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ILisBest

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@bucshon ... what is the justification for deleting my posts beyond you don't like them.

I'm more than willing to move myself along should it be that positions you like are acceptable but ones you don't are not. This happened yesterday with Covid on posts that insulted no one, either, unless jokes about "horse dewormer" (which Ivermectin is) are not acceptable.
Ivermectin is used in humans to treat certain parasitic infections, such as river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, and scabies. It’s an FDA-approved antiparasitic drug commonly used in oral or topical form for these conditions. It’s also been studied for other uses, but Stone used to post the same horse dewormer joke to run down any opinion on other human uses.
 
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dtrain79

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Ivermectin is used in humans to treat certain parasitic infections, such as river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, and scabies. It’s an FDA-approved antiparasitic drug commonly used in oral or topical form for these conditions. It’s also been studied for other uses, but Stone used to post the same horse dewormer joke to run down any opinion on other human uses.

It's a horse dewormer. You can take it, I don't care.

I had a lot of opinions on Covid (most, including those on vaccines, seemed to turn out accurately post-April 2020). But I have very few opinions on (a) medical treatment or (b) what medical treatment others deem fit for themselves. Really not my jam.

To be clear, your dog and you can take a lot of the same medications for similar stuff. "Horse dewormer" sounds anti-parasitic to me, tho it doesn't fill me with confidence it would work regarding Covid. Yet again, I think studies tend to support this position ... but I genuinely don't care other than the fact that the overlap between those who claim Ivermectin is good and vaccines are bad seems to be about 99% (which gives me a guide on how I should view Ivermectin).
 
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It's a horse dewormer. You can take it, I don't care.

I had a lot of opinions on Covid (most, including those on vaccines, seemed to turn out accurately post-April 2020). But I have very few opinions on (a) medical treatment or (b) what medical treatment others deem fit for themselves. Really not my jam.

To be clear, your dog and you can take a lot of the same medications for similar stuff. "Horse dewormer" sounds anti-parasitic to me, tho it doesn't fill me with confidence it would work regarding Covid. Yet again, I think studies tend to support this position ... but I genuinely don't care other than the fact that the overlap between those who claim Ivermectin is good and vaccines are bad seems to be about 99% (which gives me a guide on how I should view Ivermectin).
It is an anti-parasitic. It drives the worms or other parasites from the host. It does not cure an infection. One study showed that it might hype the immune system in a way that the co-application of an anti-viral drug was better received.
 

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It's a horse dewormer. You can take it, I don't care.

I had a lot of opinions on Covid (most, including those on vaccines, seemed to turn out accurately post-April 2020). But I have very few opinions on (a) medical treatment or (b) what medical treatment others deem fit for themselves. Really not my jam.

To be clear, your dog and you can take a lot of the same medications for similar stuff. "Horse dewormer" sounds anti-parasitic to me, tho it doesn't fill me with confidence it would work regarding Covid. Yet again, I think studies tend to support this position ... but I genuinely don't care other than the fact that the overlap between those who claim Ivermectin is good and vaccines are bad seems to be about 99% (which gives me a guide on how I should view Ivermectin).
It has some random traction on cancer in addition to covid. I had a family member insist I skip traditional treatment for Fenbenzanol and Ivermectin.

I am all for finding new paths to treat disease, but wasn't willing to stake my life on it.
 
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stoneaxe27

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It has some random traction on cancer in addition to covid. I had a family member insist I skip traditional treatment for Fenbenzanol and Ivermectin.

I am all for finding new paths to treat disease, but wasn't willing to stake my life on it.
It is easy for one that is not inflicted to give treatment advice, very difficult to decided what treatment to follow if you are the one inflicted. Plus there are new cutting edge approaches every day. Best of luck to you.
 

dtrain79

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It has some random traction on cancer in addition to covid. I had a family member insist I skip traditional treatment for Fenbenzanol and Ivermectin.

I am all for finding new paths to treat disease, but wasn't willing to stake my life on it.

Secondary treatments are absolutely real (I'd be skeptical on Covid, but honestly it having impact on certain cancers would be less shocking).

I also wouldn't be staking my life on Ivermectin, for Covid or otherwise. People are definitely strange.

