Is this feasible

Halldan

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Faster tempo means more offensive possessions which means more points. Better foul shooting too.

0 Clark 13 PPG
1 Dar 7 PPG
2 Simpkins 9.5 PPG
6 Payne 5.5 PPG
7 Rivera 1.5 PPG
9 Suemnick 1.5 PPG
13 Parker 4.0 PPG
14 Staton McCray 8.5 PPG
15 Felton 1.5 PPG
22 Fisher 11.0 PPG
23 Williams 3.0 PPG
25 Hines 5.5 PPG
54 Godswill 2.0 PPG

Total 73.5 PPG
 
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SPK145

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Faster tempo means more offensive possessions which means more points. Better foul shooting too.

This is 10 PPG over last year's disaster when the Pirates were one of the worst offensive teams in the country. What do you think?


0 Clark 13 PPG
1 Dar 7 PPG
2 Simpkins 9 PPG
6 Payne 5.5 PPG
7 Rivera 1.5 PPG
9 Suemnick 1.5 PPG
13 Parker 4.5 PPG
14 Staton McCray 9 PPG
15 Felton 1.5 PPG
22 Fisher 11.5 PPG
23 Williams 3.5 PPG
25 Hines 5.5 PPG
54 Godswill 3 PPG

Total 76.0 PPG
That's 15 points more per game, not 10, seems a little high.

I see like this:

Adam Clark - 14
Elijah Fisher - 11
TJ Simpkins - 8
A.J. Staton-McCray - 7
Stephon Payne III - 6
Nijal Hines - 6
Jacob Dar - 5
Godswill Erheriene - 4
Trey Parker - 4
Jahseem Felton - 3
Josh Rivera - 2
Patrick Suemnick - 2
Assane Mbaye - 0

Total - 72
 

TheHall87

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Cumulative player PPG is generally higher than team PPG because not every player will appear in the same number of games.

Last season we averaged 61.6 PPG as a team but the player aggregate average was 73 PPG.

The year before the numbers were 72.8 and 77.9. In Shaheen's first season the numbers were 68.5 and 68.7.

Last year's difference was extremely large while the 2022-23 difference was relatively microscopic.

Figure whatever you player total is, we're going to average about five fewer points per game as a team.
 
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That's 15 points more per game, not 10, seems a little high.

I see like this:

Adam Clark - 14
Elijah Fisher - 11
TJ Simpkins - 8
A.J. Staton-McCray - 7
Stephon Payne III - 6
Nijal Hines - 6
Jacob Dar - 5
Godswill Erheriene - 4
Trey Parker - 4
Jahseem Felton - 3
Josh Rivera - 2
Patrick Suemnick - 2
Assane Mbaye - 0

Total - 72

That's 15 points more per game, not 10, seems a little high.

I see like this:

Adam Clark - 14
Elijah Fisher - 11
TJ Simpkins - 8
A.J. Staton-McCray - 7
Stephon Payne III - 6
Nijal Hines - 6
Jacob Dar - 5
Godswill Erheriene - 4
Trey Parker - 4
Jahseem Felton - 3
Josh Rivera - 2
Patrick Suemnick - 2
Assane Mbaye - 0

Total - 72
Is that a zero for Williams also?
 

Halldan

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That's 15 points more per game, not 10, seems a little high.

I see like this:

Adam Clark - 14
Elijah Fisher - 11
TJ Simpkins - 8
A.J. Staton-McCray - 7
Stephon Payne III - 6
Nijal Hines - 6
Jacob Dar - 5
Godswill Erheriene - 4
Trey Parker - 4
Jahseem Felton - 3
Josh Rivera - 2
Patrick Suemnick - 2
Assane Mbaye - 0

Total - 72
Thx Steve. I saw the foul shooting % and thought that was the PPG.

I agree, it's too high. Tomorrow I will edit.
 
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johns79

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Think, and hope Clark, Hines and Fisher will average a little more if they stay healthy.
 

Halldan

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Edited as noted above

0 Clark 13 PPG
1 Dar 7 PPG
2 Simpkins 9.5 PPG
6 Payne 5.5 PPG
7 Rivera 1.5 PPG
9 Suemnick 1.5 PPG
13 Parker 4.0 PPG
14 Staton McCray 8.5 PPG
15 Felton 1.5 PPG
22 Fisher 11.0 PPG
23 Williams 3.0 PPG
25 Hines 5.5 PPG
54 Godswill 2.0 PPG

Total 73.5 PPG
 

shu67

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Faster tempo means more offensive possessions which means more points. Better foul shooting too.

0 Clark 13 PPG
1 Dar 7 PPG
2 Simpkins 9.5 PPG
6 Payne 5.5 PPG
7 Rivera 1.5 PPG
9 Suemnick 1.5 PPG
13 Parker 4.0 PPG
14 Staton McCray 8.5 PPG
15 Felton 1.5 PPG
22 Fisher 11.0 PPG
23 Williams 3.0 PPG
25 Hines 5.5 PPG
54 Godswill 2.0 PPG

Total 73.5 PPG
Some false assumptions here:

1. More offensive possessions only mean more points if you score!
2. Better foul shooting only happens if the right guys go to the line
3. Faster tempo only works if all 5 guys can run fast. I don't see the 285 lb Hines making it up and down the court in that game plan. If Hines is to be the center then a slower pace will be needed otherwise the big man will be left out of the offense.
 

