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FlabLoser

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Outback Steakhouse (spit) and Academy Sports are moving to Flowood.

I-55 is lined with noname brand hotels.

Can't believe Whole Foods is building over there.

County Line doesn't seem bad. But with retail bailing out of there left & right, it's only a matter of time.
 

coach66

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Uh, County line is ok in the daylight hours I wouldn't press my luck past that.

Got to keep apartments and low income housing out of Madison and Gluckstadt. If that area falls then I'm gone.
 

Philly Dawg

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Part of this is the simple progression of urban sprawl. Without creative urban planning, retail areas have a life expectancy. I hope Jackson and Ridgeland are able to come up with a plan for that area.

Whole Foods isn't a traditional mall (i.e. Northpark) or strip mall (i.e. Flowood) type retailer and makes perfect sense for Jackson at the place its being built if you stop and think about what their core demographic customer is.
 

gdogg

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If you are not living in this area you probably missed the news about the murder of a B.A.S.S. angler at the Motel 6 on I-55 North.
Guy was in town to fish the tournament at the Rez this weekend, Sunday night heard someone outside trying to steal the stuff on his boat, went out there and the thug shot him in the face.
 

Thrl595

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You have some morons always try to argue that Jackson is "ok" and that things aren't "that bad". Just admit it - Jackson is a ********.
 

JacksonDevilDog

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The people that say that Jackson isn't bad are the same people think that Pyongyang, North Korea is a nice travelers destination.
 
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Total shitbox. Anybody who says differently is a liar. I understand my lot in life, and I've come to accept that I'll probably never get out of this god-forsaken town.

With that said, there are a lot of good people here. It doesn't matter if you live in Malibu or Bangladesh. If you can't find happiness right where you are, the environment isn't going to change that.

Signed,

Jackson Resident
 

jb1020

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Pockets of Jackson are ok...

for three types of people.

People under 30 without kids.

People with kids who have a household income of $200k+ to pay for JA or Prep.

And people with kids who have parents that pay for all this stuff.

But these are small pockets. The city of Jackson doesn't even have a Wal Mart anymore does it?

Signed,

Former Fondren resident that put a for sale sign in the yard within 12 hours of finding out my wife was pregnant.
 

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I don't think any of it is. I hear a lot of good people live in Eastover, but damn, you still have to ride down Ridgewood to get there. I thought I was in South Central riding through there. It was amazing to me to see a huge house on a corner with Ole Miss flags and SUVs everywhere then across the road it looked like Boyz in the Hood. JA looks like it's guarded by the National Guard, all boarded up with fences and ****. F*CK living that way. You guys must really love Jackson.

I've never been to the Fondren area. Maybe that area is nice. I wouldn't chance it though.
 

KurtRambis4

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I ride

up and down ridgewood all of the time. I don't live to far from there, and I can honestly say nothing has ever given me a "Boyz in the Hood" feel.
 
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fishwater99

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Outback Steakhouse (spit) and Academy Sports are moving to Flowood.

I-55 is lined with noname brand hotels.

Can't believe Whole Foods is building over there.

County Line doesn't seem bad. But with retail bailing out of there left & right, it's only a matter of time.


Whole Foods is building where the money is... You ever hear of Eastover? The nicest neighborhood the State of MS..

Jackson has it's crime, like most larger cities. It does have some bad area's, but it also has some nice areas.
Eastover, Leftover, Belhaven and Fondren are all great neighborhoods.
Fondren is hopping with new developments and Belhaven is coming along with the new Baptist development and Fortification..
Capital Street is being redone and you should see a resurgence downtown once it is completed. It's happening.
Crime is moving to the suburbs too, Madison, Ridgeland, and Rankin county are not immune and it gets worse every year.
Jackson is not that bad, I live here and I am proud to call it home and will do what I can to make the city a better place to work and live.
You can't just run away from crime, unless you build a compound in the country and put up razor wire..
 
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futaba.79

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when I see people.........

standing around in their yard, talking, listening to music and having a good time, I don't immediately think "Boyz in the Hood." But that's just me.
 

fishwater99

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We have a compound, just no razor wire yet....

I even caught some Meth-heads last year stealing old metal farm supplies while deer hunting last year.
I was on a deer stand in a CRP field and called my dad to go and investigate. I almost shot at them with a .308, but didn't.
 
