He's dating a muslim woman who condemns gays. He's converted to islam.
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He's dating a muslim woman who condemns gays. He's converted to islam.
You're right. I'm not black, so while I think I logically understand it, I guess I never will.
One issue that's pushing me to the right is this one. The fact that we are even having this conversation is irritating. I would never want to offend anyone purposefully, but it's just gone way too far, man.
The constant offense that everyone takes to everything is absolutely exhausting.
I have never once heard of the original US flag being associated with slavery or "representing a pro-slavery nation". Not one time in my 40 years on this planet have I heard anyone make the connection. That's a huge leap IMO. It represents freedom, independence, etc...you know all of those founding father ideals that made this country what it is.
Were we a pro-slavery nation back then? Sure, for the most part I guess, but that flag wasn't created as a symbol of that notion.
Our flag then didn't represent slavery either, any more than our current flag represents abortion. A practice just as awful as slavery, but legal.
I wasn't trying to fight with you. I just think you're extending credit to him where it shouldn't exist. I interpret what he said differently than you do. No biggie.
I don't disagree about people getting offended about ridiculous things, and if Kaep was saying he was offended by the colors or the number 13 or something trivial I would completely agree, but in this case it is valid. The flag represented a nation that allowed and promoted slavery for centuries. It represented freedom for white men, that was it. Black men, hispanic men, indian men and women did not enjoy those same freedoms and independence. You seem to missing this part of it. Which is what makes it offensive to non white men. The founders got some things right and others not so much. That is why we have added 17 amendements since the intial 10.
The swastika symbol was used for a great deal many of things before being associated with Nazi Germany. It is still considered offensive, and for good reason, even though not all Germans believed as Hitler or supported his leadership. Do you not see the parallel?
Abortion is voluntary and far from slavery. You should go ask a victim of slavery if they would have prefered being aborted instead.
You equating an embryo that can't feel, hear, see, breathe or so forth to a living breathing human, that was tortured, beaten, hung, fed to animals, raped, buried alive, burned and owned by fellow humans is interesting to say the least.
White male. Am I right?
You should go ask a victim of abortion no wait.
As for victims of slavery, most of those are in Africa currently, as no one can talk to a dead man.
They would have to be an actual person. Embryo aren't people. If you care so much about actual babies, there are millions available for adoption that were born to parents who did not want them or neglected and abused them. Instead of wasting time telling women what they should do with their bodies perhaps go adopt or care for some of those kids.
Are you going to Africa to talk to slave victims?
And late-term abortions are just embryos to you huh?
Already have! Would love the chance to go back.
Late term abortions are only done in cases of emergency which is why people who use that fallacy can never provide any evidence of these 3rd term abortions happening regularly.Would you subject the women to die in place of the fetus if only 1 could survive? Why is the unborn life more important than the mothers to you?
I know you'll try to utilize some conspiracy video to attempt and promote otherwise, but be careful, those all have evidence proving them fake.
You can call us black, we are fine with that too.
You can call yourself whatever you want, it's white people dumbasses who labeled us as African-Americans generations ago and have continued to do so since. :joy:
2nd and 3rd trimester abortions make up roughly 10.3% of all abortions. There have been roughly 46M abortions since the early 70's. That is roughly 5M 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions. Only about 600K slaves came to the United States.
Last part of last sentence shows you are not to be taken seriously. Lost any credibility.
Orange Man Bad!
Just messin with ya man.
My Achilles heel has always been trolls. I entertain them too much.
He had already lost everything. no where to go but up. Selfish opportunity posturing.
And how many of those were medically neccessary as opposed voluntary?
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about 1.3 percent of abortions were performed at or greater than 21 weeks of gestation in 2015. In contrast, 91.1 percent were performed at or before 13 weeks and 7.6 percent at 14 to 20 weeks.
These percentages are similar to estimates by the Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit research center that supports abortion rights. Guttmacher found that 1.3 percent of abortions took place at or over 21 weeks out of a total of 926,200 abortions in 2014.
Also, 43 states have laws against or limiting late term abortion and evn cover certain items under infanticide laws.
600k is quite a lot of human lifes to be selling? Do you disagree? Why do they mean less than embryos? Also, how many were born here? Counting only those transported and neglecting those born and raised into it is pretty ignorant, as is discrediting the thousands that were brought in and traded illegally.
Middle aged, educated white male to be exact. That changes nothing. Babies, and that is what they are, start to feel pain VERY early. I hate to break that to you.
Unborn babies can feel pain by 20 weeks gestation or earlier
- The old, uninformed notions that unborn and newborn babies could not feel pain are refuted by a growing body of scientific evidence. The published scientific literatureshows that unborn babies can experience pain at 20 weeks gestational age (20 weeks LMP, since Last Menstrual Period, the fetal age estimate used by most obstetricians) or earlier. There are two common methods used to measure the age of an unborn baby: Probable post-fertilization age (PPF, used by embryologists) measures the age of the unborn baby from the actual date of conception, while gestational age measures from the first day of the mother’s last menstrual period (LMP, approx. two weeks before conception). Medical practitioners have been using the latter method as standard medical practice for decades, and for the purpose of this paper ages refer to gestational age unless otherwise indicated.
