Military strikes have begun in Iran

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QuaoarsKing

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I'm shocked, shocked I say, to see you arguing dishonestly.

Don't type things I didn't say and then make a stupid point about it like you accomplished something.
... what?

You listed 5 media organizations, leaving out many others, and then said "If you're honest, it'll be one to the right and everybody else to the left."

OK, but you left out OAN and Newsmax, or it would have been 3 to the right. And then you go on to say that your more "far right" friends watch other networks (presumably OAN and Newsmax, but feel free to say otherwise).
 

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... what?

You listed 5 media organizations, leaving out many others, and then said "If you're honest, it'll be one to the right and everybody else to the left."

OK, but you left out OAN and Newsmax, or it would have been 3 to the right. And then you go on to say that your more "far right" friends watch other networks (presumably OAN and Newsmax, but feel free to say otherwise).
Posted a media bias chart on another response. There are ways to validate that there are plenty on both sides. You will not convince cult members that there is truth beyond the leader…
 

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Previous admin 2020-2024 was clueless and nutless. Quit watching Communist News Network out of Atlanta.
I’d say the last three have been clueless, W wasn’t much better, and then Clinton was clueless. The last competent administration was Bush One.
 
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My concern is that air strikes alone haven't seemed to work in the past. This could turn into a long drawn out affair.
 

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I’d say the last three have been clueless, W wasn’t much better, and then Clinton was clueless. The last competent administration was Bush One.
W and his invasion of Iraq gave us the Iran of today. Saddam might have been a homicidal dicatator but he kept Iran in check who has proven to be worse.
 

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LOL Your "chart" says CNN is left leaning but Fox News is far right . Looks like we need a chart that rates charts **
That’s about right actually. CNN has changed in the last couple of years, and so has Fox. It used to be CNN was hard left and Fox was mild right.
 

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The Office Thank You GIF

I don’t give a fúck who is in power. The unified executive theory has gained too much traction. I said it when Bush was in office, I said it when Obama was in office, I’ll say it until I am blue in the face. The balance of power has shifted to wildly to the Executive and if you disagree with that don’t ***** when a Democrat is throwing Executive orders that are unconstitutional too.
Glad I am not alone. It drives me insane and I hate the excuse “they do it to.”
 
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L4Dawg

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W and his invasion of Iraq gave us the Iran of today. Saddam might have been a homicidal dicatator but he kept Iran in check who has proven to be worse.
Jimmy Carter gave us the Iran of today. They were doing this stuff long before Iraq fell.
 

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Posted a media bias chart on another response. There are ways to validate that there are plenty on both sides. You will not convince cult members that there is truth beyond the leader…

What's telling is you seem to think I and others are in a cult and you're not. I criticize Trump plenty. I'm very concerned this may go terribly. I don't trust either party at all.

But it's very obvious to many of us not in a cult which side is more dangerous to the future of this country. I'm much more against the left than I am for the right and this is not an uncommon view.

At least try to know your "enemy" and understand yourself.
 

FormerBully

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That’s been my complaint about people running for office. “I want to slash the wasteful shítty government!!”
Then why do you work so hard and spend so much money trying to work for it? And when you get there, why don’t you leave?
I am in the same boat. The current system has pushed me to the libertarian party. No matter who has power they spend. Republicans are the same as the democrats.
 

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Jimmy Carter candy *** should have turn that country to glass, but he did not and every administration from him to Trump has let those crazy mother ******* run amuck. The middle east is behind us. They know they got to go. The people of Iran want their government to go. It is time, it has been time for this to happen. Their people have been wanting us to help them since Clinton was in office. Now they got it. They should take advantage of it.
 
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Jimmy Carter candy *** should have turn that country to glass, but he did not and every administration from him to Trump has let those crazy mother ******* run amuck. The middle east is behind us. They know they got to go. The people of Iran want their government to go. It is time, it has been time for this to happen. Their people have been wanting us to help them since Clinton was in office. Now they got it. They should take advantage of it.
Pro-war Americans said this every time (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.) and then it turns out to be wrong. Even all of the 2011 revolutions that we didn't get directly involved in didn't change anything.

Most "third world" people would rather live under their own corrupt/oppressive governments than a "free" one imposed by foreigners.
 

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Pro-war Americans said this every time (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.) and then it turns out to be wrong. Even all of the 2011 revolutions that we didn't get directly involved in didn't change anything.

Most "third world" people would rather live under their own corrupt/oppressive governments than a "free" one imposed by foreigners.
They want that government gone. This is not 2003. Those middle east countries will step in and do what we don't want to do. We are just getting their asses out. Hate him or love him TRump is not Bush.
 
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What's telling is you seem to think I and others are in a cult and you're not. I criticize Trump plenty. I'm very concerned this may go terribly. I don't trust either party at all.

But it's very obvious to many of us not in a cult which side is more dangerous to the future of this country. I'm much more against the left than I am for the right and this is not an uncommon view.

At least try to know your "enemy" and understand yourself.
I could not have said this better. The fact is the left is very aware of this but finds it somehow more beneficial for them to portray anybody that doesn't vote for them as being in a cult .
 
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I agree with you, but I also think the Congress is possibly at its most dysfunctional point in history (acknowledging I didn't live through all of its history). Certainly in my kinda long lifetime.
I think our whole system is dysfunctional currently. That includes congress, senate, and president, they serve highest bidder and not the people. Trump won because he was a middle finger to the system. Unfortunately he has become part of the system.
 
