Trick plays!!!!Originally posted by LineSkiCat:
I don't think there's a player I feel worse for than JJ Watt. He was instrumental in keeping his team alive and at 13-0, at least as far as Defensive players go... and then they go absolutely dumb for 3 minutes and are down 13-24.
Three minutes... 24 points...
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Agreed, but then again, it's not like many other people beside myself even bring up other teams. I tried to get conversations about the Texans, Jets, Giants, and Pats going and got nothing.
So go ahead and start talking about your team. I'm a Bengals guy but I love talking about NFL in general so I'll chime in.
If anyone needs anymore proof that the Titans' front office is dumber than a box of rocks, look no further than the trade today. Akeem Ayers, a second round pick from just a few years ago was traded to the Pats today. What did the Titans get in return? Nothing. Only a SWAP in 6th and 7th round picks. Now, I know Ayers isn't a great player by any means, but he's a good young player who has a lot of potential in the right situation. Worth at least an additional 6 or 7, not just a pick swap. Ruston Webster shows his intelegance yet again.
When you actually look at the details the Ayers deal isn't too bad. First off, a player is worth what someone is willing to pay for him. It's easy to sit back and say "he's worth a third re pick" but if no other team thinks he's worth it then what's the point. Ayers is not worth that much. He's a guy that doesn't fit the current system. You are paying him a 2nd rd draft pick salary to ride the bench. His contract is up this yr and then he becomes an UFA. So basically if you can trade him for a cheese pizza, it's better than getting nothing....which is what you would get after this yr. The Titans shopped around and found a buyer. It's not a blockbuster deal but it's better than nothing.
About Webster. We just don't know about him yet. I think his drafts are much better than previous regimes. He knows talent. He was head of college scouting for the Bucs when they won the Superbowl and he helped bring in many of the players who are on the Seahawks right now. He's only been on the job for a couple hrs now. The Munchak experiment was not good, but Whiz is an offensive genius and proven HC. And they have a proven really good DC. The problem is talent which will take a few yrs to get. I do like what Webster did during this offseason, but I think he needs to do another one this next one.
About Webster. We just don't know about him yet. I think his drafts are much better than previous regimes. He knows talent. He was head of college scouting for the Bucs when they won the Superbowl and he helped bring in many of the players who are on the Seahawks right now. He's only been on the job for a couple hrs now. The Munchak experiment was not good, but Whiz is an offensive genius and proven HC. And they have a proven really good DC. The problem is talent which will take a few yrs to get. I do like what Webster did during this offseason, but I think he needs to do another one this next one.
Originally posted by UK_Memphis:
Originally posted by LineSkiCat:
I don't think there's a player I feel worse for than JJ Watt. He was instrumental in keeping his team alive and at 13-0, at least as far as Defensive players go... and then they go absolutely dumb for 3 minutes and are down 13-24.
Three minutes... 24 points...
I immediately started thinking about the idiotic "trick plays" whining last night. I mean, what do people think play action and the Wildcat are? Do teams come up to the line and yell, "Hey defense, we are going to run a sweep to the right on this play!". The purpose is to keep a defense off balance, and get people out of position.
And now breaking news comes last night night that Zach Mettenberger will start Sunday. Hope it goes well, the kid had a good preseason. Tells me the team has thrown the white flag on the season. Top 5 pick here we come. And I've also been very impressed with Williamson.
I'm looking forward to seeing Mett. Whiz favors big pocket QB's with cannons. J-Lock's fit was a little off. Whiz has a lengthy track record of preferring guys like Mett.
-drafted Big Ben (6'5" 240#) for Pittsburgh and was the OC.
-In Arizona - Kurt Warner (only 6'2" 220#.....but Whiz inherited him). Whiz drafted John Skelton (6'6" 250#) and signed Derek Anderson (6'6" 240#).....Then drafted Ryan Lindley (6'5" 240#)
-San Diego - resurrected Philip Rivers' (6'5" 230#) career in San Diego
If Mett doesn't work out, I wonder who the staff will target in the draft?
-Sean Mannion (6'5" 225#) from Oregon St looks like the best fit for Whiz
-other possibilities are Kevin Hogan (Stanford), Hundley (UCLA), Cook (MSU), Winston (FSU - please no!), Mariota (Oregon)
-drafted Big Ben (6'5" 240#) for Pittsburgh and was the OC.
