Is Al really here talking about Britt/Underwood at RU in 2008 and the Miami team of 2001? 15 and 22 years ago? And that’s the template we’re following? Game has changed a bit since then.
I see Rutgers playing in the Rose Bowl within 5 Years
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So you think because you spend lots of money donating you can post whatever drivel you want and people who spend less can’t? That sounds elitist. You’re really full of it now, telling me what to do.
You feel so passionate about this, you should go to the NJ corporates and tell them to support NJ team instead of telling message board people to STFU.
I didn’t tell you to STFU. I said you don’t have say on whether Greg Schiano is retained, big difference.
I’m not telling NJ Corporates anything because I know how things work, and they would laugh in my face. If fans won’t support Rutgers, why should corporates? Corporates aren’t going to do what fans won’t. Honda is a prominent supporter of Ohio State Football because fans have built a powerhouse football program. Rutgers fans have to do the same, otherwise corporates won’t support.
The game has evolved and so has Greg schiano. What hasn’t changed is that superior talent wins out, and we have to do what we can to obtain more of it.
Worse, he's giving Schiano, who was at Miami for 18 months, credit for their NC team, so much that it means he should be able to reproduce that feat at Rutgers--never mind how far short he fell for v 1.0.
So it's probably safe to say that any good DC could've recruited sh*t tons of talent at Miami.
I haven't seen much of this evolution on the offensive side of the ball in terms of philosophy, development or execution.
If currently the program isn't being supported and the program can't progress (according to you) without better support to get better players - what is going to change that will entice these better players?
You say "fund NIL" and "build fieldhouse". But it those aren't being funded now - why would they be funded in the next 2 years?
Following your argument - the program is dead currently. We can't even be mildly competitive.
Alternatively - a process of "use better coaching to get competitive with what we have - use that as proof of concept to attract better recruits" isn't dependent on NIL/field houses. It's dependent on a superior HC and staff.
Which is within the AD control.
Basically we have 2 WRs running out in each play with the ball going to the RB anyway. Vintage 70s Pittsburgh Steelers.
I can say wtf I want about Schiano or anything else. And like Hobbs will listen to you and your posts or money apparently.
Wouldn’t be the first time people laughed in your face.
Please tell us what Schiano is doing that has he has learned from his evolution?
He’s doing the same thing as he did in 2000s
It's much like Kyle Flood's evolution into a great recruiter at Texas. It's all about location. It's much easier to recruit 4 and 5 star talent at programs with not only resources, but with championships in their past. Flood didn't recruit at RU the way he's recruiting at Texas.
He paid up for and hired an experienced OC who has had a strong track record of success in the Big Ten at Minnesota. According to Hobbs they are working on designing the football Fieldhouse, which should boost recruiting. Last weeks practice was attended by NIL contributors. So they are doing what they can to do better.
It works when Lynn Swann and John Stallworth are the WRs and Franco Harris is the RB and you have an actual OL that blocks people. The Johnny Langan Direct Snap Meathead Line Plunge Series is not nearly as effective or evolutionary.
You will get the
you predicted 4-8 so I guess we don’t have a seasoned professional coach
Took him 4 years to hire KC. And IMO, there were better OCs available but it took GS months to hire any OC.
You just said: “If fans don’t care enough about the football program, why should corporations? Ironically, because there is so little fan support there is very little corporate support. Corporations think in terms of ROI, and the business case to support Rutgers is very weak.”
Make up your mind.
He’s talking out both sides of him mouth in this thread.
Be careful though before he’ll tell you that your opinion doesn’t matter like he just told me, twice.
It’s a free country and people say and respond however they want. I would laugh in your face if you told me that Schiano would be fired if he doesn’t win 6 games.
More likely: HC Schiano hired if he doesn't win 6 games by Year 5 or he gets an extension this off season?
The hardest part of the build is done. The foundation is laid. Need additional pieces on offense to make it work.
The same Kirk Ciarocca that Schiano fired after the disastrous co-OC experiment flamed out in a flurry of sacks and futile Mohamed Sanu runs up the middle with no blocking? McNulty had 2 1,000 yard receivers, a 2,000 yard rusher, and a 3,000 yard passer, and he wasn't a good OC. That team had a lot more talent than this one does. I don't think throwing the ball as much as that team did was Schiano"s idea.
