strength. The passing game takes longer to develop, and a lot depends on the play calling, route running, chemistry between the receiver and QB, and the development of the players. Let's not forget Wimsatt is on his 3 OC in his short career. Even Nova struggled under the same circumstance.
Is Wimsatt a solid passer? No, but he has executed the game plan perfectly, resulting in a 6-2 record. You have failed to realize that this team is run first, run second, and pass only to keep teams honest. Wimsatt's total TD to TO ratio is superior to most on that list of FBS top passers, which is critical to our success. Throwing for 10,000 yards but 30 INTs defeats any chance of winning in most cases. But hey, that doesn't matter when you completely dislike someone. Why can't you enjoy the win and the season as a whole? Unless you're not really a Rutgers fan. That is possible as we see more fake fans on this site because they can't fathom the fact that Rutgers may be better than their real team. Rutgers has a way of bringing the worst out of haters.
I'm trying to understand the train of thought...so the sentiment is that Ru can't beat good teams with Gavin at QB...I'm assuming you guys are referring to Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State? But when has Rutgers ever been able to beat those teams? complaining about not being able to compete with the big 3 in a year the team has made significant progress seems like some folks are just sour that the guy they want to start isn't starting...petty and emotionally vulnerable posters getting their rocks off on the message board ..go and hold your wives before you lose them in addition to your minds...
If I counted right on an ESPN stat page, Wimsatt is the #15 QB in rushing yardage and tied for 4th for QB rushing touchdowns. Put that in your calculator. This is a well-coached offense playing to its strengths this year to win games. Remember our #1 WR from the opener hasn't returned from injury, and the other WR we hoped would be our top guy is in the NCAA portal waiting room.
If I hear these same guys talk about completion % again…we all know his % sucks.
We also know this kid is making great decisions based on the coaches game plan which has gotten us bowl eligible before Halloween. Kid has a 14/4 TD/TO ratio. He has 400 yds on the ground.
I wish he had a 65% passing and 2500 yds to go with the rest of it but we also don’t have another QB right now that would have us at 6 wins.
Don't know if you missed it but he claims to be a former RU football player in this thread. I called BS on that post because most RU athletes carry themselves much differently and he has a long history of toxicity on these boards.
A player with over 140 yards and 3 touchdowns is not in the category of-"they are winning in spite of"
Add to that he seems like a positive character person which is important in every game and practice.
Add to that he seems like a positive character person which is important in every game and practice.
I have noticed that a few ex players post in different ways. A couple of them, you know who they are and they will always post respectfully. Even when upset. Others, keep their identity quiet and also keep it respectful. Some will be very critical and some more with scarlet glasses. But almost all posts do respect tgat even if a player fails, they post knowing how difficult it is out there.
Thanks Doug, good analysis. people just like to kill the kid. Had 143 yards yesterday. Team is 6-2.
Watched the entire game.
Why did we run 55 times and only throw 12?
Why didn't we even try to pass deep or over the middle?
Is sounds like you are agreeing that HC Schiano and OC KC built a game plan to minimize and freeze out the passing offense as most as possible.
That sounds alot like "attempting to win depsite our passing offense".
Does saying "win despite our passing offense" sound better?
Is it simpler to understand?
Nobody has said a negative thing about QB running.
It was great yesterday.
Nobody is saying it wasn't.
Is it simpler to understand?
Nobody has said a negative thing about QB running.
It was great yesterday.
Nobody is saying it wasn't.
You didn't get hit in the head enough, but you did hit the nail on the head.
In football, military operations, and business, successful leaders and teams play to the strengths of their team-they do not follow a formula for success. Leaders recognize and isolate weaknesses of key team members and leverage other parts of the team to compensate. It is so simple, yet sol elusive for many people.
Sure to your first line, if that's what the OP (and others had said). Look at the thread title. It craps all over Wimsatt. Nobody said a negative thing about QB running, because many were crapping all over his passing. So, totally disagree with your last line. Here's the OP:
1. He is a soft tosser? Wrong! Many criticize him for throwing fastballs when a soft touch is called for. So which one is it?
2. Consistently inaccurate-OK, that may be true. And that's why RU went with the running game.
3. Again with the answer is on the bench--and on the bench in high school when not even signed yet. Priceless!!!
You watched the entire game and didn't see passes over the middle? Like half of his passes were the over the middle variety.
