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yesrutgers01

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Well- he certainly fits a Stearns profile- Club options so, we can option his *** out next year if we want. lol

I'm actually ok with this trade. We didn't give up much and Roberts is better than Taylor or an empty LF...It is actually a move that does improve our team. Glad to see Stearns has that in him. Still a small market move though. Go get Peralta and sign Bellinger out from under the Yankees and I will give Stearns some credit...
 
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This move signals Bellinger preferred a different team/deal.

Trade is ok. Don't love it but cost was minimal. Hoping he's more Robert Jr 2nd half of last year/23 as then it's a steal. Still young good upside with above average D and athleticism. Apparently a real good clubhouse player. On the down side it's a lot of money if he stinks even if one year and he's been a bit unhealthy. Worth the gamble and that player cost though. The exact opposite of a small market move bringing in a high salary player with past upside.

Probably going to bring in one pitcher whether it's Framber or a trade for Bubic or Peralta. Skubal still the long shot. Maybe a bench player now as well since Acuna was moved.
 
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Since I never really considered Acuna to be a good prospect (other than some at bats in the instructional league, he’s never hit anywhere that isn’t Venezuela), Stearns still hasn’t touched our prospect pool this off season. That means that he’s still got young talent to make s deal for an arm he likes while still leaving a lot of talent behind in the system. That said, if we go into the spring actively considering Tong, McLean, Sproat, and Scott for the rotation, and Benge, Williams, Mauricio, Baty and Vientos for the field, I’ll find it entertaining. Much like this off-season.
 
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yesrutgers01

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Zak57 said:
This move signals Bellinger preferred a different team/deal.

Trade is ok. Don't love it but cost was minimal. Hoping he's more Robert Jr 2nd half of last year/23 as then it's a steal. Still young good upside with above average D and athleticism. Apparently a real good clubhouse player. On the down side it's a lot of money if he stinks even if one year and he's been a bit unhealthy. Worth the gamble and that player cost though. The exact opposite of a small market move bringing in a high salary player with past upside.

Probably going to bring in one pitcher whether it's Framber or a trade for Bubic or Peralta. Skubal still the long shot. Maybe a bench player now as well since Acuna was moved.
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We get to buy him out for $2 mil if we don't want him for 2027. Stearns has one luxury, he is allowed to spend money if it is a very short term. So, he gets to play small market with money to burn.

I am not against this trade though. Smart trade as we really give up nothing and can make the choice after 2026 if we want him back or don't want him. Worst case, he has a .240 ish 15 HR 20+ SB with speed and defense. But if we don't make any other OF moves- does this create a Roberts LF Taylor CF Soto RF - It does make the of defense much better but the offense will be lacking unless Roberts does continue his 2nd half of last year.

We still do not have a 1B and man oh man- can we get a SP
 
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As of now starters/rotation with I'm sure at least one more bigger move to come.

1B Polanco
2B Semien
3B Bichette
SS Lindor
LF Baty/Benge ?
CF Robert Jr
RF Soto
C Alvarez
DH Vientos

SP Manaea
SP Senga
SP McLean
SP Peterson
SP Holmes
 
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yesrutgers01

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Zak57 said:
As of now starters/rotation with I'm sure at least one more bigger move to come.

1B Polanco
2B Semien
3B Bichette
SS Lindor
LF Baty/Benge ?
CF Robert Jr
RF Soto
C Alvarez
DH Vientos

SP Manaea
SP Senga
SP McLean
SP Peterson
SP Holmes
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Looks like a Stearns team- good enough to make the playoffs but no where good enough to make a run to win it all. If everything goes right- he can pull off a WC type 86-90 win season.
 
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Zak57 said:
As of now starters/rotation with I'm sure at least one more bigger move to come.

1B Polanco
2B Semien
3B Bichette
SS Lindor
LF Baty/Benge ?
CF Robert Jr
RF Soto
C Alvarez
DH Vientos

SP Manaea
SP Senga
SP McLean
SP Peterson
SP Holmes
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Now the scarier part. Do the bullpen.
 