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No one is saying that every Trump supporter is in a cult, but I don't think you'll deny that there's a large chunk of them who will reflexively shut down and cry "TDS" at any criticism of him, no matter how valid or mild.
 

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I think our whole system is dysfunctional currently. That includes congress, senate, and president, they serve highest bidder and not the people. Trump won because he was a middle finger to the system. Unfortunately he has become part of the system.
Trump is a billionaire. He has ALWAYS been part of the system. He is the biggest insider ever to hold the office.
 
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QuaoarsKing

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They want that government gone. This is not 2003. Those middle east countries will step in and do what we don't want to do. We are just getting their asses out. Hate him or love him TRump is not Bush.
You don't have to go back to 2003. Go back to 2021, when we withdrew from Afghanistan after 20 years there, and it took weeks for the country to willingly go back to the brutal and repressive Taliban, rather than the functional democracy we set up for them. And this is despite the fact that the majority of Afghans were born after 2001 and had never personally experienced it.

Or go back to last month where Trump supporters insisted that Venezuelans wanted to overthrow the government and establish a democracy, but instead we just swapped out Maduro for his VP and left the government in place.

The Iranian people aren't going to be any different. Maybe we'll kill the ayatollah, maybe there will be some superficial changes, but they're never going to adopt a government that we want for them.
 

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You don't have to go back to 2003. Go back to 2021, when we withdrew from Afghanistan after 20 years there, and it took weeks for the country to willingly go back to the brutal and repressive Taliban, rather than the functional democracy we set up for them. And this is despite the fact that the majority of Afghans were born after 2001 and had never personally experienced it.

The Iranian people aren't going to be any different. Maybe we'll kill the ayatollah, maybe there will be some superficial changes, but they're never going to adopt a government that we want for them.
No, but we might get one that would leave the rest of the world alone.
 

mstateglfr

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This is simply not true, and no I'm not wasting time debating you on it.

I watch some form of PBS content almost every day, and when I happen to catch anything from them news related it is dripping with obvious bias. I could give a dozen other examples but it wouldn't sway you in the least so...moving on.
Media is more than TV. A lot more.
Print, online news site, social media and youtube, radio, podcasts.

TV is just one branch of 'media'.

Just try to keep that in mind when testing this opinion of yours from time to time.
 

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I have great friends with their go bags heading to the bomb shelter as I type in Dubai. The hotel on fire it too close for comfort. It was probably an interceptor or debris and I doubt Dubai is a direct target. Either way...we got missles going over Americans. Small battle/no troops is little comfort for them right now.
Well I bet you that scenario is much better than a strong militarized Iran.

err I KNOW it’s better than Iran having anything that can cause destruction.
 

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The whole purpose of our policy in Iran has been containment since we lost our oil puppet the former Shah in 1979 - and honestly, we've been more than successful playing that game.
it would be great if this ended up helping the Iranian people- and it might, after several million of them die. IMG_5779.jpeg
 
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He was just kidding around then. He thinks of newer better ways to make things great every night. It’s not insanity or lack of planning or that he’s a dumb as a box of rocks mob boss who just does $hite and lies non-stop…
What’s dumb as a box of rocks is making threats and negotiating without any back bone.

peace through strength is logical and smart.
 
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GloryDawg

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You don't have to go back to 2003. Go back to 2021, when we withdrew from Afghanistan after 20 years there, and it took weeks for the country to willingly go back to the brutal and repressive Taliban, rather than the functional democracy we set up for them. And this is despite the fact that the majority of Afghans were born after 2001 and had never personally experienced it.

Or go back to last month where Trump supporters insisted that Venezuelans wanted to overthrow the government and establish a democracy, but instead we just swapped out Maduro for his VP and left the government in place.

The Iranian people aren't going to be any different. Maybe we'll kill the ayatollah, maybe there will be some superficial changes, but they're never going to adopt a government that we want for them.
Trump is not Biden. We will not put ground troop in Iran just like we did not put any in the Gaza strip. I don't care if you agree with me or not but that government has to go. Outside of China, Russia and their cronies every government agrees. Even the people of Iran want to be free of them. We will not have to put troops in there. Trump said to the Iranian people it is up to you take control and rule yourself. He's not putting troop in.
 

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It’s poorly timed. They did all the talking and sabre rattling a couple of months ago and there were uprisings in Iran spurred on by that but now it almost feels too late. Strike while the iron is hot if you’re going to do it.
Except that’s part of why he is striking. He told them not to target and harm civilians. They did.
 

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Thank you. For those of us that really believe in small central government, this is extraordinarily painful to watch.
Agreed.
I will add that I think this should be extraordinarily painful to watch for those who believe in any size government that respects the branches responsibilities.
It's that last part, the respect part, that seems to be largely gone right now and has been shrinking for years.
 
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You spend the whole week bragging about how much you read the Bible and rely solely on the Bible to give you your beliefs and worldview, and then you say things like this?

Come on man, this is why so many Americans never take Christians seriously.
I didn’t brag about reading the Bible a lot. I said the Bible is the source of truth when it comes to Christianity and not what a church says. Still a fact. Always will be.

Yes I sinned by reacting to glfr and I shouldn’t have. But he makes it really hard sometimes. I’ll try and do better but I’m sure he’ll do or say something really stupid and hypocritical again that will set me off.
 
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