OT: New York Mets 2025-2026 Off Season Thread
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Is there something factually wrong with my comment?
We can also add Montas / Siri / Mullens acquisitions etc.
We can also add him not improving the starting rotation at the deadline / not bringing up McLean sooner when the staff was drowning
Truth be told his performance to date is materially below expectations - and just like Mendoza - he needs to materially upgrade his game !
I'm more tired of:
Say the Mets are playing the Cubs and the Cubs have 2nd and 3rd with one out in the 8th inning of a tie game. Dansby Swanson is at bat.
So Keith says now "Swanson shouldn't try to do too much here. Just a single or even a medium depth fly ball will get the job done and get that lead run in. "
Dude you're a Mets announcer. Sure I don't want Atlanta Braves type of homerism in the booth but IJS. Dude you're a Mets announcer.
This analysis requires you to ignore that the Mets were anything but a perfect organization when he arrived, their performance last year in getting to the NLCS, and that he's only been here two years and you can't re-organize things for the long haul in just two years. That requires revamping from the minors on up. You'd also have to ignore his performance with the Brewers. If, of course, you're just a guy who complains when things go badly and doesn't complain (or maybe complains less) when they go well, then have at it.
Please grade his performance in the 2 years he’s been here and for 2025 stand alone
He got a passing grade in 24 as his free agent signings panned out but he failed miserably in 25.
In fact I give him an “F” grade for his performance or lack of it in 25.
His wasting of $ on Montas. / Siri / lack of actual upgrades at the deadline / head scratchers with the rotation cost the team the playoffs.
Like I said - all the good will he established in 24 has been negated / tarnished and he needs to do a self analytical perspective of himself and his front office.
Excluding McLean - he has a rotation of all back end pitchers.
Thus he better upgrade the rotation and bring in 2 front line starters as the teams Immediate needs either via free agency and or trades.
He did take accountability for his F grade in his post Morten meeting with the media
I would actually be surprised if his initial asking price is that low. He and Boras will use Vladdy Jr's contract (14 years, $500M) as the comp. I think the sticker price is more like $230M/7.
That said, if the Mets hypothetically offered him $177M/6 to forgo free agency, I think he takes it. They won't though.
I would expect that to be in the ballpark. Not sure the Met's would go more than 4 years though.
As for Vlad comparison...it is such a difficult debate. Vlad is younger by 4 years. Prior to this year- he almost looked like his body would break down quickly but he does seem to have gotten himself into better shape.
Vlad is the better "hitter" but Pete is the better power hitter and run producer. Vlad will be a consistant .290-300 hitter with 20-30 HR and 90+ RBI and Pete will be .250-.270 30-40 HR and 100+ RBI
The youth give Vlad much more money, but Pete really isn't much behind him as a baseball hitter.
4/$125 M sounds about right. no opt outs on either side until year 3
No.
That's not how you build an organization, which requires a long term approach, not quick fixes. If you choose (as you have) not to be influenced by the incredible 8 years he spent building the Brewers system, one that paid dividends while he was there and continues to pay dividends even after he's left, then you're just going to have to wait to see how this works out over the next couple of years. Or you can continue, as you have, to judge year by year, month by month, and even game by game. It'll be a hell of a roller coaster ride.
4 years and $125 million or 5 years and $160 million makes the most sense. he would then be on same salary level and nearly as the same years remaining as Lindor.
I take great pleasure in knowing THE METS had a huge hand in the Yankees failing to advance 2 steps less than last season
All I heard from you was how PLAN B worked out better and how great it was not having Soto. Yes the Mets **** the bed, but still have the guy you needed desperately and who had a MVP type season and will be a cornerstone for the Mets for at least 10 more years. Once again "The Wait For 28" continues and don't tell me you've seen more than 6 or 7.I’m arguing his performance sucked this year while you’re discussing long term approach
I don’t understand how you refuse to admit the above while hanging onto a long term approach that no one knows will be successful or not
The mission of this franchise should be to make the playoffs every year given it’s perceived talent and payroll!
