Kaepernick finds a way to stay in the news
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the embryo doesn't even become a fetus until the 11th week. We can argue all day long, fact is you yourself have pointed that these instances are less than 10% and you have yet to provide any evidence for the % which were not medically necessary. Do you believe the womens life is less important than the embryo or fetus? If you could only save your wife or the fetus, which do you choose? Why won't you answer?
Sure it did. At one point it was actually used in deragatory ways. Where do you think he got it?
As a white man, why do you feel the need to tell black people about racism, slavery and black terminology and women about what to do with their bodies and lives? Who gives you this authority?
You are chasing a red herring. Almost no abortions are performed as medically necessary for the mother. I finally found stats for Florida which should be a large enough sample to be fairly accurate. One quarter of 1 percent of abortions were for the life of the mother.
I don't. I feel the need to educate you on the American flag. But that brought up the emotional response from you so I compared it favorably to abortion. You seem to not care that millions of babies were tortured to death - while feeling pain. I would think that would bother you especially since a huge percentage are black.
Not at all. So that was just in FL, I imagine the national number would be larger. I'll agree a large part of for medical reasons are pertaining to the embryo or fetus. Many times they have severe medical complications that will result in a very poor quality life, often very short term anyway. Would you really subject them and the parents to the birth just the have them all endure the inevitable and the suffering that goes with it. Would you honeslty subject the parents to the lifetime of care and suffereing having to deal with a child essentially born in a vegetative state? In all of those cases abortion is the humane thing to do. You are pretty cruel if you think otherwise.
So according to your FL stats, how many of those late term abortions were just women wanting to terminate a pregnancy because she simply did not want a baby?
i didnt post it.
but its not bringing it into everything.. it was a thread, clearly titled, that you didnt have to click. pretty simple, no?
in fact, i would argue, what nike did would be bringing politics into everything.
Im pro choice but the overwhelming majority of abortions are unrelated to health issues. Well over 90% happen in the first trimester and are purely due to the mother wanting to end the pregnancy. A very tiny amount are due to rape/incest/mother’s life endangered.
Lol, why would the percentage be higher nationally? I imagine that percentage is pretty stable. The stats did not say what stage the abortions happened at, but even if we assume all were 13+ weeks, that still leaves 8.5+%. Again, you are talking about tiny percentages. Fetal abnormalities make up 1% but many of those are 1st trimester abortions.
You aren't doing very well in this discussion.
They don't feel pain and definitly aren't tortured. Not to mention it sure beats being neglegted, abused, tortured, starved and subjected to a system where you are likely to drop out of school, become addicted to drugs and become a violent criminal, likely to die a young age anyway, which is exactly what transpires of the countless kids in our foster care system and those put up for adoption today. A good percent of pregnancies are ended with medication. When a women miscarries is God really tortuing the embryo or fetus? Get a grip dude. Abortion has been legal almost 50 years and has been practiced long before that and always will be. Slavery ended for a reason. If you don't see a vast difference, I don't know what else to tell you.
A version of the flag that represented a country only free for white men is going to be offensive to many non-white men. Doesn't mean they are unAmerican or not patriotic, just means they want to see representation of it that includes everyone. Doesn't seem like that should be such a bad thing.
So, if you had to choose between your wife and unborn child and can only save one, which are you choosing? Why you afraid to answer?
Those aren't late term though. He is referencing late term.
Not at all, I support not bringing more unwanted kids into the world.
If you are so up in arms over children, you should have not time to post on here as you should be out doing anything you can to support and help the counltess in orphanages and foster care. If it was actually about the kids you wouldn't have 20,000 plus posts on an anonymous message board, you would be out bettering their lives. It is about control others lives because your own is so pathetic.
Nope, not what I'm saying. I'm saying because someone plays sports, doesn't make their opinion more valuable.
He can say what he wants, I can say what I want. Doesn't matter to me if you like it or not.
I love this country. It's the best place on earth for opportunity and freedom.
He's exhibit A of what great country it is. Taken in by a family when he didn't have one and was able to become a pro athlete.
