You're right, error on my part.
The number still turns out the exact same for both of them though. 0.83 INT per game.
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The number still turns out the exact same for both of them though. 0.83 INT per game.
No offense, but this is completely idiotic. It's as if you have no idea what you're talking about.
This is over simplifying things, but last week vs. the Colts, Dalton went 18-38 for 126 yards as they were shut out. Still in the 4th quarter, and against that same Colts team, Ben is 40-49 for 522 yards and 6 TDs, a Steeler record for most yards in a game and becomes the first quarterback in NFL history to throw for over 500 yards twice. Not bad for a "middle tier" QB. Great call!
This post was edited on 10/26 7:39 PM by Vandalayindustries
This post was edited on 10/26 7:39 PM by Vandalayindustries
Calling Ben a middle tier quarterback might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board – quite an accomplishment.
He became the fourth quarterback in history along with Montana, Brady, and Bradshaw to win 100 games in his first 150 starts. Also became the first quarterback in history to throw for 500 yards twice.
He has two more 500 yard games in his career than Dalton has playoff wins.
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He became the fourth quarterback in history along with Montana, Brady, and Bradshaw to win 100 games in his first 150 starts. Also became the first quarterback in history to throw for 500 yards twice.
He has two more 500 yard games in his career than Dalton has playoff wins.
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And as Phil Simms just said-he's a hall of famer.
Did you mean he's a middle tier Hall of Fame quarterback?
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Did you mean he's a middle tier Hall of Fame quarterback?
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No need in tanking for the Titans, they do just fine at their best. The team is a ******, crusty butthole brand of terrible with not one shining point to coo over. They'll get a very high draft pick, over-value some guy they have no ability to develop and we'll be right back in the middle of a 'oh, we're making amazing strides and what happened last year is NOT going to happen again' ******** campaign from the pathetic front office. They are a DISTANT three year window away from making any noise with the idiots they employ in the board room, locker room and sideline and that's with some amazing luck in free agency and the draft. This team has no discipline and the staff obviously has no clue how to instill it. The defense is an abomination. The offensive line might as well be a crew of fat, stupid mall security guards, and we have a fleet of WR's that can't catch, let alone learn their routes. BlueRaider, I appreciate your optimism but I've had it. I'm tired as hell of pissing away money on season tickets, gas, and Sunday Ticket to follow an organization that is clearly on a viciously downward slope and has no viable answer for their blatant mistakes, ever. If they aren't the worst team in the league, they are in the bottom 2 or 3. When you've lost 9 of your last 11 HOME games, it's not hard to come up with that assessment.
I consider the "top tier" to be Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers. Ben has never been on their level, so yes I consider him to be middle tier. He has weeks when he is really good, and he has weeks where he stinks.
Eli has a pair of rings, I guess he's a top tier QB too!
Eli has a pair of rings, I guess he's a top tier QB too!
You compared Ben to Andy Dalton, bud. Not Manning or Brady. You said Andy Dalton was better than Ben Roethlisberger.
I said Manning and Brady because those are the guys I consider to be at the top, you dolt.
And for the record I listed Ben, Eli, and Flacco, and said that Dalton is "as good or better than all three of them". If you think Ben is better that's fine. But its not near as ridiculous of a take as you Steelers homers are making it out to be. The statistics are pretty similar as I have already pointed out. Yes, Ben has more accolades. But he's also been around a lot longer and has been on one of the best teams ever. Pittsburgh won those two SB's by having one of the greatest defenses in NFL history.
And aren't you the same guy that said "Davis = Henson"?
Their statistics aren't similar at all. He has numerous NFL records, both as a rookie and lots of measures that are comparable to Dalton's statistics. All of the below are in Ben's first 4 seasons
Most regular season wins in a season, rookie QB - 13 (2004) Longest regular season win streak to start a career for a NFL QB - 15 games (won all 13 starts in the 2004 season, won first 2 games of the 2005 season)Most wins as a starting quarterback in first five NFL seasons (reg. season only) - 51 (from 2004-2008)Highest completion percentage, rookie season - 66.4% (2004)Highest single-game completion percentage, rookie season (min. 20 attempts) - 84.0% (completed 21/25 passes at Dallas on 10/17/2004)Most games with a completion percentage of 70.0% or higher, rookie season (min. 10 attempts) - 6 (2004)Most games with a completion percentage of 80.0% or higher, single season (min. 10 attempts) - 4 (2007)(Tie) Most touchdown passes, Dan Marino)
That's numerous NFL records, just from Ben's first few seasons. He holds nearly every Steeler record and holds numerous other NFL records, including another one set today. What NFL records does Dalton own? If their statistics are similar, he should have some NFL records within his first few seasons correct?