The team failed miserably and embarrassingly this year with significant blame due to Stearns.
I don’t care what Stearns did at Milwaukee where there’s no pressure to win NOW. !
It’s different in NY and the Boy Wonder failed when the pressure was on !
I remain cautiously optimistic with Stearns but a lot of the shine has been tarnished for sure
You're unable to stop looking at the trees. The job of a president of baseball operations is, by definition, long term. The only way to guarantee yearly success is to build a system that produces constant talent, tons of it--and importantly, produces more talent than the other 29 experts who are trying to stock their systems. All 30 front offices are experts. You just need to be the best among that group. And once you build a system, you are less reliant on risky fix-it attempts in the middle of a season. Those short term, limited moves are inherently more risky and subject to failure more often. The Dodgers show up every year because they have built a system over the years. So do the Phillies and Yankees, for the most part. And so do, by the way, the Brewers. Even after Stearns left, that system is producing dividends. They don't need to make as many moves as the Mets have because they've built systems that produce more talent. They've been able to establish rosters and budgets that work over time. None of this is news or complicated.
As the Stearns continues to build the system, there will be less need for the risky types of trades that you are so short-sightedly focused on. If in a couple of years, the team is still reliant on those trades to be able to make the post season, then we can talk. But we wouldn't be talking about midseason trades. We'd be talking about Stearns being unable to create the type of system that he created in Milwaukee.
Two of those three never seem worry about money. Which hopefully is a Met “problem” now too.
As for the long term vs. short term approach, I like the former but the latter is the environment where this organization lives…the whole NY minute, back page, cross town rival, what have you done for me lately type thing.
Again, hopefully, this is where having an owner like Steve Cohen makes it easier to “correct” mistakes by buying the answers when needed.
So I think you and @BigEastPhil are both right.
Mets have ____ home grown vs free agents
Chart attached …..rosters of playoff teams home grown v international v free agent v trades
Cleveland has 16 home grown including international signings
Chart attached …..rosters of playoff teams home grown v international v free agent v trades
Cleveland has 16 home grown including international signings
Home grown
International signings
Alonso
McNeil
Nimmo
Alvarez
Baty
Mauricio
Vientos
Peterson
McLean
Sproat
Tong
International signings
Alonso
McNeil
Nimmo
Alvarez
Baty
Mauricio
Vientos
Peterson
McLean
Sproat
Tong
F the Phillies
F them Hard !!!
Fans didn’t talk about excitement of possible World Series
Brewers being a team of nobodies and they can beat them
Dodgers weren’t the 110 win juggernaut they were expected to be
Cubs . Eh
NOPE
ONLY THING ON THIER MINDS WERE THE METS
Goodbye !!!
F them Hard !!!
Fans didn’t talk about excitement of possible World Series
Brewers being a team of nobodies and they can beat them
Dodgers weren’t the 110 win juggernaut they were expected to be
Cubs . Eh
NOPE
ONLY THING ON THIER MINDS WERE THE METS
Goodbye !!!
Nice 24 hours with Yankees and Phillies both losing !
Postgame quote from Realmuto:
"Last year, I think it hurt even more, because last year it felt like we beat ourselves. This year, that club over there is very, very good."
At first, I thought he was taking a backhand slot at the Mets. Thinking about it further though, I realize he was taking a forehand shot at the Mets.
"Last year, I think it hurt even more, because last year it felt like we beat ourselves. This year, that club over there is very, very good."
At first, I thought he was taking a backhand slot at the Mets. Thinking about it further though, I realize he was taking a forehand shot at the Mets.
Interesting that the Mets promoted from within to fill the hitting coach vacancy. Implies that the Mets are willing to ride with their current organizational hitting philosophy, whatever that is.
Re the Consiligere role, I prefer an experienced ex-manager like Gibbons, but whatever.
Re the Consiligere role, I prefer an experienced ex-manager like Gibbons, but whatever.
Peterson and Torrens were named as GG finalists for SP and C respectively.
Think he was a Yankees fan growing up. Great of him to make the majors as such a late round draft pick though.