Winning ugly is fine, but when you can't pull out wins vs good teams and you're slugging it out with the bad teams, you get the excitement that brings 3500 to a game.
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I understand that is not a visual appealing style of basketball. But you can win with defense. You just can’t win with a mid major talent level offense to go with that D.
Virginia over a 6 year stretch under Tony Bennett had the following results.
5 - 29+ win seasons
4 - 1 seeds in the NCAAT (and a 2 seed)
1 - National Title
the number of times they scored over 80 points in a game during that stretch…
Only 24 times. An average of 4 times per season.
Not counting the horrendous 2024-25 season. Sha’s teams have combined for 22 80+ point efforts in those three seasons.
You either give him a chance to develop players (oh wait he can’t do that anymore and never had the chance to do so at seton hall)
You give him the money to go get a roster of BE talent.
Or you accept that Seton Hall’s ceiling for success is just not the same that it was previously.
you can’t build a program that is consistently in the top 3rd of your conference with a bottom 3rd budget. Times have dramatically changed and some people would rather just kill the coach than accept that reality.
Sha isn’t perfect. I get that. But it’s Seton Hall that is majorly flawed in the landscape of college basketball.
Virginia over a 6 year stretch under Tony Bennett had the following results.
5 - 29+ win seasons
4 - 1 seeds in the NCAAT (and a 2 seed)
1 - National Title
the number of times they scored over 80 points in a game during that stretch…
Only 24 times. An average of 4 times per season.
Not counting the horrendous 2024-25 season. Sha’s teams have combined for 22 80+ point efforts in those three seasons.
You either give him a chance to develop players (oh wait he can’t do that anymore and never had the chance to do so at seton hall)
You give him the money to go get a roster of BE talent.
Or you accept that Seton Hall’s ceiling for success is just not the same that it was previously.
you can’t build a program that is consistently in the top 3rd of your conference with a bottom 3rd budget. Times have dramatically changed and some people would rather just kill the coach than accept that reality.
Sha isn’t perfect. I get that. But it’s Seton Hall that is majorly flawed in the landscape of college basketball.
Maybe @shu09 gets lucky?
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Maybe @shu09 gets lucky?
The 2026 men's college basketball coaching carousel guide
The schools (Oklahoma? Syracuse?), names (Will Wade? Porter Moser? Josh Schertz?) and buzz we're tracking.
Interesting…
Just can't see a major program hiring him after going 0-4 in NCAA bids in his first four years as a major conference head coach. But stranger things have happened.
Would be interesting to see how Sha’s style and approach with the media and answering questions would play at a bigger program.
He’s been able to play king at places like St. Peter’s and Seton Hall.
He’s been able to play king at places like St. Peter’s and Seton Hall.
One thing for sure. For better or worse, what you see is what you get. Wherever he goes he will be the same.
That said, his players do like him and most of them see his intensity as tough love.
That said, his players do like him and most of them see his intensity as tough love.
I love offense. I hope we go 0-19 in 3PTA against UConn and win 50-49.
Why do we accept the ceiling isn’t as high anymore? We just roll over and die? If this guy can’t do it, nobody else in America could?
while the reality is money plays a huge factor there are always going to be teams that win with lower payrolls. Why can’t Seton hold be one of them? Yes, Tony Bennett won with a defensive style, but he also had highly ranked players. So while you can win with this style I find it odd that you pick the team with plenty of top 50 players to compare to us when in the same breath, you complain about not getting great players
How many schools in the country spend millions of dollars to remodel their on-campus arena to make it much smaller seating capacity instead of making it bigger? We are possibly the only school to do that in the history of college basketball. That in itself tells you where the mindset is. It is mind boggling but explains a lot when it comes to the school commitment to the basketball program.
The men do not play there except usually for one game. This year was an anomaly. Plus we never sell the game(s) out anyway.
Our home court is the Rock so Walsh is an afterthought to the men.
Regarding the women...other than the UConn game they never sell the place out.
Not sure why you feel the need to post as you just did. Walsh is perfect for the needs of Seton Hall.
Our home court is the Rock so Walsh is an afterthought to the men.
Regarding the women...other than the UConn game they never sell the place out.
Not sure why you feel the need to post as you just did. Walsh is perfect for the needs of Seton Hall.
I disagree on this. Budd can be your PG. He's not a finisher at the rim but is fantastic at the stop and pop midrange game. So emphasize that, it may actually be better than going all the way to the tin. Limits blocked shots on Clark and sets up better for one of Seton Hall's strengths: offensive rebounding.
Sha needs to stop with all the controlling play-calling on offense. Watch good teams, their PG's don't constantly look over to the head coach. They run an offensive system that lets the players play. Sha should do the same. Install a system, whether it be the true motion offense, The Princeton offense, the Conceptual offense, a press offense, or something. Let the players play, it also helps recruiting as well.
I think you missed the point I made. Budd is great at the pull up jumper. That doesn’t lead to drive and kick opportunities for a 3 point perimeter focused offense.
Well said. This has been my major gripe all season long. From the very first game I noticed Clark turning around, made more obvious when we are on the opposite side of the court from our bench.