So- someone make an effort...because I did. Look at our QB's throughout our history and find me the QB, who in their 2nd year of eligibility, did any better that GW is doing now. The only one, may have been Nova but he also had a ton of TO's.
McMahon, Lucas, Teel, Nova - all of them...
I'll wait
McMahon, Lucas, Teel, Nova - all of them...
I'll wait
Oh I was quoting the expert analysis from the prior post. That was their words I was just repeating.
As for gameplan in the Indiana game. Sure, Coaches know that GW is not a 20-30 300 yd 3 TD Passer in 2023. So- why would they want him to throw it 30 times in a game we can dominate 90% on the ground?
Indiana has a piss poor offense. Their run game sucks and their passing sucks. They are back and forth on QB's and their defense can't stop a good running game.
After the first couple of drives- coaches realized that we just never have to throw the ball in this game.
GS has 1 single goal each game- win. Could you imagine if he decided to put it in the air 25 times when Indiana could not stop the run? This game was about them realizing their QB sucked and they really could do much against us. So- the plan became, just do not let them touch the ball.
Interesting thing about going forward as well. Against Iowa - we lead them in almost every category except they give up 1 less point per game. But we outscore them by almost 10. We get 100 more yds per game ad TOP is very much in our favor. We give up both, less rushing yards and less passing yards.
It seems that we do the same on them. Take a couple of series and see if they can either run or pass on us. And do the same on our side. If we find we are winning the OL/DL battle- we may go for 40+ rushes and control the clock as Iowa does not seem to have any real game breakers. - This game may be won by the clock and who makes a mistake
We may also find the OSU game to be similar to their PSU game. Not that high scoring.
Indiana has a piss poor offense. Their run game sucks and their passing sucks. They are back and forth on QB's and their defense can't stop a good running game.
After the first couple of drives- coaches realized that we just never have to throw the ball in this game.
GS has 1 single goal each game- win. Could you imagine if he decided to put it in the air 25 times when Indiana could not stop the run? This game was about them realizing their QB sucked and they really could do much against us. So- the plan became, just do not let them touch the ball.
Interesting thing about going forward as well. Against Iowa - we lead them in almost every category except they give up 1 less point per game. But we outscore them by almost 10. We get 100 more yds per game ad TOP is very much in our favor. We give up both, less rushing yards and less passing yards.
It seems that we do the same on them. Take a couple of series and see if they can either run or pass on us. And do the same on our side. If we find we are winning the OL/DL battle- we may go for 40+ rushes and control the clock as Iowa does not seem to have any real game breakers. - This game may be won by the clock and who makes a mistake
We may also find the OSU game to be similar to their PSU game. Not that high scoring.
The thing is...if Gavin was what these guys think he should be as far as passing the ball he'd be a top 5 pick in the NFL draft. 6-4 QB, 4.4-4.6 40 yard dash, strong arm, accurate, good decision maker, makes defenders miss in and out of the pocket ..thing is, only thing he's missing from that recipe is the accuracy. But these guys can't be patient and see if the coaches can bring that out of him. They want to let themselves be known on the message boards and troll because things don't look how they imagined them in their heads...
I'm also thinking they are the same guys who did not believe GW could be a winning QB in the B1G during the off season.
It's them, doubling down, letting it be known that they are unhappy despite the turn around and victories...
I will be honest- prior to the season...I had doubts if GS 2.0 was ever going to get us to take the next big step or will it always be a rebuilding year. and next, based on last year- did GS make a huge mistake by skipping a QB recruiting cycle, as I did not feel GW could succeed.
But, I also made it very clear- this was the year I wanted to see both.
So far- they have both made me super happy. The coaching staff Greg brought in now looks like a top 10 type of staff. Who gets a 2x SB OL coach to come here to coach at Rutgers? And the eye ball test has been passed, this team/program- regardless of the next few games- has made that jump.
GW, he has proven he can win. He makes mistakes but I can't wait to see what he comes over the next 2 years. Touch and accuracy are 2 things that can improve. But the game has slowed down for him and he makes great decisions. And there are glimpses of his throwing ability. And the what if? We do not have who were thought to be our 2 top WR's playing.