I can't believe you even made me look this up. It's a stupid horrible uneducated take that I'd expect a 16 year old girl to make.
Most regular season wins in a season, rookie QB - 13 (2004) Longest regular season win streak to start a career for a NFL QB - 15 games (won all 13 starts in the 2004 season, won first 2 games of the 2005 season)Most wins as a starting quarterback in first five NFL seasons (reg. season only) - 51 (from 2004-2008)Highest completion percentage, rookie season - 66.4% (2004)Highest single-game completion percentage, rookie season (min. 20 attempts) - 84.0% (completed 21/25 passes at Dallas on 10/17/2004)Most games with a completion percentage of 70.0% or higher, rookie season (min. 10 attempts) - 6 (2004)Most games with a completion percentage of 80.0% or higher, single season (min. 10 attempts) - 4 (2007)(Tie) Most touchdown passes, Dan Marino)
That's numerous NFL records, just from Ben's first few seasons. He holds nearly every Steeler record and holds numerous other NFL records, including another one set today. What NFL records does Dalton own? If their statistics are similar, he should have some NFL records within his first few seasons correct?
I can't believe you even made me look this up. It's a stupid horrible uneducated take that I'd expect a 16 year old girl to make.
Calling that last pass interference call "questionable" or saying it was a flop is as bad of a homer take Dalton = Rothlesburger.
Throw all stats out the window and just watch them play football. The most critical play of the game only succeeded because Dalton underthrew the ball so bad. He is awful.
Throw all stats out the window and just watch them play football. The most critical play of the game only succeeded because Dalton underthrew the ball so bad. He is awful.
Most of those stats reflect on the team as a whole, yet you're trying to pass them off as Ben's personal stats. As if he were the only reason (or even the main reason) the Steelers won so many games in his first 4 seasons.
5 of those are individual records - please point out 5 NFL records that Dalton set. Also, he's the only QB with 2 500 yard games, a reflection of poor defense, right?
It's just a stupid horrible comparison - you should just admit your'e wrong.
It's just a stupid horrible comparison - you should just admit your'e wrong.
So now you're trying to say that QB play is overrated?
, what a GD idiot. The Bengals have had one of the most talented rosters in the league for a couple years now, but they haven't won **** because of crappy QB play. Dalton's playoff numbers:
0-3. 56% completion percentage. 1 TD, 6 INT's. QB rating 56.2.
And you said this guy was better than a hall of famer. Wow.
0-3. 56% completion percentage. 1 TD, 6 INT's. QB rating 56.2.
And you said this guy was better than a hall of famer. Wow.
Andy Dalton is not better than Big Ben haha. Not now OR in his prime.
On a Titans note, Mettenburger looked good today. Sure he had a couple turnovers, but he also made some big time throws. Not bad at all for his first start. And I love his gunslinger mentality. I'm not ready to hand him the Frachise yet, but he if he keeps improving, who knows by the end of the year. Doesn't matter who's throwing the ball though, when your best receiver consistently drops passes that hit him in the hands week after week. Amari Cooper anyone?
On a Titans note, Mettenburger looked good today. Sure he had a couple turnovers, but he also made some big time throws. Not bad at all for his first start. And I love his gunslinger mentality. I'm not ready to hand him the Frachise yet, but he if he keeps improving, who knows by the end of the year. Doesn't matter who's throwing the ball though, when your best receiver consistently drops passes that hit him in the hands week after week. Amari Cooper anyone?
Ben>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Andy. End of discussion. It's not close.
DMiller, Mett looked fine for his first time out, I agree. It's the rest of this **** squad I worry about. O-line and DEF as a whole are not even competitive. I mean, how do you let the guy you cut for being too turnover-prone gash you without a single turnover and look at yourself with any shred of confidence in your defense? Hot, runny poop.
DMiller, Mett looked fine for his first time out, I agree. It's the rest of this **** squad I worry about. O-line and DEF as a whole are not even competitive. I mean, how do you let the guy you cut for being too turnover-prone gash you without a single turnover and look at yourself with any shred of confidence in your defense? Hot, runny poop.
Barring the comparison, this isn't right either! Dalton is capable, the coaches have destroyed Cinci. While Dalton does some dumb stuff, those coaches he has had aren't close to what Ben has had in Pitt.Originally posted by UK_WINS_NCAA:
So now you're trying to say that QB play is overrated?, what a GD idiot. The Bengals have had one of the most talented rosters in the league for a couple years now, but they haven't won **** because of crappy QB play. Dalton's playoff numbers:
0-3. 56% completion percentage. 1 TD, 6 INT's. QB rating 56.2.
