George Kurtz

[SPK145]

Is buying 5% of Mercedes’ F1 team for $300 million.

Toto Wolff in talks to sell stake valuing Mercedes at $6bn - sources

Toto Wolff is in advanced talks to sell part of his stake in Mercedes which would put its overall valuation around £4.6 billion, sources have told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[lloyde dobler]

Not bad for a guy from Parsippany

 

[Piratz]

That could’ve been our NIL!!

 

[VegasPJ1]

That could’ve been our NIL!!

He’s NIL[ing] a real professional team and not a wannabe pro team.

 

[hallwins]

Maybe we get an F1 patch on our jerseys or bball court soon?

 

[Running_SHU]

Maybe those F1 earnings go to our NIL. One can hope!

 

[Halldan]

He’s NIL[ing] a real professional team and not a wannabe pro team.

I don't know what happened to you but your posts are nothing but annoying. Balance what you say and stop posting 100% negative comments!

 

[King of S]

He’s NIL[ing] a real professional team and not a wannabe pro team.

Too much time in the Vegas sun PJ.

 

[shu09]

I don't know what happened to you but your posts are nothing but annoying. Balance what you say and stop posting 100% negative comments!

It's not negative, it's factual.

 

[batts]

It's not negative, it's factual.

So annoying.

 

[VegasPJ1]

To borrow a line from a great movie “you can’t handle the truth”. My apologies.

 

[Halldan]

The complaint is legitimate. It has nothing to do with one post, or two posts maybe even three posts. But when every post is nothing but criticism that's a pattern with an agenda and no credibility.

And I say the same to SHU09 who 'likes' all similar posts despite being a knowledgeable poster. You do the exact same thing.

When have either of you had anything positive to say about the school you supposedly support?

 

[shu09]

The complaint is legitimate. It has nothing to do with one post, or two posts maybe even three posts. But when every post is nothing but criticism that's a pattern with an agenda and no credibility.

And I say the same to SHU09 who 'likes' all similar posts despite being a knowledgeable poster. You do the exact same thing.

When have either of you had anything positive to say about the school you supposedly support?

Tough to say anything positive when the team is coming off 2-18 and the coach is a complete and total joke after taking just 3 short years to demolish a program that had decent success under the previous coach. Additionally, the system is completely broken. It is no longer true college basketball. This is minor league professional sports, which I have no desire to waste my time on.

You're all welcome to keep propping up this charade. I have chosen not to. This is not the sport or team I spent almost a quarter century supporting. VegasPJ is simply calling it as it is.

 

[VegasPJ1]

No agenda. As to credibility, a ‘68 grad, student athlete, supported team at most games at Walsh & Meadowlands when I lived outside Hartford, Ct. until ‘84. Oh, and I volunteered scouting opponents and recruiting for both RAF & Hoddy (John Sealey for one). Also played AAU ball & coached for years. So I have meager b-ball knowledge.

Until Nil, most of my posts were positive unless a situation dictated otherwise, which was rare. Was proud of our student athletes, several of whom I’m friends with. My posts have rarely been negative about any player unless it involved something unsportsmanlike. I was critical of PJ for his treatment of players on and off the court, but not his coaching or game prep. That was obvious to most, but I learned a lot from his players! Don’t believe I negatively posted about Sha’s coaching, I may have about his yelling at his players. If I didn’t, I should have.

NIL changed all that. It changed the “team” concept. No longer is the goal to win, represent SH and graduate. Now it’s “show me the $$” for a season & move on. If SH wants to pretend it’s still a major b-ball school fine. It’s not and probably never will be again. (Hope I’m wrong) That’s why it’s difficult to post anything positive other than “yahoo we beat a team that can’t even match our payments to players”. Participation trophies/posts are now in vogue. That will change shortly when SH starts playing vs the “big boys” and reality sets in. Sorry if the truth hurts and some are offended by it. I’ll let this season speak for itself.

 

[lloyde dobler]

Your John Sealey connection is well-documented. I’ve been waiting for you to bring it up again. By why say the same thing over and over about the current season? And over again some more?