And we need someone who can recruit well at Rutgers--and someone who can make the most of non-blue chip talent, which is not the same thing as someone who can win a NC with 5 star rosters.
The idea that it takes boatloads of money to be successful in college football won't leave the minds of some of our posters. Yes, you need super tanker loads to be Alabama/Georgia/Ohio State/Clemson. You don't need so much money to score a few TDs against Maryland, though.
I’m glad you brought all these situations up, because the common thread is that they all recently built state of the Art football facilities.
Kansas prior coach was Les Miles, who did a reasonable job of recruiting, and they recently built new football facilities. Vanderbilt plays in the SEC and has had the resources to compete, and has decent facilities.
Lovie Smith did a reasonable job of recruiting, which was helped by newer facilities.
Chris Ash did a dreadful job recruiting, which is why Schiano was starting from scratch, and why he got an 8 year contract. This is a big job, which will likely take time. A new Football Fieldhouse would accelerate the process.
Any good DC should be able to recruit tons of talent at Rutgers. The only reason we don’t is that fans don’t care enough to support a successful football program.
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And yet teams without brand new facilities manage to win games, like Marshall, who beat Notre Dame last year. Tell me, how many hundreds of millions does Schiano need to beat an 87th ranked team like Nebraska? We were told ad nauseum that only Schiano can recruit at Rutgers--Jersey guy blah blah blah--and that's why we needed him. Now we're told he CAN'T recruit and needs more money. That goal post moves a lot.
Shouldn’t take four years to “lay a foundation” when it has been done in at least two at worse places.
KANSAS AND VANDERBILT HAD STATE OF THE ART FACILITIES????? THEY HAVE TWO OF THE WORSE STADIUMS IN P5. THEY ARE NOW REBUILDING THEIR STADIUMS, NOT IN YEAR ONE.
NATIONAL CHAMPION LES MILES DID SUCH A GREAT JOB RECRUITING THAT HE WAS 3-18 HIS TWO YEARS AT KANSAS.
Henry Dale and Betty Smith Football Performance Center - Facilities - University of Illinois Athletics
The official facilities page for the University of Illinois Fighting Illini
fightingillini.com
Henry Dale and Betty Smith Football Performance Center - Facilities - University of Illinois Athletics
The official facilities page for the University of Illinois Fighting Illini
That Kansas facility was built in 2008. Wasn't that before the Hale Center?
Where is the funding for this new facility coming from? If our current $$ support is so low?
>>The Anderson Family Football Complex was initially completed in 2008 as the centerpiece of a then-$33 million project from the University. KU also unveiled a new locker room inside the facility in 2016. Now, the entire facility will get what Lance Leipold described to Phog.net as a "face lift."<<
Henry Dale and Betty Smith Football Performance Center - Facilities - University of Illinois Athletics
The official facilities page for the University of Illinois Fighting Illini
>A total of 143 days removed from the announcement that Kansas was going to invest over $300 million into a renovated football facility and stadium, the University announced official renderings for the improved football complex. Construction for the renovated complex will begin after the conclusion of Kansas football’s spring slate in April. KU states the project will begin construction on April10 and is projected to be finished in July.<
https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/Kansas-football-facility-upgrades-announced--205433124/
Vanderbilt University athletic facilities to see massive $300 million upgrade
by Adrian Mojica
Fri, November 12th 2021,
https://fox17.com/news/local/vander...all-baseball-commodores-ncaa-tennessee-sports
Hale Center was built in 1988, expanded in 2004. Locker room was redone during ash, and weight room was recently redone.
Big Ten Media payout $$$, which should be around $80-100M in 2024.
Those palatial facilities must be the reason that Kansas stomped RU's *** until **** squeezed out a few years ago.
Schiano isn’t averse to to throwing the ball as long as it can be done successfully. Need talent to do that. Kirk has learned a lot since 2010, and he will be effective this time around.
Next time we face Kansas we are going to beat their ***, so it’s all good.
Ok Al you won’t get off the GS no matter what. So let me ask you this, if GS doesn’t win more then 44 games in his 8 year will you admit that you were wrong about him, no more excuses