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Bullpen core is Williams, Raley, Minter, Weaver, and Brazoban. Given that the Mets used 46 pitchers last year, any attempt to definitively name the last three is a fool's errand.
 
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RuBird said:
Now the scarier part. Do the bullpen.
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I don't think it's scary as Worm just noted it's pretty solid. I wonder if we add another SP if they would push Holmes back to the pen or what they would do. We have some minor leaguers that should help at some point as well like Dylan Ross. Wish we kept Anthony Nunez but unfortunately they parted with him in the Mullins trade.
 
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yesrutgers01 said:
Looks like a Stearns team- good enough to make the playoffs but no where good enough to make a run to win it all. If everything goes right- he can pull off a WC type 86-90 win season.
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I'm sure you had Toronto in the WS coming off a 74 win season prior to 2025.
 
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Zak57 said:
I don't think it's scary as Worm just noted it's pretty solid. I wonder if we add another SP if they would push Holmes back to the pen or what they would do. We have some minor leaguers that should help at some point as well like Dylan Ross. Wish we kept Anthony Nunez but unfortunately they parted with him in the Mullins trade.
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IMHO I am in a wait a see mode ( scarier than regular lineup or starting pitching). Lot of unproven parts
 
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Where does a player like Robert profile in the lineup? Is he a top 4 hitter, a 5/6 hitter, or a 7,8,9 hitter?
 
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Zak57 said:
I'm sure you had Toronto in the WS coming off a 74 win season prior to 2025.
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Context. 2023 was the outlier for the Blue Jays. The core of that team has been together for a few years.
2020: 32-28 Covid season
2021: 91-71
2022: 92-70
2023: 89-73
2024: 74-88
2025: 94-68
 
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RuBird said:
IMHO I am in a wait a see mode ( scarier than regular lineup or starting pitching). Lot of unproven parts
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Certainly fair to wait and see. Bullpens are always scary haha.

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Where does a player like Robert profile in the lineup? Is he a top 4 hitter, a 5/6 hitter, or a 7,8,9 hitter?
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Probably 6 or later.

Let's go:
Lindor
Bichette
Soto
Polanco
Vientos
Semien
Baty
Robert Jr
Alvarez

cubuffsdoug_rivals said:
Context. 2023 was the outlier for the Blue Jays. The core of that team has been together for a few years.
2020: 32-28 Covid season
2021: 91-71
2022: 92-70
2023: 89-73
2024: 74-88
2025: 94-68
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Sure and the Mets have been yo-yo'ing good years with bad years. We conisder last year bad which it was but team was still over .500. The point is until they play the games we won't know. We're automatically one step back to get to a WS because we're in the same league as LAD but the team being built can absolutely be in the mix. I believe they'll add one more SP that would slot higher in the rotation.
 
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AntiG said:
Ricky Henderson, Joe Torre, Roberto Alomar
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Roberto Alomar (son of Sandy, brother of Sandy Jr.) was a strange case, wasn't he? Mets knew they got him on the downside, but who knew his production would fall off a freakin' cliff! 12 all-star appearances, 10 gold gloves, 4 silver sluggers. A 150 OPS+ the year before the Mets acquired him. And then, nada. Mets gave up a can't miss prospect in Alex Escobar, who turned out to be another can't miss who did miss.

Due to a sexual harrassment scandal, Alomar is now on MLB's permanently ineligible list. However, his HOF enshrinement was not rescinded. The Blue Jays did remove him from their hall of fame, and rescinded his number retirement.
 
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Doctor Worm said:
He is the 19th Met player to be elected to the Hall of Fame.

1) How many can you name?
2) Which of the 19 are wearing a Mets cap?
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Just to put a bow on this, the only Met hall of famer who was not named in this thread was original Met Richie Ashburn. Thanks to all who responded!
 