I think everyone here knows your feelings. We’ve been clubbed over our heads repeatedly by them. We know SHU’s position and what lies ahead this season. So is there really a need to say the same thing over and over and over?

 

[Seton75]

the bride may have fats legs but no need to mention it in every concersation at the reception.. nil stinks, and last season so did our team we all know that without being reminded every ten minutes

 

[The Crows Nest]

No agenda. As to credibility, a ‘68 grad, student athlete, supported team at most games at Walsh & Meadowlands when I lived outside Hartford, Ct. until ‘84. Oh, and I volunteered scouting opponents and recruiting for both RAF & Hoddy (John Sealey for one). Also played AAU ball & coached for years. So I have meager b-ball knowledge.

Until Nil, most of my posts were positive unless a situation dictated otherwise, which was rare. Was proud of our student athletes, several of whom I’m friends with. My posts have rarely been negative about any player unless it involved something unsportsmanlike. I was critical of PJ for his treatment of players on and off the court, but not his coaching or game prep. That was obvious to most, but I learned a lot from his players! Don’t believe I negatively posted about Sha’s coaching, I may have about his yelling at his players. If I didn’t, I should have.

NIL changed all that. It changed the “team” concept. No longer is the goal to win, represent SH and graduate. Now it’s “show me the $$” for a season & move on. If SH wants to pretend it’s still a major b-ball school fine. It’s not and probably never will be again. (Hope I’m wrong) That’s why it’s difficult to post anything positive other than “yahoo we beat a team that can’t even match our payments to players”. Participation trophies/posts are now in vogue. That will change shortly when SH starts playing vs the “big boys” and reality sets in. Sorry if the truth hurts and some are offended by it. I’ll let this season speak for itself.

Didn’t know all of your backstory, and it’sa good one. certainly shows not only your ties to the Hall, but your basketball acumen.

look…the early returns on this new NIL era have not been good…I am fully with you on that.
But…if you’re truly a Seton Hall supporter, why be so negative all the time?

Believe me…I lost it last year…but then decided to try to comment less as I really had nothing new to offer. Yes we absolutely sucked…and were painful to watch…so I gave up on that season.
But this is a new season and so far at least we have a team that we can watch without our eyes bleeding.

For me at least, I’m trying to remain supportive while we (hopefully) figure out this NIL era (and Fish posts some great ideas that the school should be considering) and return to where we can compete at the top of this conference.

 

[dehere23]

Didn’t know all of your backstory, and it’sa good one. certainly shows not only your ties to the Hall, but your basketball acumen.

look…the early returns on this new NIL era have not been good…I am fully with you on that.
But…if you’re truly a Seton Hall supporter, why be so negative all the time?

Believe me…I lost it last year…but then decided to try to comment less as I really had nothing new to offer. Yes we absolutely sucked…and were painful to watch…so I gave up on that season.
But this is a new season and so far at least we have a team that we can watch without our eyes bleeding.

For me at least, I’m trying to remain supportive while we (hopefully) figure out this NIL era (and Fish posts some great ideas that the school should be considering) and return to where we can compete at the top of this conference.

When you consider the critique launched at other teams, I think on balance the board has been very positive when it comes to the 4-0 start. There are posts about teams being "exposed" or having " bad losses" to ranked teams or other high majors. Yet a game where we don't win that comfortably against a bottom feeding low major is viewed by the majority as full of more positives than negatives. I suppose that comes with the territory, but to me objective is objective, period.

 

[shu09]

When you consider the critique launched at other teams, I think on balance the board has been very positive when it comes to the 4-0 start. There are posts about teams being "exposed" or having " bad losses" to ranked teams or other high majors. Yet a game where we don't win that comfortably against a bottom feeding low major is viewed by the majority as full of more positives than negatives. I suppose that comes with the territory, but to me objective is objective, period.

This board has, for decades, skewed far more positive than reality.

 

[HALL85]

This board has, for decades, skewed far more positive than reality.

That’s true but typical for all fanbases and message boards. We want to see what we want to see. And with SHU we have the constant over-sensitivity of the administration and coaching staff and this feeling that we need to be a** kissers.