My primary point in this debate is that there is simply no evidence out there for increased mortality among the vaccinated versus unvaccinated in connection with similar age/health cohorts. And there is clear evidence during the height of the pandemic that mortality was lower for the vaccinated than similarly situated unvaccinated. Today ... I doubt there's much if any difference.

Someone who believes that the vaccine is killing people in a way Covid doesn't has to come to better terms with the concept that the vaccine is designed to imitate Covid, thus creating antibodies to limit the severity of disease symptoms (as are all antibodies). The disappointment with the Covid vaccine seemed to be that, for whatever reason, it did not suppress the disease sufficiently to "stop the spread" between exposed individuals, at least after some relatively smallish (a few months) period of time post vaccination. But from a first exposure perspective, it clearly lowered the severity of symptoms and thus protected people from more serious Covid disease.

None of this is any great mystery, the data is all there.
 
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By the way, I looked this up last night during the since-deleted Covid discussion, and East/Southeast Asian mortality rates were FAR LOWER than those among countries in Europe and the Americas. The hardest hit country in the world, I believe, was Peru, where much of the population has indigenous American roots. Countries like Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Vietnam, Malaysia, and yes probably the farking Chinese (where we have no reliable data, ofc) all fared much better than countries like the UK and the US.

This is almost certainly a result of either some genetic adaptation to coronaviruses or greater coronavirus exposure in Asia (where these viruses originally came from). Or maybe most likely, a combination of the two.
 

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By the way, I looked this up last night during the since-deleted Covid discussion, and East/Southeast Asian mortality rates were FAR LOWER than those among countries in Europe and the Americas. The hardest hit country in the world, I believe, was Peru, where much of the population has indigenous American roots. Countries like Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Vietnam, Malaysia, and yes probably the farking Chinese (where we have no reliable data, ofc) all fared much better than countries like the UK and the US.

This is almost certainly a result of either some genetic adaptation to coronaviruses or greater coronavirus exposure in Asia (where these viruses originally came from). Or maybe most likely, a combination of the two.
Or could it be they are in better physical shape?
 
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Secondary treatments are absolutely real (I'd be skeptical on Covid, but honestly it having impact on certain cancers would be less shocking).

I also wouldn't be staking my life on Ivermectin, for Covid or otherwise. People are definitely strange.

My primary point in this debate is that there is simply no evidence out there for increased mortality among the vaccinated versus unvaccinated in connection with similar age/health cohorts. And there is clear evidence during the height of the pandemic that mortality was lower for the vaccinated than similarly situated unvaccinated. Today ... I doubt there's much if any difference.

Someone who believes that the vaccine is killing people in a way Covid doesn't has to come to better terms with the concept that the vaccine is designed to imitate Covid, thus creating antibodies to limit the severity of disease symptoms (as are all antibodies). The disappointment with the Covid vaccine seemed to be that, for whatever reason, it did not suppress the disease sufficiently to "stop the spread" between exposed individuals, at least after some relatively smallish (a few months) period of time post vaccination. But from a first exposure perspective, it clearly lowered the severity of symptoms and thus protected people from more serious Covid disease.

None of this is any great mystery, the data is all there.
With all the profit made on covid vaccines, I might wait on some more impartial, long term data.
 

dtrain79

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Or could it be they are in better physical shape?

No … that might account for a 50% discrepancy. Not a 500-1000% discrepancy.

The single most important variable for Covid mortality was age. A 90 year old had many many multiples greater of a chance of dying than an 18 year old. We are talking hundreds.

Being a fat *** was an aggravating factor (as were a lot of underlying conditions whether fat or not). But the severity of the disease was overwhelmingly impacted by age.

There are fatties in Japan too. And if you make it to 80 here, odds are good you aren’t morbidly obese either.
 

dtrain79

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With all the profit made on covid vaccines, I might wait on some more impartial, long term data.

You will wait forever to vindicate the anti vax position.

You do know it’s crazy to think the vax is going to have a greater impact in the long term, correct? Vaccines have an immediate impact, not a long term one. If the vax causes a condition, it’s much likelier to show up quickly.

TJ claiming things like cancer from this is based on nothing but lunatics wanting to burnish their MAGA credentials … not evidence.

I wish a right wing movement as successful as Trump’s wasn’t so toxic to truth but as I see on here every day, what I want isn’t happening.
 