-In Arizona - Kurt Warner (only 6'2" 220#.....but Whiz inherited him). Whiz drafted John Skelton (6'6" 250#) and signed Derek Anderson (6'6" 240#).....Then drafted Ryan Lindley (6'5" 240#)
-San Diego - resurrected Philip Rivers' (6'5" 230#) career in San Diego
If Mett doesn't work out, I wonder who the staff will target in the draft?
-Sean Mannion (6'5" 225#) from Oregon St looks like the best fit for Whiz
-other possibilities are Kevin Hogan (Stanford), Hundley (UCLA), Cook (MSU), Winston (FSU - please no!), Mariota (Oregon)
Mannion and Hundley are garbage. Hogan I've never seen play, so I can't comment either way. Cook is Meh. Makes some great throws, but also makes some decisions that make you scratch your head. Winston may be my favorite. Would be hands down the #1 pick if he wasn't such a bonehead. Mariota is also a very good option. I'd also throw Bryce Petty in the conversation.
Best case scenario though is Mett plays well, and we can draft a defensive stud with our first pick.
Best case scenario though is Mett plays well, and we can draft a defensive stud with our first pick.
2 very strategic moves by Tennessee. Mett will make it there, he has weapons that are very capable, and truth be told a guy like Sankey will look better with a stable QB that is more accurate like Mett.
He will struggle, like a rookie, but Tennessee will be better for this move.
On a side note, one thing I hate about the NFL is the TE trend. My damn Lions draft a TE every year and they don't use them really! We got 2, TWO TE's that are 1st round picks and use neither!!!! Not everyone has to become the Patriots, K!!! Plz and thank you.
He will struggle, like a rookie, but Tennessee will be better for this move.
On a side note, one thing I hate about the NFL is the TE trend. My damn Lions draft a TE every year and they don't use them really! We got 2, TWO TE's that are 1st round picks and use neither!!!! Not everyone has to become the Patriots, K!!! Plz and thank you.
Haven't seen Mannion play but he has the skillset that fits Whiz the best out of the ones I mentioned. I have seen Hundley play. He is not garbage. He's a really good prospect. Good size, strong arm strength, good mobility, does a good job going through progressions (when he has time), good accuracy, exceptional work ethic, extremely tough/durable, and elite level character and leadership skills. His problem is the team around him. He's one of the most sacked QB's in the Pac 12 b/c his supporting cast is extremely disappointing.
However I don't know if Whiz would target him. Hundley is sorta like Locker. He's more dual threat than Whiz generally likes.
However I don't know if Whiz would target him. Hundley is sorta like Locker. He's more dual threat than Whiz generally likes.
Nice comeback by the Lions. No Calvin or Reggie and Fairley goes down in the 1st and still get the W, could t be more happy.
Sounds like Tampa is ready to trade 2 of their better players before Tuesday, doesn't usually happen in the NFL, but it could make the deadline interesting for the first time in my life!
Good test today for the Eagles. They should get the W but Arizona is tricky and any thorn in the Dallas success story makes me happy.
Sounds like Tampa is ready to trade 2 of their better players before Tuesday, doesn't usually happen in the NFL, but it could make the deadline interesting for the first time in my life!
Good test today for the Eagles. They should get the W but Arizona is tricky and any thorn in the Dallas success story makes me happy.
Pretty questionable OPI call in Cinci. AFC North pretty much wide open.
This post was edited on 10/26 4:09 PM by UK_WINS_NCAA
This post was edited on 10/26 4:09 PM by UK_WINS_NCAA
It is what it is with Dalton. He's no Andrew Luck, but he's no Geno Smith either. He'll never actually lead the Bengals to a championship, but if he gets hot at the right time (the way Flacco did in the 2012 playoffs) then Cincy can possibly win a Super Bowl.
They say it's a QB's league. But Eli, Big Ben, and Flacco have a combined 5 rings and Dalton is just as good if not better than all three of those guys.
They say it's a QB's league. But Eli, Big Ben, and Flacco have a combined 5 rings and Dalton is just as good if not better than all three of those guys.