 

[PhishingPirate088]

Why is this same exact mindless debate/conversation only ever about football and basketball?

 

[Merge]

Some fans will find a way to be overly optimistic no matter what and that's fine. Every fanbase has those.
I'm sure this board will be hopping after our first loss though as the overly negative fans will always show up.
It's depressing to see long time loyal fans turn sour, but not really unwarranted either... I'm in that camp for now.

At the end of the day, the team needs to find a way to beat expectations for a few years.
Last year was a disaster and this year's expectations are very low. If we can finish in the middle of the pack, it will be a successful year and the most negative views will start to fade.

Keep the major pieces for next year and pick up a few more key pieces and I'm content for a few years around the middle of the BE as long as we are showing that we're going to push to make improvements. Hopefully being a little more proactive than reactive in the evolving landscape. I'm bearish but still hoping to be wrong.

 

[HALL85]

A middle of the pack finish would certainly give the fan base hope that we’re moving in the right direction. Especially against last place expectations.

There is a second part of that though. If the team shows improvement, but we have an exodus of players again, you’re back to square one. Even worse, because losing last year‘s roster after those results was nothing to shed a tear about. Losing key players after a better than expected season would be a punch in the gut.

 

[sobo1]

Shu09 I have a genuine question. You’ve been very vocal for several years how (paraphrasing) you’re over college basketball and have no interest anymore. Why do you spend so much time on a college basketball message board? I don’t mean this in a smart *** kind of way. Logging onto a college basketball message board daily for several years just seems like a strange use of time for someone that doesn’t care or like college basketball anymore.

you only have so much downtime in a day, why not spend it doing something that brings you enjoyment?

 

[SHUSource]

Your John Sealey connection is well-documented. I’ve been waiting for you to bring it up again. By why say the same thing over and over about the current season? And over again some more?

I think everyone here knows your feelings. We’ve been clubbed over our heads repeatedly by them. We know SHU’s position and what lies ahead this season. So is there really a need to say the same thing over and over and over?

It's like complaining, over and over to no good end, that the sun is hot and how much you don't like it.

Pay-for-play and the professionalization of college sports is here for good, and is 100 percent, absolutely not changing, so you either make room for it in your head and your heart, or you move on. Both are legitimate and understandable options. But to keep littering this forum with the same pointless lament is just spamming the board.

Posting the same thing about this professionalization, ad nauseam, is exactly like griping about how hot the sun is. Yeah, it is. And no one can do anything about it, so why keep whining about it when nothing at all is going to change about it, kvetching or not.

 

[TheHall87]

A middle of the pack finish would certainly give the fan base hope that we’re moving in the right direction. Especially against last place expectations.

There is a second part of that though. If the team shows improvement, but we have an exodus of players again, you’re back to square one. Even worse, because losing last year‘s roster after those results was nothing to shed a tear about. Losing key players after a better than expected season would be a punch in the gut.

Keep in mind that there will be something of an exodus this off-season regardless of what happens. Sha pointedly went after portal players with experience this year after chasing younger but seemingly talented players last year.

Dar, Payne, Rivera, Suemnick, Staton-McCray and Fisher are all listed as seniors or graduate students on the team roster. That's presumably six players to replace before worrying if anybody else wants to move on (or we want to cut ties with).

That said, I agree we need to find a way to retain those players we want to build around with remaining eligibility.

 

[shu09]

Shu09 I have a genuine question. You’ve been very vocal for several years how (paraphrasing) you’re over college basketball and have no interest anymore. Why do you spend so much time on a college basketball message board? I don’t mean this in a smart *** kind of way. Logging onto a college basketball message board daily for several years just seems like a strange use of time for someone that someone that doesn’t care or like college basketball anymore.

you only have so much downtime in a day, why not spend it doing something that brings you enjoyment?

10-15 minutes a couple times a week is not a lot of time. You'll notice I don't post much anymore, but I do read here and there (mostly the opinions of long time posters I respect - yourself included). It is not easy to let go entirely, but eventually I'll get there. Between my opinion about the sport, how bad Seton Hall's program is and its bleak future, and the changes to this board (mostly negative, both in style and administration), I'll probably cancel sooner rather than later. I haven't watched a single college basketball game to date, Seton Hall or otherwise.