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@TEAM_USA__

CNN guest states that nearly all the errors from the 2020 census disproportionately affected red states, with many red states being undercounted and many blue states being overcounted. It's amazing this actually aired on CNN.





I guess that TRUMP can't do anything correct, not even conduct a census.
 

BigWill

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It's a horse dewormer. You can take it, I don't care.

I had a lot of opinions on Covid (most, including those on vaccines, seemed to turn out accurately post-April 2020). But I have very few opinions on (a) medical treatment or (b) what medical treatment others deem fit for themselves. Really not my jam.

To be clear, your dog and you can take a lot of the same medications for similar stuff. "Horse dewormer" sounds anti-parasitic to me, tho it doesn't fill me with confidence it would work regarding Covid. Yet again, I think studies tend to support this position ... but I genuinely don't care other than the fact that the overlap between those who claim Ivermectin is good and vaccines are bad seems to be about 99% (which gives me a guide on how I should view Ivermectin).
Drano is consistent...

He spouts out opinions and statements....then when shown to be wrong again....takes his ball home and doesn't care !
 
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You will wait forever to vindicate the anti vax position.

You do know it’s crazy to think the vax is going to have a greater impact in the long term, correct? Vaccines have an immediate impact, not a long term one. If the vax causes a condition, it’s much likelier to show up quickly.

TJ claiming things like cancer from this is based on nothing but lunatics wanting to burnish their MAGA credentials … not evidence.

I wish a right wing movement as successful as Trump’s wasn’t so toxic to truth but as I see on here every day, what I want isn’t happening.
Just wait for it.....I knew it would show up...

With TDS 3.0 EVERYTHING is Trumps fault !
 
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dtrain79

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Drano is consistent...

He spouts out opinions and statements....then when shown to be wrong again....takes his ball home and doesn't care !

Shown to be wrong by what?

I am aware you have a low IQ and that you are incapable of rational thought. Me relentlessly disproving your misconceptions about the world is a waste of my time, because you have no interest in facts that challenge your (stupid) worldview.
 

dtrain79

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Ivermectin reduces Covid-19 risk: real-time meta analysis of 105 studies​


This is in no way a study. It is a claim by an anonymous person with a Twitter account that Ivermectin works. I'm linking said Twitter account, which contends that those who doubt the effectiveness of Ivermectin view those who advocate for it as the equivalent of the Klan and/or Josef Mengele (the Nazi scientist who experimented on Jews). I have to be honest, I doubt the effectiveness of Ivermectin but I've never considered it as something similar to the KKK or Nazis. The fact that you appear unable to differentiate between scientific study and obvious advocacy should be more troubling to you than I'll bet it is.

The account does appear to advocate for all sorts of "home remedies" as Covid treatments. Perhaps some of them work, perhaps they don't.

(1) Covid Analysis (@CovidAnalysis) / X
 

dtrain79

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This is in no way a study. It is a claim by an anonymous person with a Twitter account that Ivermectin works. I'm linking said Twitter account, which contends that those who doubt the effectiveness of Ivermectin view those who advocate for it as the equivalent of the Klan and/or Josef Mengele (the Nazi scientist who experimented on Jews). I have to be honest, I doubt the effectiveness of Ivermectin but I've never considered it as something similar to the KKK or Nazis. The fact that you appear unable to differentiate between scientific study and obvious advocacy should be more troubling to you than I'll bet it is.

The account does appear to advocate for all sorts of "home remedies" as Covid treatments. Perhaps some of them work, perhaps they don't.

(1) Covid Analysis (@CovidAnalysis) / X

Btw, because I want to help, here's a study showing that Ivermectin likely reduces Covid viral load (but it does not appear to impact symptoms and health outcomes). Which suggests that the drug has some anti-viral properties but that they may not be clinically helpful. Again, I claim no medical expertise and have tried to stay as far away from the treatment side of Covid arguments as possible, but from my vague recollection on Covid this may relate to the severe negative outcomes from Covid being more a function to the body's reaction to the disease than the disease itself.

Efficacy and safety of oral ivermectin in the treatment of mild to moderate Covid-19 patients: a multi-centre double-blind randomized controlled clinical trial | BMC Infectious Diseases | Full Text
 

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You will wait forever to vindicate the anti vax position.

