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Bigblue2023

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Look, why didn't you just say you had a black friend earlier? That would have proven you don't have a racial bias.

How about this: a black person is more likely to be sentenced to death for the same crime as a white person, and more likely to be wrongfully executed.

When a UK professor introduced this information to white people in the US National Crime Survey the respondents were more likely to support the death penalty when they were told black people were more likely to be wrongfully executed.

How is it fixed? The damage was done over generations, it will take generations to repair. Affirmative action and increased educational opportunities are just some ways to combat inherent racial bias that runs rampant in our country.

That's the real problem. It isn't the KKK. It's that people get so damn defensive when confronted with racial bias that they lash out. And we can start doing our part by not bitching about it solutions on message boards.


Of course you cherry pick one statement and ignore the rest...
 

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Success and racism can coexist. Dr. King was a success, do you think he didn't deal with extreme racism?

Being successful had nothing to do with whether racism exist or not. You can a success in spite of it, but the sheer fact black men have to work much harder than there white counter parts and the fact they are paid on avg less than whites, proves racism alive and well.


That's just factually incorrect. It takes the same amount of work to be successful at a given job. Also are you stating black people are paid less on a macro level or being laid less for the exact same jobs? I think I know which..
 

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The rest was hollow and didn't make a point or respond to one that had been presented.

You tried to argue my original point with an article that didnt address it at all and you still haven't addressed it. Do you want to get back to the beginning or keep deflecting?
 

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That is not true.

Reparations come from me.

Do you always lie when you answer?
Just say that you fear reparations. Because I certainly didn't suggest that you pay reparations, but you sure are worried about it. Do you write your senator and demand that money you pay in gas taxes not go to repair roads that you don't drive on, or you just a dullard about race?
 

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You tried to argue my original point with an article that didnt address it at all and you still haven't addressed it. Do you want to get back to the beginning or keep deflecting?

It addressed it. You just didn't get it. I won't say you didn't understand it because I think you do. It's a matter of cognitive dissonance and you refuse to acknowledge that.

You stated that systemic racism had been eliminated and I shared and article proving that the effects of the racism are still prevalent and largely unabated.

I directly rebutted your point (which was an opinion) with facts, and then you mentioned that you sit next to a black guy. So who's deflecting?
 

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That's just factually incorrect. It takes the same amount of work to be successful at a given job. Also are you stating black people are paid less on a macro level or being laid less for the exact same jobs? I think I know which..
could you provide some evidence proving where it is false? I'll happily wait.

If what you said was true there would be a lot more wealthy people in the world. I highly doubt Jeff Bezos is the hardest working person in the world, let alone his own company.
 
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It addressed it. You just didn't get it. I won't say you didn't understand it because I think you do. It's a matter of cognitive dissonance and you refuse to acknowledge that.

You stated that systemic racism had been eliminated and I shared and article proving that the effects of the racism are still prevalent and largely unabated.

I directly rebutted your point (which was an opinion) with facts, and then you mentioned that you sit next to a black guy. So who's deflecting?


So I say systemic racism is currently dead and you respond saying we are still feeling the effects of the history of racism in this country. Those are 2 different arguments. I'll freely admit racism was a huge problem in this country, however that isnt true today. Although you probably think I'm a racist simply because I'm white. In that sense, I'm wrong about racism not existing today, its just different than what youd like to believe or talk about.
 

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Just say that you fear reparations. Because I certainly didn't suggest that you pay reparations, but you sure are worried about it. Do you write your senator and demand that money you pay in gas taxes not go to repair roads that you don't drive on, or you just a dullard about race?

I do not fear reparations as reparations will not be paid by me. Colin Kaepernick is half Czech.

I don't remember a lot of Czechs signing the Declaration of Independence or being in the country before 1890
 

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could you provide some evidence proving where it is false? I'll happily wait.

If what you said was true there would be a lot more wealthy people in the world. I highly doubt Jeff Bezos is the hardest working person in the world, let alone his own company.


Success is a matter of perception. I'm not a billionaire, but I feel that I'm successful by my own standard. It's not a uniform thing. Others may feel I'm not successful and then others may feel that I'm rich.
 

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So I say systemic racism is currently dead and you respond saying we are still feeling the effects of the history of racism in this country. Those are 2 different arguments. I'll freely admit racism was a huge problem in this country, however that isnt true today. Although you probably think I'm a racist simply because I'm white. In that sense, I'm wrong about racism not existing today, its just different than what youd like to believe or talk about.