High School OC and claims to be an ex Rutgers football player? Nothing wrong with a negative critique but this speaks volumes . It also tells me that sometimes it’s best to ignore stupidity by some posters . Great day for RU and us fans. Let’s get as healthy as possible and play your asses off against Ohio State%
Total QBR is a much better indicator of how a QB performs. GW is ranked 54th in nation. As a passer he is rated 101st, runner 16th and sack avoidance he is 23rd.
His QBR for yesterday was 87.1 which means he had one of the best days in the nation...13th best in fact.
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Or some ex Rutgers football player who for whatever reason believes others never played team sports, coached, or just by accident understand the intricacies of throwing a football and what constitutes a “ powerful” throwing arm.
Then you like looking at things in a vacuum. Last week against MSU Gavin threw passes over the middle for the first time all year and hit 5-6 huge chunk plays. He threw 8-9 really good passes that moved the ball downfield that they felt were needed. Yesterday , it was clear Kirk thought as long as we didn’t turn the ball over , he could run it down Indiana ‘s throat with Kyle and Gavin and win comfortably and he was correct. Believe me , when he was running Gavin in the second quarter on 3rd and 6 and come up short 2 times causing punts , I was not happy. But it was obvious that was the game plan and Gavin’s passing was not part of the plan. If you didn’t see Gavin ‘s passing against Michigan and Michigan State and how good it was and how it was used to try to win the game , then you wouldn’t say he went away from the passing game because of Gavin. You would say he did it because he thought he could win comfortably and he was deep right.
Maybe you'll recall better because of your son being on the team but were they holding the playbook to a minimum with Nova like they seem to be with GW?
IIRC Nova had the green light to throw anywhere and with his ultra confident demeanor tried to fit balls into very tight windows at times. GW doesn't seem to be allowed to do that at all.
Nova had a lot of tipped balls and wrong routes result in INTs but no one looks at that aspect and just blindly posts exactly what you just posted as though it was all on him every time...lol.
I didn't say it was on him every time that's a strawman.
When you give the QB more leeway to make riskier plays, it can cost you with turnovers. That's my point.
Listen I'm as guilty & frustrated as anyone and post dumb things as well but at the end of the day these dudes are busting their asses to play a sport and all sports for that matter in college that only what 7% of all high school students play at all levels of college and 1% D1A. If it was easy there would be a whole lot more people doing it. They are at the top of the mountain going downhill now. Will there be down years yes but the hard part is done BUYING IN
We have a very young, very talented QB who:
* does not turn the ball over,
* does not seem overwhelmed/the game is not too fast for him,
* plays in control,
* makes good decisions,
* executes the game plan well
* is a very good runner and is a threat to take it to the house on every play (which means the other defense needs to account for his legs on every play - that undoubtedly opens things up)
* in most of those aspects (playing in control, game not being too fast, making good decisions) he has unquestionably made HUGE STRIDES since last year. HUGE. If you don’t see it then you’re just willfully ignoring it. I don’t know what to tell you.
We are 6-2 having beaten EVERY team we “should” beat and EVERY team we “could” beat (except arguably Wisconsin)
We are bowl eligible before Halloween
…but the QB certainly needs to work on accuracy
You tell me the above in august and I would take it in a friggin heartbeat!
Yeah let’s take him out now and put Simon in. Totally asinine.
* does not turn the ball over,
* does not seem overwhelmed/the game is not too fast for him,
* plays in control,
* makes good decisions,
* executes the game plan well
* is a very good runner and is a threat to take it to the house on every play (which means the other defense needs to account for his legs on every play - that undoubtedly opens things up)
* in most of those aspects (playing in control, game not being too fast, making good decisions) he has unquestionably made HUGE STRIDES since last year. HUGE. If you don’t see it then you’re just willfully ignoring it. I don’t know what to tell you.
We are 6-2 having beaten EVERY team we “should” beat and EVERY team we “could” beat (except arguably Wisconsin)
We are bowl eligible before Halloween
…but the QB certainly needs to work on accuracy
You tell me the above in august and I would take it in a friggin heartbeat!
Yeah let’s take him out now and put Simon in. Totally asinine.