Patriotic or unpatriotic?
OT: 2023 Women's World Cup
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No. I never said that. I said in this World Cup. These spoiled brats who have had every advantage in life, chose not to.
And they are major out of step with the rest of the teams.
This is a silly post. The LGBT Community is treated exceedingly well in the USA.
Not every team sings the anthem. Most videos show some players do and some players do not.
The Iranians refused to sing I guess their unpatriotic also.
The Dream Team didn't sing the anthem and they are beloved. The World Baseball Classic team doesn't sing the anthem and no one has an issue. The USMNT has a mix of guys singing/not singing, and no one cares.
But suddenly, it's a big issue that the USWNT players aren't singing when some are looking for another reason to bash them (and somehow, not singing is an indictment of their lack of passion for our country).
But suddenly, it's a big issue that the USWNT players aren't singing when some are looking for another reason to bash them (and somehow, not singing is an indictment of their lack of passion for our country).
I have stayed out of the National Anthem debate, as it bores me.
But... spoiled brats who have had every advantage in life??? Seriously???
I know nothing about the circumstances and particulars of each of these 23 women growing up. Perhaps you do, and thus feel qualified to make the above statement. If so, I invite you to show your work.
You think they all didn’t benefit tremendously from our youth development programs and Olympic Development Programs at every level from age 12 up?
I do give a rat's *** (would you condone a burning of the flag?) , but respect can be shown in more than one way so singing is not required.
Most probably did. Perhaps a few were late bloomers who did not. So yes, in that sense they had certain advantages due to their talent - but certainly not "every" advantage.
More importantly, does that make them "spoiled brats"?
Ok. That’s your opinion. Mine is different.
That’s what makes the world go around.
Meh. Your opinion, and his, don't matter. Only my opinion is worthwhile.
If the world just listened to my opinion, and my opinion alone, it'd go around far more smoothly, that much I can tell you.
Fair points, Mild. Part of it was/is her job as an analyst and I agree not everyone needs, or should use, what worked for her. But, I do think her larger point is one I happen to agree with and feel her opinions carry more weight than the 'common fan' given her experience.
The video I linked was the men's world cup.
Is singing a new requirement this world cup only?
Why focus only on singing ?
There are obvious issues with some of the players that are being excused for some odd reason
There are obvious issues with some of the players that are being excused for some odd reason
I have no problem with people that agree w/whatever she or other commentators say about anything. And sure, a prior player's opinions might carry extra weight. So, instead of one gram, her opinion carries more like two.
At the Men's WC, and more recently at the Gold Cup, some on the US team sang. Some kinda sorta mouthed the words. Some stood at attention. Some stood at varying degrees of inattention.
And NOBODY CARED.
And properly so.
And NOBODY CARED.
And properly so.
Really? You want her dead? What horrific crime has she committed for which you want her executed?
Surely you don't wish death on your fellow Americans just because they don't share your viewpoints on stuff?
Well, apparently, the USWNT-haters in the thread are so triggered (by what, I don't know) they can't help but virtue signal all about taking away people's right to free speech whenever it's speech they don't like hearing. So by all means, let's make the country much less free in order to demonstrate our patriotism.
Individual freedoms? Bah, not what makes America great.
Individual choice? Trouble me not with such commie concepts. Definitely not what makes America great.
Free speech? Not allowed! Not what makes America great.
I know, let's get rid of all freedoms for anybody who doesn't express their patriotism or live their lives in whatever way I tell them to do. Yes! Now that's American exceptionalism right there. 'Murica!
Let's celebrate by having a book burning party. Books that express views I don't like? Burn, baby, burn!
:WooHoo:
I'm easily triggered by people who are easily triggered. Difference being, they're all outraged and angry and I'm having my usual giggling fun time making fun of them. My childishness-fu is strong.
This is true. But it's not easy to find examples of teams that won something of real significance WITHOUT a Carli Lloyd or a Kobe or an MJ-type personality. And if I was a care-free "life isn't just soccer" type of athlete who cares what Lloyd/Lalas say - I wouldn't be watching anyway lmao.
Wow, you just became the biggest d-bag on this site and that's saying something. Congrats.
That's fine that you give a rat's *** and it's good that you're not looking for a "patriotic singing litmus test, like some appear to favor." With regard to the flag, yes, I condone burning the flag when it's done in protest - while the flag is a revered symbol of our country, one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest is also a symbol of our country. It's still considered protected free speech, although who knows how long that will last with a SCOTUS hell bent on taking away rights.
FIFA offered that, but the USWNT players said no thanks. They said "we just want to go hang out with jerseybird, try to help him feel good enough about himself he doesn't have to denigrate others all the time".
I told 'em they're wasting their time. But they're way nicer people than me.
Very fair point and interesting that you mention MJ - in light of Carli's criticism that some on this team are more concerned with individual branding than the team winning.
No one in the history of sport has been more concerned with individual branding than Michael Jordan. And no one has been more obsessed with winning than he.
You can have both.
But do we have both ?
Carli Lloyd says no.
I hope we find the intensity we need. Sweden is one tough team.
MJ was famous for being totally focused at practice and in games, but switching off when away from the court, focusing on other stuff. Lewis Hamilton, tied for the most F1 world championships (7 of them) with Michael Schumacher, also is similarly capable of balancing multiple outside interests with his winning ways in the sport.
I‘m unpersuaded that a player, or team, must adopt a particular attitude, when off the field, in order to perform their best on the field. Everyone is different, and what works for some is problematic for others.
The mindset that regularly strives for greatness can be exercised in multiple ways, from making the best cup of coffee, to making the best contributions to society to making the best entry pass in a soccer match.
Single-mindedness is often celebrated, but also more often causes problems than it leads to greatness, in my experience.
The coaching staff of Hingst, Lloyd, Lalas and jerseybird would be way out of their comfort zone.FIFA offered that, but the USWNT players said no thanks. They said "we just want to go hang out with jerseybird, try to help him feel good enough about himself he doesn't have to denigrate others all the time".
I told 'em they're wasting their time. But they're way nicer people than me.
Never said I don't like women sports. Don't lump me in that group . Anywho....I would say the same if the men's team acted this way.
interesting commentary on the state of the US team and its competition
American players celebrated after a lackluster performance in their final match.
Canadian players did not.
Brazilian players did not.
German players did not.
Those players must have a lot more class.
Canadian players did not.
Brazilian players did not.
German players did not.
Those players must have a lot more class.
What exactly would you say they are standing up for? The equal pay nonsense is a self promoting cash grab. They quite literally play in a different league than the men, and whatever victory they have claimed is solely on the back of the men’s team not caring about national team salary as all make their real money as a club player. The deal that they claim was so oppressive was a CBA they signed with USSF which was basically meant to give less opportunity to rising stars and lock aging big names into the roster for longer term financial security at the expense of keeping down their fellow younger players. If they had a problem with it then, they shouldn’t have signed. If they had a problem after winning a World Cup when their leverage was better, they could have striked, but since they didn’t want to jeopardize their revenue stream or allow younger players a platform to steal their locked in roster spots, they went the SJW route to create a PR nightmare for US Soccer.
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