No, I presented evidence that systemic racism isn't dead. It's systemic. I shared one article because that's all that is needed to counter your point. If you have something factual to share, please do. No one is racist because they are white. Everyone has some racial bias but that doesn't make them racist.
 

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since you're so concerned about slavery what are you doing to stop African slavery?

Did you even watch what you posted. It was about the economic impacts of slavery of India, Japan and Britian. Somehow he correlates Britian didn't really have slavery because it was in the colonies and not modern day Britian. Evidently it doesn't count if you are only under their rule and don't actually exist in Britian. Not sure how this correlates to the offense of slavery or racism in America, but okay, cool video of an older white guy telling us about the economic success or impact of slavery of Japan, India and Britian.

Well, I don't live in Africa nor do I have any direct ties to Africa, so there really isn't much I can do about it other than donate money or time to organizations that work to improve it and the sex slave trade the exist all over the world, including America.

How are you helping?
 
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I don't think we're having the same conversation.


Did you even watch what you posted. It was about the economic impacts of slavery of India, Japan and Britian. Somehow he correlates Britian didn't really have slavery because it was in the colonies and not modern day Britian. Evidently it doesn't count if you are only under their rule and don't actually exist in Britian. Not sure how this correlates to the offense of slavery or racism in America, but okay, cool video of an older white guy telling us about the economic success or impact of slavery of Japan, India and Britian.
I don't think we're having the same conversation.

In what countries in 1776 were there no slaves?

I know the answer. You can look it up. And those countries in 1776 that didn't have slaves, most of them had colonies with slaves.

Of course I watched it.
 

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Success is a matter of perception. I'm not a billionaire, but I feel that I'm successful by my own standard. It's not a uniform thing. Others may feel I'm not successful and then others may feel that I'm rich.
I mean that is great and all, but how does your perception of success impact racism?
 
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I should have followed my own advice and not ventured into a political discussion. No ones mind will ever be changed and it's the truest form of an exercise in futility. Good night all.
 

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Om



In what countries in 1776 were there no slaves?

I know the answer. You can look it up. And those countries in 1776 that didn't have slaves, most of them had colonies with slaves.

Of course I watched it.
Well according to the guy in your video Britian didn't, except in the colonies which he somehow suggest isn't really the same as Britian having slaves. The audience let out at audible gasp and feedback. I'm not sure how you missed that if you watched it like you said.

I have a strange feeling you just googled videos of older white men discussing racism and slavery and thought it would be something that it wasn't.
 
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By informing ignorant liberals of the fact that Africa has the greatest amount of slavery of any continent on the planet.
And that makes slavery okay how exactly? How does slavery in Africa make racism in America tolerable? What does slavery in Africa have to do with the original flag being a symbol for a country !
allowing and supporting slavery. Other countries have higher impacts or sex slavery, should we be more okay with it in America? Using your logic sure sounds like it.
 
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Well according to the guy in your video Britian didn't, except in the colonies which he somehow suggest isn't really the same as Britian having slaves. The audience let out at audible gasp and feedback. I'm not sure how you missed that if you watched it like you said.

I have a strange feeling you just googled videos of older white men discussing racism and slavery and thought it would be something that it wasn't.

Wrong.

 

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And that makes slavery okay how exactly? How does slavery in Africa make racism in America tolerable? What does slavery in Africa have to do with the original flag being a symbol for a country !
allowing and supporting slavery. Other countries have higher impacts or sex slavery, should we be more okay with it in America? Using your logic sure sounds like it.

the point is in 1776 the only place on Earth without slavery was Western Europe. The next point is most of those countries had colonies with slaves therefore they're not guilt-free either. The point is slavery existed across the planet and was not just in the United States. Therefore the Czechoslovakian guy is wrong. But since this was a ploy to sell shoes to start with it really doesn't matter.
 
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but the sheer fact black men have to work much harder than there white counter parts and the fact they are paid on avg less than whites, proves racism alive and well.
Good grief. Pee myself, laughing. Sheer facts? how about the pandemic, among the worthless, lazy black men who reject their own children at rates not to be believed, a fatherless society in black America, and scarcely because of their desire to embrace work, achieve something truly successful. by these facts, it is just that black males exist disproportionately. Know that.
 
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And of course in 1861 began the bloodiest war in our history when Americans gave their lives to free existing slaves.

Except by that point in time Britain and Europe had long since abolished slavery.

C'mon, let's not pretend like our country was ahead of the curve there. Sadly and unfortunately, the American South was way behind the rest of the civilized world in ending that evil institution. And even then only did so because they lost a war while kicking and screaming in protest.