And you said this guy was better than a hall of famer. Wow.
I'm not arguing a comparison, that is crazy but Ben's situation he inherited was way ahead of Dalton, and it's not close!
I think they are on the same level, and that is my opinion. I've seen enough to know that Dalton isn't as bad as you're making him out to be, and Ben isn't as good as you're making him out to be either. Again, i'm not trying to say that Ben is a bad quarterback. He gets a lot of credit for being a winner, but in his first Super Bowl he had a passer rating of 22.6 and they still won the championship. In the 2010 AFC championship he had a rating of 35.5 and the Steelers still won the game. That's two games where they didn't win because of him, they won in spite of him. Two examples of Pittsburgh winning a Super Bowl and making it to another with Ben playing just as horribly as Dalton has ever played in the postseason.
That's my opinion, and it isn't changing. Feel free to move on because we're just arguing in circles.
That's my opinion, and it isn't changing. Feel free to move on because we're just arguing in circles.
Of course, I'm not a Bengal or a Steeler.....nor am I a fan of either Big Ben or Dalton. Right now Ben is very far ahead and Dalton shows no sign of gaining ground on the lead. The comparable stats are a good argument. What they don't show is how good someone is when the game is on the line........or when there is a critical play that needs to be made......or road games.....etc. I haven't seen enough of Dalton to inform an opinion on this, but I've seen plenty of Ben. While, he'll rarely wow you with his stats, he's clutch when he needs to be.
Norm, I would love to counter your Super Bowl QBR ratings with some of Daltons Super Bowm QPR ratings. But obviously, that will be difficult.
You've picked two games out of a hall of game 11 year career. Completely ridiculous argument especially considering Ben threw two of the most clutch passes to win a Super Bowl in NFL history. Statistics are not needed in this argument – watch a few games by both quarterbacks and it's glaringly obvious. Just stop -it's silly.
And I'm not sure anyone has made an argument that Dalton is terrible. You were trying to compare him to a quarterback that will be in the Hall of Fame and has led his team to three Super Bowls. You hate the Steelers-I get it. But your argument is terrible.
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You've picked two games out of a hall of game 11 year career. Completely ridiculous argument especially considering Ben threw two of the most clutch passes to win a Super Bowl in NFL history. Statistics are not needed in this argument – watch a few games by both quarterbacks and it's glaringly obvious. Just stop -it's silly.
And I'm not sure anyone has made an argument that Dalton is terrible. You were trying to compare him to a quarterback that will be in the Hall of Fame and has led his team to three Super Bowls. You hate the Steelers-I get it. But your argument is terrible.
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My favorite part of the argument is that he was arguing his point during a game in which he set an NFL record for being the first QB to throw for over 500 yards twice, had the 4th highest passing game in NFL history and set team records for yards, completions, and touchdown passes and became only the 4th quarterback to win 100 out of his first 150 starts. The same QB that he thinks is just as good as got shutout last week against the same opponent.
Haha...yep. He was also arguing that the reason Ben won so many games was because of his stellar defense. They gave up 34 points and 448 yards yet somehow the Steelers still won. Not too bad for a middle-tier QB.
Moving on, I still think the Bengals are better than the Steelers, but that division is crazy. Any of the 4 teams can win that division at this point. And who would have thought the teams with the best records in the NFC are the Cardinals, Cowboys, and Lions?
Agreed. The Steelers could be pretty good if they accept the fact that they need to win games with their offense, but I'm not so sure that will happen. It's a shame that the guy we miss most on defense right now is a 34 year old corner, but it's absolutely the case with the way Allen has played this year, he's rated the worst corner in the league by a wide margin.
Yep, the Steelers just don't have a good enough defense to win consistently. They can't stop the run or the pass which isn't typically a good recipe for success in that league. Maybe they'll put it together though. The Bengals are likely the class of the division when healthy and we'll get to see them play each other twice soon.
Arizona may just win the NFC and get to play in the Super Bowl in their own stadium. Seattle's locker room sounds like a ticking timebomb, Dallas can't be picked to make the SB until Romo proves himself in the playoffs, Green Bay and San Fran are up and down. Palmer doesn't have any playoff wins but if their defense keeps it up then he can do enough for them to win. Philly has a chance obviously.
On a different note, I am VERY happy but cautious of my lions. Sitting at 6-2 and leading the division. However, the last two games have been VERY close.
As a life long lions fan, I have a hard time putting my full trust into them, but this season they have looked pretty good so far.
I just want a playoff win!!
As a life long lions fan, I have a hard time putting my full trust into them, but this season they have looked pretty good so far.
I just want a playoff win!!