He wasnt hindered because of his race or any of his beliefs, yet for some reason he chooses to downgrade the very country that has allowed him the opportunity.
Yet even though he does that, he's still free to do so in this country. Greatest country on earth. God bless America
I’m a stathead. 91% is well over 90% to me.
At any rate, you missed my point completely, which doesn’t surprise me. I was backing you up.
Imaging and it being factual are too different things. FL has a much older population than most of the country, I would like to see national numbers.
Again, assuming isn't fact it's assumption. I need your factual evidence. You did base your beliefs on some kind of supporting evidence, correct?
Women don't get abortions beyond the first term very often at all, less than 9% of the time at worst, that doesn't indicate a willingness to abort but rather a resulting issue or complication. Again, please provide evidence of the number of women who abort completely voluntarily after 1st term. Just doesn't happen bud. Even you have proven that. 43 states have laws against it.
Again, if you had to choose between your spouse and unborn and can only save one, which are you choosing? You prove me correct with every dodge.
You aren't dealing with the sharpest tool in the shed in that one.
I'm not, my wife would probably choose to roll the dice. She finds the killing of babies abhorrent as any decent human being should. However to respond directly, in my research discussing this with you I came across a Dr. in Philly. He said he had 256 cases where he had to end a pregnancy prematurely. He also said that not 1 involved killing the baby. I'd say try to make it to 22 weeks and then deliver the baby, the rest is in Gods hands. As for the flag, it represented our nation, not a race. Oh, and that flag was basically a prototype. It was never an official United States flag. It's design was meant to represent the unity of the 13 colonies, race isn't mentioned. Oh, and speaking of that time period, John Adams and John Quincy Adams were our 2nd and 6th Presidents. They were absolutely opposed to slavery and our flags represented them too.
I find in these discussions that if a person really wants to be a victim, they will find any way to do so, regardless of the reality they live in. You are proving my point.
ok, 1% is well over in a range of 90-100, if that makes you feel better, lol.
I know you were backing me up, I was just clarifying before bluebrew decided to run with more nonsense.
Perhaps not but much sharper than the one I've been dealing with. That is clear for everyone to see.
Good Lord you're dense. I've had enough of this. You're so obtuse no one can carry on a discussion with you. So the Florida population is older, does that change age rates at which women have abortions? That was an idiotic statement on your part. Just take your fingers away from the keyboard and actually think about what you are saying with respect to the stats and then the older population. Wow is about all I can say.
Kaepernick is a hypocritical POS who idolizes lunatics like Che Guevara and Fidel Castro.
Good thing they are embryo and fetus. So a doctor said he ended 256 pregnancies and not 1 killing the baby? So you agree, it isn't killing a baby then?
Nah, my question is, if you knew it was either your wife or your unborn child and you had to make a quick decision, which life are you choosing? The living wife or the unborn?
The flag represented a nation where only white men wore free, the flag did not pick and choose who it represented. It reprseented an entire nation that allowed freedoms to white men and supressed everyone else. So yes, it represented white supremacy and slavery.
What am I being a victim of? I believe women should have a right to regulate their bodies and I think white people would be well suited to not attempt to inform black people about raciam, slavery or how they should feel about it.
Liberals have no quit. They can find anything objectionable. I suppose the current US flag is offensive, having also been our nation's flag during times prior to desegregation. What does it take to make such emotionally crisis-prone men comfortable with existence prior to their own deaths? Is it even possible? If not, why bother with them?
Ugh, you're daft. The Dr. delivered all of the babies. Trying to play with semantics isn't doing you any favors. I don't care what you think about racism, I think you see it everywhere and you cheapen what the term really means. As for your question, it doesn't work that way. It isn't an immediate decision and I did answer it. I would follow here wishes and I know what they are.
Yes, if the population is older, considerably in this case, you are going to have a skewed representation because you are going to have less occurrences. You also have an incredibly high immigrant population in FL. 2 issues arise from this, A: many immgrants do not seek medical attention because they fear legal repercussion. B: Hispanics tend to be devout Catholic which is very anti abortion. This factored with age skews from the average. I'm sorry you don't understand basic demographics and data manipulation.