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Faster tempo means more offensive possessions which means more points. Better foul shooting too.

0 Clark 13 PPG
1 Dar 7 PPG
2 Simpkins 9.5 PPG
6 Payne 5.5 PPG
7 Rivera 1.5 PPG
9 Suemnick 1.5 PPG
13 Parker 4.0 PPG
14 Staton McCray 8.5 PPG
15 Felton 1.5 PPG
22 Fisher 11.0 PPG
23 Williams 3.0 PPG
25 Hines 5.5 PPG
54 Godswill 2.0 PPG

Total 73.5 PPG
Going to be rough if our leading scorer is at 13ppg.

Sha needs to stop the 10+ man rotation nonsense. It’s 40 minute basketball with endless breaks and they’re 20 something years old. Don’t give me the “it keeps them fresh nonsense.”

Cant even play the it builds a foundation for next year because the players won’t be back anyway.

Play your 5-7 best until they foul out. Who cares if the bench guys are unhappy. They’re leaving after the year anyway.

Our talent is questionable enough as it is, now we’re going to sub in guys deep on the bench just because and have them potentially running against the opponents starting 5? Yeah, 2-18 coming again.
 

shu67

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Show us how we are going to improve on our rebounding from last years mess.
 

Halldan

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Going to be rough if our leading scorer is at 13ppg.

Sha needs to stop the 10+ man rotation nonsense. It’s 40 minute basketball with endless breaks and they’re 20 something years old. Don’t give me the “it keeps them fresh nonsense.”

Cant even play the it builds a foundation for next year because the players won’t be back anyway.

Play your 5-7 best until they foul out. Who cares if the bench guys are unhappy. They’re leaving after the year anyway.

Our talent is questionable enough as it is, now we’re going to sub in guys deep on the bench just because and have them potentially running against the opponents starting 5? Yeah, 2-18 coming again.
I agree. But that's not how Holloway is going to play this roster so what I posted was intune with his philosophy.
 

SPK145

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Is that a zero for Williams also?
Revised with Williams added:

Adam Clark - 14
Elijah Fisher - 11
TJ Simpkins - 8
A.J. Staton-McCray - 7
Stephon Payne III - 6
Nijal Hines - 6
Jacob Dar - 5
Godswill Erheriene - 4
Trey Parker - 3
Jahseem Felton - 2
Josh Rivera - 2
Patrick Suemnick - 2
Mike Williams - 2

Total - 72
 

shu67

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And when he is not in there? He will not play the whole game. And who else will compete at the forward spots for rebounds?
 

Halldan

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This team is athletic. It will have to team rebound and try to turnover the opponent or shorten the defensive shot clock. Each will lead to playing uptempo.

And although our fans probably won't like it we'll have to wear down opponents with our depth. Maybe .500 but probably will be enjoyable to watch unlike last season.
 

Fishjam

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Clark 14
Fisher 10
McCray 8
Simpkins 9
Hines 7
Payne 6
Parker 6
Dar 6
Godswill 2

Felton 2
Williams 2
Rivera 2
Sumenick 2

76.0 ppg (team averages about 70-72)
 

TheHall87

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There is a pretty strong correlation between tempo/pace and scoring. It's generally accepted that tempo -- even more than shooting -- is the biggest factor in scoring. The idea is you would make the same percentage of shots whether you take 25, 50 or 100 per game, so the more you take, the more you make.

Think back to the stellar Princeton teams of yesteryear. They were usually among the lowest scoring teams in the country despite their success. That's because they controlled tempo -- on both ends of the floor. They were a good shooting team but because of the slow pace they preferred they didn't take as many shots as most teams. Since their opponents were usually more athletic, they used tempo to mitigate that disadvantage.

Obviously, there are no guarantees here but last year, with no point guard and seemingly no offensive system, we played very slow. Having Clark holding the reins of the offense has to be an improvement.

However, it's our defense that will have to fuel our tempo. Somehow we forced 66 more turnovers than we committed last season. Unfortunately, our opponents made 49 more shots on 143 fewer attempts and outrebounded us by nearly three per game.

Live ball turnovers will allow us to get out and run and hopefully score easy baskets. Likewise, we'll need to improve our rebounding -- again with the hopes of creating fast break opportunities. Perhaps most importantly, we have to be much better in the half court in general. We were outscored by about 8.5 points per game and allowed a 46..5 FG percentage.
 
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ROTATION
Budd 15ppg
Fisher 13ppg
Simpkins 9ppg
AJSM 7ppg
Hines 6ppg
GW 4ppg
Dar 5ppg
Parker 4ppg
Williams 4ppg
Felton 2ppg

NON-ROTATION
Payne 2 ppg
Sumenick 1ppg
Rivera 0
Mbaye 0

TOTAL 72 ppg