There really never was a time when our South sincerely acknowledged that slavery was wrong (which, btw, IS how it ended in countries like France (in 1794)and Britain (in 1833), they simply realized it was morally wrong and thus peacefully abolished it, something our South never did). Instead our South was forced to end it against their will, and then tried for many many decades thereafter to surreptitiously re-enact a form of it by such means as Jim Crow laws, awful sharecropperer contracts that were akin to de facto slavery, and blatantly corrupt voter suppression laws.
 
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the point is in 1776 the only place on Earth without slavery was Western Europe. The next point is most of those countries had colonies with slaves therefore they're not guilt-free either. The point is slavery existed across the planet and was not just in the United States. Therefore the Czechoslovakian guy is wrong. But since this was a ploy to sell shoes to start with it really doesn't matter.
I agree, but does it being global make it less of an issue or somehow okay? Does that somehow negate the damage done to slaves and generations of blacks, not to mention the huge stain on American history?
 
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Ok, any black man can succeed in this country if he's willing to work for it. There's my proof.

LMFAO!!!

Get this dude the hell out of here.

Is he 96 years old? Is the “2023” in his handle a reference to his great-great-granddaughter’s birth year? Who gave this guy internet access?
 

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Good grief. Pee myself, laughing. Sheer facts? how about the pandemic, among the worthless, lazy black men who reject their own children at rates not to be believed, a fatherless society in black America, and scarcely because of their desire to embrace work, achieve something truly successful. by these facts, it is just that black males exist disproportionately. Know that.
OK, COOL. So how does this make slavery and racism in America okay or tolerable?

What about all the black fathers who stay and raise theres? There are more of them than not. I can assure you in reality there are more white kids with absentee fathers than black ones in this country.
 
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I agree, but does it being global make it less of an issue or somehow okay? Does that somehow negate the damage done to slaves and generations of blacks, not to mention the huge stain on American history?

No it's not okay. 154 years removed I don't know how to change what was. Just don't have that figured out yet.
 

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LMFAO!!!

Get this dude the hell out of here.

Is he 96 years old? Is the “2023” in his handle a reference to his great-great-granddaughter’s birth year? Who gave this guy internet access?


Go smoke some more bro...
 

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No it's not okay. 154 years removed I don't know how to change what was. Just don't have that figured out yet.
You can't change it. No one is suggesting that, but we are suggesting you admit it was wrong, stop blaming Africa for slavery in America and strive to ensure equality going forward. Admit racism, while perhaps not as bad as it was pre civil rights era and during it, is still an issue in todays society and it's past time that ends. Stop being afraid of the R word and work to make at least your community a more civil place. And for God's sake, stop getting up in arms because a person peacefully demonstrates to bring further attention to it. It really isn't that hard.
 
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He had to specifically state that for it to be true??? His OWN mother stated he was wrong.... (Oh, for the inevitable post a link....here you go...)

Link

What do you think he was protesting? Do you think he was telling white people to go f*** off and burn america?
 

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OK, COOL. So how does this make slavery and racism in America okay or tolerable?

What about all the black fathers who stay and raise theres? There are more of them than not. I can assure you in reality there are more white kids with absentee fathers than black ones in this country.


Ignoring this issue is the biggest mistake being made today in the black community. Over 74% of white children live in a 2 parent home while only 38% of black children. This is an unbelievable statistic and one that should be given far more attention. Study after study concludes a child is FAR more likely to be uneducated, on drugs, and go to jail coming from a fatherless home. This is totally independent of race. The culture in the black community must change in this regard as this is holding black kids down far far far more than any white person.
 

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They don't feel pain and definitly aren't tortured. Not to mention it sure beats being neglegted, abused, tortured, starved and subjected to a system where you are likely to drop out of school, become addicted to drugs and become a violent criminal, likely to die a young age anyway, which is exactly what transpires of the countless kids in our foster care system and those put up for adoption today. A good percent of pregnancies are ended with medication. When a women miscarries is God really tortuing the embryo or fetus? Get a grip dude. Abortion has been legal almost 50 years and has been practiced long before that and always will be. Slavery ended for a reason. If you don't see a vast difference, I don't know what else to tell you.

A version of the flag that represented a country only free for white men is going to be offensive to many non-white men. Doesn't mean they are unAmerican or not patriotic, just means they want to see representation of it that includes everyone. Doesn't seem like that should be such a bad thing.


So, if you had to choose between your wife and unborn child and can only save one, which are you choosing? Why you afraid to answer?
Completely false on the pain issue.
 
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