Do you understand the difference in slavery and segregation?
Oh my God. You're another one just smart enough to think you're way smarter than you are. The stats are for abortions performed which has nothing to do with abortions not performed. A smart person would check stats before posting, but you aren't that. Florida has one of the highest abortion rates in the country. Care to explain that one Poindexter? Maybe all the older immigrant catholic women just like to kill babies. Sheesh, I can't wait for your explanation.
You eluded to the doctor ending a pregnancy. Inducing labor or performing a c-section isn't ending a pregnancy. Just like ending a pregnancy isn't murder.
It's one of the most populous states in the country. Not that hard to figure out. You are still ignoring the age and immigrant disparity. Is FL really the only state you can find? Their are 49 others plus DC. Surely to god you got something else besides FL to base your crazy assumptions. Abortions not performed aren't abortions, they wouldn't be calculated in any instance.
I think so. The point you had made was to a representation of freedom. Do you understand the difference in freedoms between the races prior to segregation, prior to the civil rights movement? Do you see what happens when you attempt an emphasis that allows for the application of additional meanings?
Bwahahaha. Guess again Poindexter. https://www.nrlc.org/federal/unbornvictims/statehomicidelaws092302/ In many states it is murder. The Dr. was being cute for the reader. He used a buzz phrase just for folks like you.
I have a question in regards to abortion. What if we took all of the resources currently being used to fight for ones right to abort and diverted those to educating and providing ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy in the first place, would it make a difference? It seems to me the whack jobs that want unrestricted abortions and Gov't funding to perform them, should instead be trying to prevent this whole problem in the first place. If all of these Hollywood elite idiots used their influence to promote good behavior and accountability, that would go way further in helping people.
You realize you're an idiot, right? Do you understand how they measure abortion rates? I'll give you a second to google it.
Wait, you just got funnier. I keep giving you reported stats from the health care industry and you provide none, but yet you say I'm making unsupported assumptions and you're dealing with facts. Not only are you an idiot, you're a narcissist.
Ok, thats long enough. For the class reading along, almost all of whom already know this, abortion rates are a percentage of abortions to women of reproducing age, I said that wrong. It doesn't matter how populous the state is and it certainly doesn't matter how old the state is. The actual abortion percentage, the percentage of pregnancies aborted, is even higher.
They weren't slaves!!! That's the difference. They did not have equal right, but that is far from being owned property? Do you seriously not understand a major difference?
Florida sorts reasons for abortions into eight general categories: life of the mother; physical health of the mother; emotional or psychological health of the mother; abnormality in the baby; rape; incest; social or economic concerns; and elective.
Abortions citing the mother’s emotional or psychological health climbed from 0.1 percent in 2016 to 1.3 percent in 2017 and 1.7 percent in 2018. Similarly, abortions categorized as due to the mother’s physical health jumped from 0.1 percent in 2016 to one percent in 2017 and 1.5 percent in 2018.
While still making up a small fraction of all abortions, abortions performed because of risk to the mother’s life, an abnormality in the baby, and a pregnancy resulting from incest also rose as a percent of the whole. Abortions because the mother’s life was in danger increased from 0.02 percent in 2016 to 0.2 percent in 2017 and 0.3 percent in 2018. Abortions due to an abnormality rose from 0.7 percent in 2016 to 0.9 percent in 2017 and one percent in 2018. Between 2009 and 2016, just three abortions were performed because of incest; in 2017, five abortions were performed due to incest, and in 2018, there were eight abortions because of incest. The only reason that showed little change was rape: abortions due to rape composed 0.1 percent of the total in 2018 but have fluctuated from 0.08 percent (2015) to 1.6 percent (2012) of all abortions reported in Florida.
According to this, of those less than 9% of abortions occuring after the 1st trimester, 6.2% of them are reported as medical, rape or incest. That kind of negates your argument that women are just out here aborting late term prenancies without medical or legal reason.
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