Jerry on the game
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If he can handle it he'll get it.
Do you believe that Sha doesn't see what we see? It's up to the big man to stay on the court. If he could get in better shape Sha would play him in the high 20ies.
Do you believe that Sha doesn't see what we see? It's up to the big man to stay on the court. If he could get in better shape Sha would play him in the high 20ies.
You could see Hines gassed. I'm sure this a bit of baptism by fire for him this year getting used to things. I hope he applies it moving forward in SHU blue.
He had another one of those games last night where you see what he brings to the table. To have 12 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 blocks in only 24 minutes is getting some freaking work done, man. Plus Georgetown has a very physical front, they're not a pushover up there like some of the other BE teams. And he's done this before; it's not out of nowhere.
How Sha managed it and let him play through it last night has been what a lot of fans have been screaming about throughout the year as Payne's play has cratered (even before the ankle injury).
We only have 3 games left. No margin for error. It's time to let Hines start and try to get some offense going early instead of trying to save it later.
He had another one of those games last night where you see what he brings to the table. To have 12 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 blocks in only 24 minutes is getting some freaking work done, man. Plus Georgetown has a very physical front, they're not a pushover up there like some of the other BE teams. And he's done this before; it's not out of nowhere.
How Sha managed it and let him play through it last night has been what a lot of fans have been screaming about throughout the year as Payne's play has cratered (even before the ankle injury).
We only have 3 games left. No margin for error. It's time to let Hines start and try to get some offense going early instead of trying to save it later.
I fear two things with Hines.
If he starts
1 Imm foul trouble
2 What will he have left in the second half
I would rather he starts the second half than the first.
Plus with a week off hopefully Payne's ankle will improve.
If he starts
1 Imm foul trouble
2 What will he have left in the second half
I would rather he starts the second half than the first.
Plus with a week off hopefully Payne's ankle will improve.
I'm more inclined to agree with this although Hines is clearly outperforming Payne at this point in the season. Hines almost always picks up a quick 2 fouls.
Today was an ideal situation we should look to continue. Having Hines available for the entire 2nd half made the difference.
Have to also hope that Payne can improve with this week off. He was great for the first half of the season and plays hard but it's obvious the injuries have taken a toll and hurt his ability on the court. We still need both Bigs to contribute if we are going to do what we need to over these last 3 games.
It also helps Hines that Georgetown doesn’t have a 5 who can step out and shoot.
I don’t agree with this…Sha loves Payne. I don’t think Hines will ever see mins in the high 20s.
Yup, Holloway mentioned this during the presser. Hines can’t keep up with teams that want to score in the 80s & 90s— ie Creighton and X who play five out. Gtown was a perfect matchup to utilize Hines and he came thru.
Hines's end of the game steel was a beauty.
Didn't Sha mention that Payne had an ankle injury after the DePaul loss? In that case, week off will help. Agree... need both bigs to come up big.
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Yes, he mentioned Payne's ankle after the last 2 games.
On Hines' getting more minutes in Georgetown game:
I thought he was giving us something that Steph wasn’t giving us, so I think this will be good for Steph once he gets his ankle back to 100 percent this week.”
On Payne’s health after DePaul game:
“He hurt his ankle at Creighton, but he’s a tough kid. And Godswill couldn’t practice yesterday, and that leaves you with these two guys again. Something with his knee yesterday in practice.”
Case in point, Hines played five minutes in the first half on Saturday. He picked up two fouls within 55 seconds of each other leading to his departure.
He has 62 fouls in 442 minutes which is one every 7.1 minutes. For some context, Payne has 69 fouls in 594 minutes -- or one every 8.6 minutes.
While not a huge difference, that matters if you consider Hines your more valuable player.
What’s missing is the context of the fouls. Not trying to knock Hines at all but he commits typical freshman fouls of not moving his feet, not reading the play that’s developing quick enough, and some lazy fouls as opposed to using his 5 fouls to make opposition earn something at the line instead of an easy 2
Yes, and a lot of that is fatigue. When you're tired you don't focus well and you commit those lazy/silly fouls.
What's the saying? Fatigue makes fools of us all.
What's the saying? Fatigue makes fools of us all.
Maybe Hines gets tired but he can certainly play more than 12 minutes against St. John’s, 10 minutes against DePaul, and 7 minutes against Creighton. Unless there is something going off the court, that usage is indefensible.
What is the staff doing to get Hines in shape?.was he on campus all summer? He needsa little tough love to light a fire umder him . He'll be squandering a lot of opportunities if he doesn't take care of his body. Hey.... he's getting paid now.... no excuse.
I cringe watching Sha's pressers especially when he sits on the corner of the table and listens closely to everything the players say and interupts them and critiques them after they answer questions. He is the ultimate control freak and that gets hard after a while. We may lose players because of money but there are probably other reasons too. He is just too on top of them IMO.
This is a serious issue, even for a Holloway supporter like myself.
For the media, and by extension the fans...the worst thing that could happen was having the coach and players share a podium.
The players are clearly intimated by the coach sitting right next to them and are cautious in what they say. Years ago, maybe about 3-4, the players would come out first and the conversations between the media and players were such that they spoke freely and honestly. Now you get boring sound bites where next to nothing interesting is said.
When this first started certain SHU media members complained, but to no avail.
I used to love interacting with the players. The last few years the postgames board me to death and I couldn't wait for them to be over so I could go home.
The players are clearly intimated by the coach sitting right next to them and are cautious in what they say. Years ago, maybe about 3-4, the players would come out first and the conversations between the media and players were such that they spoke freely and honestly. Now you get boring sound bites where next to nothing interesting is said.
When this first started certain SHU media members complained, but to no avail.
I used to love interacting with the players. The last few years the postgames board me to death and I couldn't wait for them to be over so I could go home.
he didnt sign until August, so he basically had no summer program.
This is the offseason for him to get into shape and work on some things; he is truly an "old school" player that can develop and become meaningfully better each year; whether that is here or not remains to be seen...but like a lot of others have stated, we have to at least retain him and Budd, or we are showing ourselves to be nothing more than a training platform for others to pick off...
Sha is clearly a control freak. So are most college coaches, each in his own way. Sha is more blatant about it than most and it's often not pretty.
Well we do have a 7'2" kid on the bench who was given a ship and should be able to run up and down the court and even clog up the post on D for a few minutes. Geeze he can't be that dysfunctional. I saw him play in the last few minutes of some of the early games and he has some knowledge of the game.
He knows when a shot is missed he can grab the rebound...at least that is something? And we miss a lot!
Hines needs to learn how to screen without fouling. At least once a game it seems.