Besides Teddy Bridgewater, name three more talented players on the Vikings offense, and keep in mind that you can't say John Sullivan because while very good, he's injured. I think you can get 2, but not 3.
Point being, they need more talent, they need a running back now, and they REALLY need a pair of guards for the offensive line.
McKinnion, Patterson, Rudolph and Jennings. All 3 are very good, I guess I could say AP but he is out too. Sure Jennings is a vet and older but he is a good leader with experience to share with the younger guys. I don't know much about the Oline but I do know this, all Oline guys in the NFL all capable if the coaches and the QB are competent.
The defense needs a lot of help but in this division I'm not sure defense is worth the investment of a bunch of top 5 picks.
This post was edited on 10/26 5:28 PM by krazykats
The defense needs a lot of help but in this division I'm not sure defense is worth the investment of a bunch of top 5 picks.
This post was edited on 10/26 5:28 PM by krazykats
He'll never actually lead the Bengals to a championship, but if he gets hot at the right time (the way Flacco did in the 2012 playoffs) then Cincy can possibly win a Super Bowl.
Did I read that correct lol? Ill take a bengals Super Bowl victory over a championship any day.
Did I read that correct lol? Ill take a bengals Super Bowl victory over a championship any day.
Maybe I didn't word that the best. But what I mean is that he will never carry the Bengals to the SB the way Brady and Manning have done for their teams, but if he plays well at the right time then they can win it, like the Ravens two years ago.
You really can't believe Dalton is as good as Roethlisberger was in his prime. He is potential HOF if that is true. Otherwise you are correct.
Did some dumb Bengals homer just say Andy Dalton is just as good as Big Ben?
Put down the kool-aid and get a clue.
Put down the kool-aid and get a clue.
- Ben has never thrown for more than 32 TD's in a season. Dalton threw 33 last year.
- Ben has only thrown for more than 4,000 yards in 3 of his 10 seasons in the NFL. Dalton has already done it once.
- Ben does have a slightly higher career completion percentage, 63% to Dalton's 61%.
- Ben has only thrown for more than 4,000 yards in 3 of his 10 seasons in the NFL. Dalton has already done it once.
- Ben does have a slightly higher career completion percentage, 63% to Dalton's 61%.
Ben has thrown 125 interceptions in 150 games, for a total of 1.2 interceptions per game.
Dalton has thrown 45 interceptions in 54 games, for a total of 1.2 interceptions per game.
Dalton has thrown 45 interceptions in 54 games, for a total of 1.2 interceptions per game.
Dalton hasn't won a playoff game, Ben went 13-0 as a rookie and took his team to the AFC championship game. Won a super bowl the year after. Truly one of the worst takes in paddock history.
Being a potential HOF QB is about more than stats. There are a lot of guys with rings and yellow jackets that you could compare Dalton to if it were just about stats.
Seriously, the Dalton take is horrible. He's an above average quarterback but you're saying he's as good as a hall of famer. Not very smart.
If you're judging a player by the performance of the entire team, then you're exactly right and Ben is an elite QB.
Ben completed a whopping 9 passes in his first SB against Seattle, threw 2 INT's and had a quarterback rating of 22.6. Couldn't have won that championship without his stellar performance!
A couple Roethlisberger NFL records...Most wins as a starting quarterback in first five NFL seasons Second quarterback in NFL history, along with Peyton Manning, to register three perfect passing games during the regular season, and the only quarterback to ever register two perfect passing games in one regular seasonSecond-fewest attempts by a quarterback to reach 25,000 yards passing - 3,109
You can have your ginger. I'll take the two time super bowl winner that's headed to Canton.
You can have your ginger. I'll take the two time super bowl winner that's headed to Canton.
Ben has a better body of work because he's been around a lot longer and he's played for a really good team. But as far as actual abilities as a quarterback, I stand by my statement. I'm not trying to say that Dalton is great and i'm not trying to say that Ben is awful. I think they are both middle-tier QBs. They complete almost the same amount of passes, and throw the exact same amount of INTs.
The Steelers are gonna find a way to lose this game. Cortez Allen is far and away the worst corner in the league, if they keep running him out there they deserve to lose. Poor Ben.
