Manny over Rhule any day.
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Last I looked PSU wasn't ranked let alone top 10 and can't remember when the talent and depth on a PSU has been this low. The lack of development and depth is beyond shocking.
I would agree with this 100%, but Franklin was checked out.
Look at W/L records over the last ten years. If you aren't going to upgrade (and it looks like we aren't) you don't take apart a top ten program- unless you're pretty dumb.
That would make me ask "why?"
BTW, I think you're right. But it's odd that nobody is asking why.
I’m happy to share my perspective, though I believe we would likely reach the same conclusion. Regardless of where the fault lies, I do believe the relationship was beyond repair.
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So you just let Franklin nosedive the program into the ground.... stupid is letting him stick around collecting 10 million a year when he has checked out
That 4-8 record we are going to have this year would have happened just as likely if we had kept Franklin: He mismanaged the roster and flat out recruited poorly and lopsidedly with far too many defensive backs, hardly any capable linebackers and an entire fleet of badly undersized defensive tackles. Not to mention his horrendous wide receivers coach and really only 2 receivers left on this roster who can actually make plays down the field, one of them a portal. Franklin buried himself, and it wasn't going to turn back around. The firing was a good move, and frankly nearly all of the names on these lists are upgrades EXCEPT RHULE.
I feel like that’s a bit of a broad brush to paint Franklin’s teams. We had some pretty good, tough players. There’s been plenty of tough players in the program during Franklin’s tenure. Maybe this years team is what people are measuring it by. But even now, my buddy (ND fan) texted me during the Oregon game and said, “Boy these Penn State safeties like to hit.”
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Sack up. You’ll read them and like it!
I keep reading not to worry that a new coach can quickly turn over the roster with portal players to instantly be good again? Couldn’t Franklin have done that as well?
Yes he could but based on his loyalty to players and playing them that most likely was never going to happen.
But that’s all conjecture. That’s you making assumptions. Maybe this year was a humbling experience and he would realize that he needed to change the roster to get better? People forget that Paterno was stubbornly loyal to upperclassmen too. After getting his *** handed to him for four years in the early 2000’s, he changed his perspective and went out and got some game changing true freshman and played them immediately. This was outside of Paterno’s norm and it took him a long time to get on board with it.
You are making assumptions as well... touche. Bottom line he is gone. Time to move onto a new coach and see what he can do. Going to be fun to watch. Enjoy the off weekend.
It’s pretty easy to remember when the talent and depth was far worse than now. 2000-2004 and 2014-2015.
I’m not making any assumptions. No touche. I’m having a conversation with you. We can have a conversation without becoming defensive and dismissive, no? You make a good point that it wasn’t his normal tendencies, but I made the point that sometimes people are humbled into changing their ways. Paterno did. Why couldn’t Franklin? Only a new HC can do turn over the roster and make it better? That may or may not be true. Time will tell. For the record. I think Cignetti is a fantastic coach, but I think he caught lightning in a bottle by bringing 31 players with him to IU last year and 18 new players this year. Many from last year were from a national championship caliber (FCS) team at JMU that had massive success there. They weren’t random guys from the portal. They had played together and bought into his system, unlike Deion trying to do it at Colorado and falling on his face. I’m not sure another coach will be able to do what Cignetti did.
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He can flat-out coach. Bama really doesn't appreciate how good he is, because he followed Saban there. But DeBoer would definitely be a homerun hire for Penn State.
He could have but he didn’t want to. That was the beginning of the end of his relationship with his boss
Well, because he went 13-3 and made the semifinals last year and thought he had something?
He would be a no brainer. 7-1 vs top ten teams.
It ain't difficult to see.
The first time anyone told (former)HCJF "No", he checked out. Not surprising given how many times he was always told "Yes".
The fact you had to even explain that is kind of crazy. This site is fun for oddball discussions maybe, but not really good for football.
Well myself and many others blamed that all on Sandy when in-fact it was a BOT decision. I apologize to Sandy now.
Right? He gets criticized now for not using the transfer portal and being too loyal to his own guys….yet all three starting WRs are portal players…playing over his own guys. And now that he’s gone everyone is clamoring to play the Franklin guys at WR. You can’t make this stuff up.
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Crazy is not recognizing that if he "thought he had something" he was dead freaking wrong.... so could he do it for next year?
I only know one letterman, and if he has inside info he has not divulged it to me, but I’m guessing:
- IF Urban was option #1 (and I think he was the top “known commodity” available), I think it would have been done and announced by now, so…
- I think the hire will be one of the more desirable names on the list of current coaches given the amount of time that has passed. Coaches having current success won’t have the announcement of this move escape prior to playoffs, so I think we will be hanging in limbo for quite some time, and that may actually be a good sign.
- Nothing personal at all, but if it’s Rhule after all this I’m going to have to rinse the puke out of my mouth.
- I really like coach Smith and would love to see him lead the team to some success in the remaining games.
- IF Urban was option #1 (and I think he was the top “known commodity” available), I think it would have been done and announced by now, so…
- I think the hire will be one of the more desirable names on the list of current coaches given the amount of time that has passed. Coaches having current success won’t have the announcement of this move escape prior to playoffs, so I think we will be hanging in limbo for quite some time, and that may actually be a good sign.
- Nothing personal at all, but if it’s Rhule after all this I’m going to have to rinse the puke out of my mouth.
- I really like coach Smith and would love to see him lead the team to some success in the remaining games.
Nebraska fan here... I can't believe the words 'Matt Rhule' are being written or spoken by anyone in terms of him going to Penn State. He's as soft as baby $#lT on a rainy 95 degree day.
JFC... I hope Rhule leaves... the dude is a fraud.
JFC... I hope Rhule leaves... the dude is a fraud.
He couldn't win big games. Time and time again. Sample size was huge and he was given more than enough opportunity.
3 new WRs playing over Franklin guys.
1 new OL playing over Franklin guys,
1 new LB playing over Franklin guys,
1 new DE/DT with some playing time
1 new S (sort of) playing over Franklin guys
1 new DT playing backup role with some playing time.
I’m not sure I completely buy the narrative that Franklin didn’t want to use the portal and was only loyal to his guys.
Did you add the first line you “copied”? That wasn’t in the original conversation. You can twist the conversation however you want. You made up your mind, I get it, but thinking that only a new coach can turn over the roster successfully is a bit questionable.
- Michigan had two with starting careers in the NFL: Tom Brady and Jim Harbaugh
- UGA (Matthew Stafford, still an NFL starter)
- USC has had many drafted. Probably the only ones with NFL longevity were Pat Haden, Rodney Peete, and Matt Cassell