- Embryological development shows presence of pain sensory mechanisms and neurophysiology. The basic anatomical organization of the human nervous system is established by 6 weeks .[1] The earliest neurons in the cortical brain (the part responsible for thinking, memory, and other higher functions) are established starting at 6 weeks .[2] Nerve synapses for spinal reflex are in place by 10 weeks .[3]Sensory receptors for pain (nociception) develop first around the mouth at 7 weeks , and are present throughout the skin and mucosal surfaces by 20 weeks .[4]Connections between the spinal cord and the thalamus (which functions in pain perception in fetuses as well as in adults[5]) are relatively complete by 20 weeks .[6]
- In contradiction of the claim that the brain cortex is necessary to experience pain and suffering, decordate individuals as well as animals lacking higher cortical structures obviously do feel pain. In fact, the human brain cortex does not fully mature until approximately 25 years of age, yet infants, children, and teenagers obviously can experience pain.[7]
- Fetal reactions provide evidence of pain response. The unborn baby reacts to noxious stimuli with avoidance reactions and stress responses. As early as 8 weeks the baby exhibits reflex movement during invasive procedures.[8] There is extensive evidence of a hormonal stress response by unborn babies as early as 18 weeks [9]including “increases in cortisol, beta-endorphin, and decreases in the pulsatility index of the fetal middle cerebral artery.”[10] Two independent studies in 2006 used brain scans of the sensory part of unborn babies’ brains, showing response to pain.[11] They found a “clear cortical response” and concluded there was “the potential for both higher-level pain processing and pain-induced plasticity in the human brain from a very early age.”
- Ruth Grunau, a pediatric psychologist at the University of British Columbia, said, “We would seem to be holding an extraordinary standard if we didn’t infer pain from all those measures.”[12]
- Brain responses & connections. In 2013 a study used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to study the brains of healthy human babies still within the womb, from 24-39 weeks . They found that functional neuronal connections sufficient to experience pain already exist by 24 weeks .[13]
- Increased sensitivity to pain. In 2010 one group noted that “the earlier infants are delivered, the stronger their response to pain.”[14] This increased sensitivity is due to the fact that the neural mechanisms that inhibit pain sensations do not begin to develop until 34-36 weeks , and are not complete until a significant time after birth.[15] This means that unborn, as well as newborn and preterm, infants show “hyperresponsiveness” to pain.[16] Authors of a 2015 study used the fMRI technique to measure pain response in newborns (1-6 days old) vs. adults (23-36 years old), and found that “the infant pain experience closely resembles that seen in adults.” [17]Babies had 18 out of 20 brain regions respond like adults, yet they showed much greater sensitivity to pain, responding at a level four times as sensitive as adults.
Unborn babies are treated as patients by fetal surgeons, and receive pain medication
- Fetal surgeons recognize unborn babies as patients. A leading children’s hospital performed nearly 1,600 fetal surgeries between 1995 and June 2017.[18] Perinatal medicine now treats unborn babies as young as 18 weeks for dozens of conditions. Pain medication for unborn patients is routinely administered as standard medical practice.[19]
- One of the premier fetal surgeons makes the obvious point: “Fetal therapy is the logical culmination of progress in fetal diagnosis. In other words, the fetus is now a patient.”[20]
- A European fetal surgery team states: “The administration of anesthesia directly to the fetus is critical in open fetal surgery procedures.”[21]
- The leading textbook on clinical anesthesia says: “It is clear that the fetus is capable of mounting a physiochemical stress response to noxious stimuli as early as 18 weeks.”[22]
- A recent review of the evidence concludes that from the 15th week of gestation onward, “the fetus is extremely sensitive to painful stimuli, and that this fact should be taken into account when performing invasive medical procedures on the fetus. It is necessary to apply adequate analgesia to prevent the suffering of the fetus.”[23]
- A prenatal surgery group that has performed many fetal surgeries informs the mother before the surgery:[24] “You will be given general anesthesia, and that anesthesia will put your baby to sleep as well. In addition, during the prenatal surgery, your unborn baby will be given an injection of pain medication and medication to ensure that the baby doesn’t move.”
Babies are surviving and thriving at ever younger pre-term ages when given appropriate care and treatment
- Survival of extremely preterm infants has increased significantly as doctors realize the advantages of active care for such young patients. The ages of survival have dropped from 28 weeks to 24 weeks and now less than 22 weeks.[25]
- Groundbreaking New England Journal of Medicine study demonstrated that babies delivered as young as 22 weeks can survive, and active intervention for treatment greatly improves their survival.[26]
- An NIH-funded study of infants who were delivered at 22-24 weeks and who received active treatment observed increasing rates of survival without any neurological impairment. Yet, three-fourths of those delivered at 22 weeks still received no active care.[27]
- 60% of infants born at 22 weeks who receive active hospital treatment will survive.[28]
So a black man uses a term white men gave to black people as early as the 1700s and it's some how the black guys fault.
So, 9% by your numbers are 2nd/3rd trimester. Thats 4M+. Slavery was terrible, I never disputed that. I disputed that our flag ever represented slavery. You could, however, make a case for the Confederate flag representing slavery. They lost to the other flag.
I never claimed fault. It was the term Jesse preferred and the term he pushed.So a black man uses a term white men gave to black people as early as the 1700s and it's some how the black guys fault.
I’m confused here. How am I an established troll? Also, what am I doing to make anyone angry at a former KY player?
9% by my numbers? Wtf? 1.3 were performed in what is considerd late term. You just posted an article sourced and everything saying they don't even feel pain until 20 weeks. Only 1.3 are occuring after that point, which are medically necessary. You just proved its not even then problem you are claiming.
It was a term he was subjected because of his race, most black people prefer to identify as black. How is it black peoples fault or problem white people labeled us as African American?
You clearly skimmed it. Pain receptors are in place around the mouth at 7 weeks, it progresses until they are fully sensing pain by 20 weeks. The data clearly showed that at 13 weeks, they are responding to painful stimuli. If you want to have the debate, at least fully read what is presented. So, 1.3 and 7.6 is 8.9...close enough.
This thread has become like 4 different threads merged together. Don't think that post was directed at you.
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