You do know it’s crazy to think the vax is going to have a greater impact in the long term, correct? Vaccines have an immediate impact, not a long term one. If the vax causes a condition, it’s much likelier to show up quickly.

TJ claiming things like cancer from this is based on nothing but lunatics wanting to burnish their MAGA credentials … not evidence.

I wish a right wing movement as successful as Trump’s wasn’t so toxic to truth but as I see on here every day, what I want isn’t happening.
Haha. Speaking of data, where did I claim it caused cancer?? Put up or shut up.

What I did post was the sudden unexplained increase in 30s and 40s cancer in Australia. Surely, the Bronze Brain is curious as to the cause? Perhaps not.
 
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Do people still believe all the girls were just being trafficked and abused by Epstein? I know that was a new talking point.
 

dtrain79

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Haha. Speaking of data, where did I claim it caused cancer?? Put up or shut up.

What I did post was the sudden unexplained increase in 30s and 40s cancer in Australia. Surely, the Bronze Brain is curious as to the cause? Perhaps not.

Didn't you link an article claiming "cancer rates among young Aussies" are way up? The implication is that the Covid shot was the source of cancer. Seems unlikely to me ... but in a fact free zone anything is possible if you just question it into existence.
 

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This is in no way a study. It is a claim by an anonymous person with a Twitter account that Ivermectin works. I'm linking said Twitter account, which contends that those who doubt the effectiveness of Ivermectin view those who advocate for it as the equivalent of the Klan and/or Josef Mengele (the Nazi scientist who experimented on Jews). I have to be honest, I doubt the effectiveness of Ivermectin but I've never considered it as something similar to the KKK or Nazis. The fact that you appear unable to differentiate between scientific study and obvious advocacy should be more troubling to you than I'll bet it is.

The account does appear to advocate for all sorts of "home remedies" as Covid treatments. Perhaps some of them work, perhaps they don't.

(1) Covid Analysis (@CovidAnalysis) / X
I couldn’t care less about the Twitter account. I care about the studies that were listed, which are plenty. Ivermectin is an anti-viral. Ivermectin is used in many countries throughout the world as a prophylactic. It is a very inexpensive medication used around the world. It sure af isn’t just a “horse dewormer”. Why did Fauci and Collins pay off researchers who had suggested they saw signs of covid 19 being lab modified? Why did those researchers recant their findings almost immediately? How much money did Fauci make on Pharmaceutical stocks during Covid? How much money did Remdesivir make for Gilead, despite not being anywhere near as effective as advertised? Why did Fauci push that drug? We know he invented nonsense out of thin air, including the social distancing 6’ rule. Physicians on the front lines were the researchers. Their successes/information they tried sharing were censored, which has diddly squat to do with MAGA. The US government was chock full of BS, but MAGA something something. LOL.
 

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So many like Rill surrendered their liberty so easily. And now he has a different job as do I! Jobs come and go. Liberty is hard won and easily lost.


I will never forget the Karen who called the cops on my family throwing frisbee in public. I don’t know who she was, had to certainly be a white female liberal nutbag, but thanks, Jabba. #nokings
 

dtrain79

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Well, that's progress.

He is likely protecting allies, perhaps friends, and a lot of enemies.

The Epstein story is proving to be a much bigger fraud than anyone realized. Epstein and Maxwell are terrible humans, but this whole sexcapade seems largely to have been orchestrated to benefit ... Jeff Epstein. Could Epstein have sent some of his victims to others? Sure, but the evidence is pretty thin here.

What this increasingly looks like to me is that it was a first-term attack by a media member (and then later the press generally) on Alex Acosta's handling of the original case, as he in his prosecutorial capacity ultimately gave Jeffie a sweetheart deal, most likely because the case was going to consume a massive amount of resources up against a rich, well-connected Defendant and he didn't think it was a major case (he may have been wrong on that). Acosta was Trump's Labor Secretary or some such.

Then as the story grew legs, the Internet conspiracy theories far outpaced the facts, and people with limited knowledge starting thinking this was a huge sex (even pedophile) ring involving many really important people, because Epstein knew and feted a ton of truly important people. And no one had any interest in debunking that Epstein's sex crimes were largely about ... Jeff Epstein's sexual predilections.

It's karmic (in)justice that Trump is somehow caught in this web, as he truly appears to have done absolutely nothing wrong.
 
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