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KurtRambis4

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Dude

you're kidding yourself. Face it. I live there, and yes there are some nice restaurants and bars. I even enjoy living there. However, Jackson is a shitbox.
 

dawgstudent

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I think Jackson between from around old canton (all the way to county line) and downtown are just like any other decent MS city. There are other parts of Jackson which bring it down.

The problem is kids. You can't afford multiple children unless you bring in 150K, have grandparents willing to help with tuition, or are willing to sacrifice tremendously.
 
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I live close to Eastover in Leftover. In the past year I can rattle off at least 3 people I know of, excluding myself, who have been broken into, two places within a half of a mile of my house where people have been held up at gunpoint, and one house where someone got shot. There are no more "pockets."
 

chew1095

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I am Jackson resident, married with two children, and I would not want to live anywhere else. I am also not one of those Jackson residents that bash the suburbs, simply for the sake of bashing the suburbs. People have different needs, values, expectations, and desires and I believe the suburbs provide a viable product for those that chose to live there.

Having said that, many suburban areas throughout the United States are completely ignoring a very real shift in housing demand. These areas, which are already largely overbuilt, are continuing to allow new construction at an alarming rate. There is a considerable amount of research and census data that shows the number of people moving into the suburbs is actually decreasing for the first time in 50 years. (See the below article.)

http://www.nwitimes.com/lifestyles/...cle_06860ab0-ef92-5c44-a05a-ef5aafef0143.html

Also, there is a signficaint shift in how and where people shop. Massive strip centers largely populated by big box retail are becomming a thing of the past. While many suburban areas fought for years to attract this type of development, few are doing anything to consider what will happen when a big box retailer soon will only need a couple of thousand s/f as opposed to 30,000 to 125,000 s/f.

As to the question of whether Jackson has a Wal Mart, I believe there is one on Highway 18 heading towards Raymond that is technically in the city limits. However, let's not necessarily hang our prosperity hat on the presence of a Wal Mart.

A study undertaken by the Penn State Center for Economic and Community Development found: The presence of a Wal-Mart store hinders a community’s ability to move families out of poverty. After controlling for other factors that influence poverty rates, the study found that U.S. counties that had more Wal-Mart stores in 1987 had a higher poverty rate in 1999 than did counties that started the period with fewer or no Wal-Mart stores. The study also found that counties that added Wal-Mart stores between 1987 and 1998 experienced higher poverty rates and greater usage of food stamps than counties where Wal-Mart did not build, all other things being equal. Although the study does not attempt to draw a conclusion about why Wal-Mart expands poverty, the study’s authors suggest several possible factors, including a loss of social capital that occurs when locally owned businesses close and the shift from comparatively better paying jobs at independent retailers to lower paying jobs at Wal-Mart.
 
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Jackson still has a Walmart on hwy18 in South in Jackson. Whole Foods built there because their base lives there. Fondren is where the white liberals live. They can now hang out in whole foods eating arugala and telling each other how much they love Obama.
 

msu4life07

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Resident of Jackson here

I'm a resident of Jackson, currently typing this from my downtown office, and eating delicious pizza from 904 (Basil's). Right now, Jackson works for us and we enjoy it. We were able to buy (barely) a nice house in Belhaven because we got a good deal on it (houses in Belhaven are not cheap). My wife is in med school at UMMC and I work close by, so it's a perfect place for us. Are the roads ****? Yes. Is there crime? You bet. Do I know a girl who was held at gunpoint in Belhaven Heights? I do. But those "pockets" - Belhaven, Fondren, and NE Jackson - certainly do still exist.

Compared to Birmingham, Little Rock, and other cities in the south, Jackson is far behind... but it's not a complete ********. Now, will we live here in 3 or 4 years? Doubtful. But for someone in their mid 20s it's not a bad place.

Signed,
Born in Clinton and never thought I'd live in Jackson.
 

jb1020

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In the last 3 month I lived in Fondren

a runner was mugged for his ipod just after dark right outside my house.

my neighbor 2 doors down was mugged while washing his car in his front yard on Sunday afternoon.

and we went one night to The Auditorium for dinner and our waiter came out and asked us if we were driving a certian car because 3 cars in the parking lot had just been broken into.

