FLO Rankings 12-9-2025 Ohio State #1

Feb 6, 2018
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There are two schools of though re: rankings.

1). Flo and others approach - what have you done for me lately. Ignore past acholades, petigre, freestyle results, world medals and basically what everyone expects you to do, and focus almost entirely on what you what a wrestler has earned recently and at the same level. It would fare better in the scripting of an audit and claims to weed out subjectivity. Guys like Duke and Blaze have to slowly earn their way up the rankings. It's the most defensible way of tracking, but ultimately is of little value and doesn't have much staying power week to week, month to month. It's click bait early in the season. At the end of the day a computer program can do the same, and the value of the author is far more insignificant that the debate gives credit. Ultimately, Flo really doesn't have much of a real 'opinion' here.

When you have something like PSU as a team 3rd or PJ lower than AA, what is really being said. Answer - not much of anything. Then by March the rankings are pretty darned accurate, but there is an element of either no **** or who cares by then, as they are telling us what we already know

2). The Crystal Ball approach which is a blend of objectivity and subjectivity. Rank a wrestler based both upon the full body of work, all results are considered (highschool, freestyle, etc...) and expert opinion. The eye test is important and one match aberrations, upsets or illness can be ignored if the expert chooses to do so. In the end it projects a prediction of where one sees the result in March. This too can be click bait, but I much prefer crystal ball rankings, as the author puts his expertise and judgement on the line for scrutiny and debate.
 

HikeNatParks

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May 12, 2023
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All this frivolous talk of rankings, replacing Cole, and fattening Nate moved the clock so fast that I now take the blinders off and see Iowa only a month away. How downright merry is that? ;)
 

SkiSkiSki

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May 29, 2001
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You can duck in December, you can't duck in March.
Perhaps if you are a borderline qualifier ducking in December makes sense to help your chances to make the tournament by having one less loss, but if you are a tournament shoe in, I would think the lower ranked wrestler would not want to duck to be able to get a feel for the higher ranked wrestler before seeing them in the matches that matter -- in the conference and/or NCAA tournaments. Obviously, some coaches don't feel that way. I don't get it, but that is why I am only at a keyboard I guess.
 

NittanyChris

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Dec 3, 2001
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The whole "rankings are not predictions" line of defense from Flo is utterly ludicrous. Rankings are inherently subjective. There is no equal schedule, common opponents, etc, to allow one to accurately rank based solely on what is accomplished this year only. Judgment HAS to come into play, whether they want to admit it or not. Once that is acknowledged their "rankings" become even more absurd. Anyone with half a brain and even a rudimentary knowledge of wrestling knows that there are not 10 wrestlers at 157 better than PJ Duke. Come on.
 
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PSUbluTX

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Feb 7, 2018
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This board whines about Flo’s (meaningless) rankings last week and Flo gleefully responds this week with:

kick in nuts GIF
 
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JoeBagobagels

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Jun 24, 2025
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There are two schools of though re: rankings.

1). Flo and others approach - what have you done for me lately. Ignore past acholades, petigre, freestyle results, world medals and basically what everyone expects you to do, and focus almost entirely on what you what a wrestler has earned recently and at the same level. It would fare better in the scripting of an audit and claims to weed out subjectivity. Guys like Duke and Blaze have to slowly earn their way up the rankings. It's the most defensible way of tracking, but ultimately is of little value and doesn't have much staying power week to week, month to month. It's click bait early in the season. At the end of the day a computer program can do the same, and the value of the author is far more insignificant that the debate gives credit. Ultimately, Flo really doesn't have much of a real 'opinion' here.

When you have something like PSU as a team 3rd or PJ lower than AA, what is really being said. Answer - not much of anything. Then by March the rankings are pretty darned accurate, but there is an element of either no **** or who cares by then, as they are telling us what we already know

2). The Crystal Ball approach which is a blend of objectivity and subjectivity. Rank a wrestler based both upon the full body of work, all results are considered (highschool, freestyle, etc...) and expert opinion. The eye test is important and one match aberrations, upsets or illness can be ignored if the expert chooses to do so. In the end it projects a prediction of where one sees the result in March. This too can be click bait, but I much prefer crystal ball rankings, as the author puts his expertise and judgement on the line for scrutiny and debate.
With the crystal ball approach you can still extrapolate fairly well. Look at Duke? stellar high school career, monster international success in freestyle, wins a wrestle off I assume over a two time 3rd place winner, and gains the starting nod and has 5 pins in six starts with the other being a medical forfeit.


If you can't make a solid pick from that you're what this guy said:

 
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ClarkstonMark

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May 23, 2002
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With the crystal ball approach you can still extrapolate fairly well. Look at Duke? stellar high school career, monster international success in freestyle, wins a wrestle off I assume over a two time 3rd place winner, and gains the starting nod and has 5 pins in six starts with the other being a medical forfeit.


If you can't make a solid pick from that you're what this guy said:


has anyone actually heard that there was a wrestle-off between Kasak and Duke?
 
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The whole "rankings are not predictions" line of defense from Flo is utterly ludicrous. Rankings are inherently subjective. There is no equal schedule, common opponents, etc, to allow one to accurately rank based solely on what is accomplished this year only. Judgment HAS to come into play, whether they want to admit it or not. Once that is acknowledged their "rankings" become even more absurd. Anyone with half a brain and even a rudimentary knowledge of wrestling knows that there are not 10 wrestlers at 157 better than PJ Duke. Come on.
 

Random4598375

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Jan 10, 2020
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Ty, I just love good wrestling. Yeah my ole Hawks aren't quite there at this point. I'm a big college fan but also a huge World fan. When the Lions wrestle the Hawks you know who I'm for. Lol
When the Lions and any team USA wrestler goes on the World stage, I'm a Huge fan!
Yeah, same here. I still love to poke fun at Spencer's mom's glasses, but when Spencer has the USA singlet on, I'm 100% behind him.
 

RBOld

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Jul 13, 2022
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The stupid thing is that even if you just go with the ten guys starting now and assume Barr is out for the year and Desmond is going 141 this team still wins the title in a walk. Ranking while not using your eyes or any common sense is stupid. In what world is Blaze the 8th best 133 and Duke the 11th best at 157?
 

trufan

Sophomore
Nov 16, 2025
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Maybe Flo is polling the Big Ten+ broadcasters to derive their rankings.
After all, these guys get a good view of all the action.
 

PSUbluTX

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Feb 7, 2018
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Love it! Has the origin story ever been told regarding the feud between Matter and Rutgers? 😀

Something about Rutgers yanking his season tickets after getting in a tussle with both Nick Suriano’s dad and that old Ban_Basketball guy. Apparently it all happened on a handsome Tuesday, whatever that is.

It didn’t help that Matter persistently heckled Goodale by yelling “BOOM!!!” each time one of his wrestlers lost a match Matter thought they should win.

Or something to that effect.
 

RockySmith

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What Flo has done, by design, is to create a ranking system where everyone jumps on their website each week and says, “what are the rankings now, based on new matches wrestled this week.” If you owned the company, you would probably do the same thing, since it generates traffic and discussion.

if Flo ranked the teams as we all think they might be in March, there would be no incentive for anyone to look at them more than once or twice a season, and no one would discuss them.