It stops the flow of the offense and takes valuable time off the shot clock, Sure on occasion the coach should control the action on the court. But Holloway's total control personality clearly hinders our team and unfortunately I don't think that will ever change.
And he waits until he looks at the defense which is 10 seconds or more into the shot clock before our players get the players. If you want to control play-calling you have to do it much earlier.
It’s not changing anytime soon. After a recent game (at Butler maybe?) Sha commented he tried to let them run it and he had to take it over.
I don’t get it. He talks about tempo and getting into things quickly - which is def hugely important for a team not taking 3’s - but then we waste so much time standing around with play calling and over dribbling.
What offensive style do we run?
I don’t get it. He talks about tempo and getting into things quickly - which is def hugely important for a team not taking 3’s - but then we waste so much time standing around with play calling and over dribbling.
What offensive style do we run?
That's what control freaks do. They don't trust anyone else but themselves.
That's why those who suggest we hire an offensive coordinator are just wasting the breath.
That's why those who suggest we hire an offensive coordinator are just wasting the breath.
But if anyone closes out on his midrange game, it leads to kick in opportunities for layups.
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You have watched him play for 28 games so far this year.
has any team closed out on his mid range jump shot that consistently opens up shots for the players at the 3 point line?
They do exactly what I said. They go under the pick and roll, dare him to shoot the three, take away the roll pass to the bucket, and then “one” guy in the original pick and roll has the defensive assignment to close out and make him fade away on him mid range jump shot.
Adding shooters doesn’t change that aspect of our offense.
would we make more 3 pointers in general if we have better shooters?….absolutely. But we do not have a PG / C combo that is conducive to play today’s “modern day” basketball focused on the 3 point shot.
Budd was exceptional as a drive-and-kick player at Merrimack. He was 3rd in the entire country in assist rate last year. Go watch some of those games, he was lethal as both a passer and scorer from the paint.
The Big East is not the MAAC.
I don’t need to see what he did last year. The size of the players that he needs to navigate in the pick and roll this year is no where close to the same level of competition that he produced against while at Merrimack.
Are you telling me we have seen a ton of drive and kick this year?
I must of have missed it.
Putting a better shooter in place of Fisher or Williams doesn’t change the fact that our current offense / players DO NOT lead to a perimeter oriented 3 point shooting attack.
My point is, it’s not just the shooters but the entire system that initiates the offense to get those shooters open.
I respectfully disagree. Again how many supposed big time college programs renovated their on campus arena to make it smaller?
Yes we play at the rock and that is not a home court. We play there only because we do not have a home court. We had one but instead of boosting the seating of Walsh to 5-6K we reduced it so it will never be a home court. It is only perfect because we have no alternative to the rock.
If the women had a truly competitive program Walsh would be inadequate too!
Which brings me back to the school admin. They are not forward thinking when it comes to the program, they don't think of making hoops really big time, and the commitment is half hearted. Which explains why Willard is at Villanova and not here. If Sha were to leave we have a fat chance in hell of getting a big name coach to replace him. That tells everyone who loves SHU like I do that the program is lacking more than NIL money.
I have touched on a number of issues but it still boils down to currently thinking small and not big. We are in the "Big" east and the sports programs, all of them should think big. The school admin should think big and put juice into all the sport programs. The banner program is the mens hoops team and I see a history of not doing enough. Only being able to play at the rock is sad.
Once again having the smallest team in Div1 and NO 3-point shooters along with that is the problem. We drive to the basket and are faced with our smaller players up against the opposing teams' bigger players. It sometimes works but you can see from our FG percentages that we struggle. Not just at 3 pointers.
We should definitely have a 6,000 seat on campus arena. Did anyone ever look into it?
Isn't there a minimum arena seating size for Big East games, like 6,500, with St. John's grandfathered in?
I dont know man. I’d buy this argument if Budd was struggling to level up, but he isn’t. He’s playing at an all BE level. I think he’d be even better as a lead guard/facilitator in a pace and space system, but we will never know unless he transfers to a school that plays that way.
Virginia had good to excellent offense during that run! They played low scoring games because of their pace on both sides of the ball but their offense was highly efficient. The National Championship year their offense was ranked #2 in the Nation. They were Top 50 all 6 years - their KP Offensive ratings were #2, 30, 50, 8, 21 & 27.
They never shot the 3 worse than 35% and for 4 years it was 38.3% - 40.2%.
You need to have balance and the ability to win in multiple ways to get where we want to be on a consistent basis.
I agree with what you are saying about money. Seton Hall hired Sha and they have spent multi-millions on facilities, coaches and players but they have yet to give him even an average budget to acquire players. That is a problem and I strongly believe Seton Hall should give him what he needs this Spring ($9-10M) so he can be on equal footing with AVERAGE BE teams and see what it nets.
But money isn't everything. Sha needs to realize he needs to mature his approach and be willing to change. The best coaches are the ones who can adjust - season to season, game to game, possession to possession. The way to improve the most is on the offensive end.
Sha's Team Shooting% over his 8 years
Budd is not the problem. While he does have some issues the problem is the players he is playing with. It is one thing for him to be undersized but the guys starting at the other 4 positions are also undersized. That is a bad situation for him to be in.
Think bigger. How about giving him 15 million for the building the 26/27 roster! Now we are talking commitment.