That was kind of the tipping point for us...and we lived in what we thought was a pretty decent part of Fondren. It were east of State St.
 

civildawg88

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I lived in Fondren for a year and my roommate left his car unlocked ONE night out of 365 and stuff in his car was stolen. That's not a coincidence. That means that most likely some thug would check all the cars parked on the street every night to see if someone accidentally left their door unlocked.

JPD just doesnt give a ****, that's the bad part.
 

FlabLoser

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Whole Foods is building where the money is... You ever hear of Eastover? The nicest neighborhood the State of MS..

Jackson has it's crime, like most larger cities. It does have some bad area's, but it also has some nice areas.
Eastover, Leftover, Belhaven and Fondren are all great neighborhoods.
Fondren is hopping with new developments and Belhaven is coming along with the new Baptist development and Fortification..
Capital Street is being redone and you should see a resurgence downtown once it is completed. It's happening.
Crime is moving to the suburbs too, Madison, Ridgeland, and Rankin county are not immune and it gets worse every year.
Jackson is not that bad, I live here and I am proud to call it home and will do what I can to make the city a better place to work and live.
You can't just run away from crime, unless you build a compound in the country and put up razor wire..


Fondren is awesome. I enjoy going there from time to time. If I were young and single, I'd definitely live there. But I wouldn't make any big investments there.
 

FlabLoser

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A study undertaken by the Penn State Center for Economic and Community Development found: The presence of a Wal-Mart store hinders a community’s ability to move families out of poverty. After controlling for other factors that influence poverty rates, the study found that U.S. counties that had more Wal-Mart stores in 1987 had a higher poverty rate in 1999 than did counties that started the period with fewer or no Wal-Mart stores. The study also found that counties that added Wal-Mart stores between 1987 and 1998 experienced higher poverty rates and greater usage of food stamps than counties where Wal-Mart did not build, all other things being equal. Although the study does not attempt to draw a conclusion about why Wal-Mart expands poverty, the study’s authors suggest several possible factors, including a loss of social capital that occurs when locally owned businesses close and the shift from comparatively better paying jobs at independent retailers to lower paying jobs at Wal-Mart.


It is an absolute fact that drownings and ice cream consumption both increase during the summer. We must ban ice cream.
 

coach66

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To me the big difference is the apprenhision and then punishment of criminals.

In Madison, Flowood, Brandon etc. If you pull a gun in those cities hell is gonna come down on your head so fast it will make your head spin. Once they get through getting you prepared to stand trial that is when the real punishment gets handed down. Criminal don't find this to be a friendly environment*.
 

fishwater99

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you're kidding yourself. Face it. I live there, and yes there are some nice restaurants and bars. I even enjoy living there. However, Jackson is a shitbox.

Would you say New Orleans is a shitbox too? I have lived there also and crime is way worse than in Jackson...
 

dawgstudent

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I would say Jackson and New Orleans are similar as far as public schools and crime. Same with Memphis.

Just Memphis and New Orleans have nice downtowns with professional teams.
 

kendrickjohnson

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JPD just doesnt give a ****, that's the bad part.

I was a huge Lumumba basher during the election, but it seems he has done a good job in hiring a more competent and respected chief of police. At least there seem to be some people in the department now motivated to catch criminals (http://kingfish1935.blogspot.com/2013/10/da-jpd-grab-several-thugs.html).

Is there crime in Jackson? Yes. Is there more crime in Jackson than Madison or Rankin County? Of course. But Belhaven, Fondren, and most everything East of 55 isn't Mogadishu like some people make it out to be. There is crime everywhere, including Madison and Ridgeland.

The biggest negative to the continued progress and improvement of Jackson is the abysmal school system. Maybe the charter schools will improve things, but for now if you live there, you accept your kids are going to private school. Yes it is a sacrifice for many, but many consider it worthwhile since the education from a St. Andrew's/JA/Prep is better than you can get from any public school in this state.

The "I'm afraid to go to Jackson" or "Jackson is inherently dangerous" statements are a self-fulfilling prophesy. If everyone thinks like that and moves out, yes it will get worse. The rampant urban sprawl happening in Madison and Rankin counties only adds fuel to this fire. Parts of Jackson are dangerous, not all of it.
 
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