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

So here is a question for those who tell those who are frustrated with NIL / Transfer portal rules to just accept it or move on.

Knowing what the landscape is and how it ultimately restricts Seton Hall from building a program like they did under Willard, Why are there so many posters so eager to run a coach out of town who genuinely wants to be here?

Sha knows how difficult the task is and still is trying to grind his way towards success. He isn’t going to get the talent to run a high level offense you see at other programs who have true big men, top level PGs, and shooters to compliment.
So he defaults to trying to put together a roster that is going to grind it out defensively.

If we need to accept what NIL is, then I am not sure why the expectations for what Sha can do with the talent afforded to him should be any different.

 

[HALL85]

Keep in mind that there will be something of an exodus this off-season regardless of what happens. Sha pointedly went after portal players with experience this year after chasing younger but seemingly talented players last year.

Dar, Payne, Rivera, Suemnick, Staton-McCray and Fisher are all listed as seniors or graduate students on the team roster. That's presumably six players to replace before worrying if anybody else wants to move on (or we want to cut ties with).

That said, I agree we need to find a way to retain those players we want to build around with remaining eligibility.

Sure, we all know seniors graduate, but if Hines and Clark both leave after a better then expected season?

 

[Bud Boomer]

Vegas PJ and shu09 have been around as long as me, maybe longer. That’s 20+ years (damn). Always happy to see those guys posting, negative or otherwise.

 

[TheHall87]

Sure, we all know seniors graduate, but if Hines and Clark both leave after a better then expected season?

I did say we needed to retain the players we want to build around.

Those players will almost certainly be in high demand regardless if we go 2-18 or 18-2 in the BE or anywhere in between.

 

[SHUSource]

Vegas PJ and shu09 have been around as long as me, maybe longer. That’s 20+ years (damn). Always happy to see those guys posting, negative or otherwise.

To be clear, I am too. Both guys have a lot of equity built up here as posters. My earlier post is strictly related to the idea of beating one thought about a solitary, unchangeable fact of life to death. (Unless it is a joke about Quick Rick Pitino. That's different.)

 

[HALL85]

To be clear, I am too. Both guys have a lot of equity built up here as posters. My earlier post is strictly related to the idea of beating one thought about a solitary, unchangeable fact of life to death. (Unless it is a joke about Quick Rick Pitino. That's different.)

I agree that both have been here a long time and contributed a lot. Vegas took the time to write a lengthy and thoughtful post that to express why he feels the way he did. That gets points in my book.

NIL, P4P, immediate transfers, administrative dysfunction at SHU has taken a toll. I watch, I root, I hope things change, but I’d be lying to say I have the same emotional investment in the program.

Vegas can say what he wants as far as I’m concerned. Geez, the fact that he’s one of the few that has continued on this On3 debacle should count for something.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

Maybe our coach has turned a new leaf this season, but I’m much more bothered by his relentless negativity than that of message board posters…

 

[jack 1970]

Obviously, Kurtz likes racing cars and making $ more than SHU BB. That's his choice. He attended SHU during the BB salad days but doesn't seem to be excited about the sport.

 

[shu09]

Vegas PJ and shu09 have been around as long as me, maybe longer. That’s 20+ years (damn). Always happy to see those guys posting, negative or otherwise.

Appreciate it. And you've always been one of the best contributors. It's a different world today. I no longer love what used to be one of the best sports.

 

[Turiddu]

As a geezer I have spent most of my life being a Pirate fan. There certainly have been more valleys than mountain tops, but it is in my DNA. I understand the disappointment and distain for the current situation in college basketball, and also the fact that Seton Hall was extremely slow in recognizing the financial reality .There are legitimate concerns as to whether The Hall can compete now and in the future.
I ,despite the horrible past season, remain as passionate as ever and though not a Pollyanna, still hope that we can begin the road back. In the interim, I will refrain from criticizing those who see a bleak present and future, when all is said and done, we are all different but at the core die hard Pirate fans.