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yesrutgers01

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Zak57 said:
I'm sure you had Toronto in the WS coming off a 74 win season prior to 2025.
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cubuffsdoug_rivals said:
Context. 2023 was the outlier for the Blue Jays. The core of that team has been together for a few years.
2020: 32-28 Covid season
2021: 91-71
2022: 92-70
2023: 89-73
2024: 74-88
2025: 94-68
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I have no idea what Toronto has to do with our current situation- except trying to find a reach to prove Stearns is smarter then everyone in the room- even though he has nothing to do with Toronto.

mans thank you cubuff for the fact checking
 
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yesrutgers01 said:
I have no idea what Toronto has to do with our current situation- except trying to find a reach to prove Stearns is smarter then everyone in the room- even though he has nothing to do with Toronto.

mans thank you cubuff for the fact checking
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No one thinks that Stearns is the smartest guy in the room it's only a straw man that you love to bring up. As I mentioned earlier the point is that we can go back and see that numerous teams appeared in the WS that no one expected to be there including the Jays from last year. For you to confidently say that the 2026 Mets cannot be a WS team is more hubris on your side since you've decided you hate the GM for not bringing one player back.
 
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Zak57 said:
No one thinks that Stearns is the smartest guy in the room it's only a straw man that you love to bring up. As I mentioned earlier the point is that we can go back and see that numerous teams appeared in the WS that no one expected to be there including the Jays from last year. For you to confidently say that the 2026 Mets cannot be a WS team is more hubris on your side since you've decided you hate the GM for not bringing one player back.
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Did the Dodgers switch to the American League?

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Zak57 said:
No one thinks that Stearns is the smartest guy in the room it's only a straw man that you love to bring up. As I mentioned earlier the point is that we can go back and see that numerous teams appeared in the WS that no one expected to be there including the Jays from last year. For you to confidently say that the 2026 Mets cannot be a WS team is more hubris on your side since you've decided you hate the GM for not bringing one player back.
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Dude, seriously? I say that Stearns is the guy who thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. I also said he may have created a team to make the playoffs. But, let's also be honest- let's forget the McNeil/Nimmo trades - I am ok with those, but if we still had Pete and Diaz with Roberts, Semien, Polanco - We would have a legit team to compete with anyone. Stearns just does not like any player that was here before him that are very popular. I 100% believe if he could trade Lindor and Soto- he would do so in a heart beat.

Yourself- you try to justify everything with a random toronto reference or that The current Met team could do the same and make the WS...

My view is more in reality and not trying to justify bowing down to the guy with the smirk. Seriously, what has he accomplished except getting to the playoffs with the Brewers? He didn't win it. And here- he has had so many misses, it isnt funny.
 
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That you keep bringing up his smirk repeatedly is why I can't take you serious most of the time at this point. I have no idea what his facial fetaures have anything to do with his building of a baseball team. I'm sure he doesn't think of himself as the smartest guy in the room either if you've ever heard him speak he's constantly trying to learn more about the game. Stearns clearly did a lot of good for the Brewers organization even if it didn't end in a WS win.

He had a huge year one. He had a bad year two. It's been discussed ad naseum here by me in previous posts on some of my thoughts as to why. You don't like to give him credit for the good only the bad. He was the GM when they signed Soto but you'll just say that was Cohen when Cohen himself said that is not the case. If Lindor declines yes eventually he might try and get rid of him. GMs have to make tough decisions. We've discussed Pete here they obviously don't think he's going to age well and years 3, 4 or 5 at big money could be better spent elsewhere.

I have just as much of a reality based view as you do which is why discussing the game is fun. I haven't tried to justify everything with a random Toronto reference. I've already explained it and was the first time I ever brought it up.

The raw producton from the batters that have left compared to who we've brought has been replaced and the team is more athletic and has slightly better to much better D now especially up the middle. They wanted Diaz back but he never came back to them to match or improve as they asked him to. Blame Stearns but Diaz made his choice. I agree we need another high end starter. We could use one more pen arm but who couldn't. We'll see on the field this season who was more correct.
 
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yesrutgers01 said:
Well- he certainly fits a Stearns profile- Club options so, we can option his *** out next year if we want. lol

I'm actually ok with this trade. We didn't give up much and Roberts is better than Taylor or an empty LF...It is actually a move that does improve our team. Glad to see Stearns has that in him. Still a small market move though. Go get Peralta and sign Bellinger out from under the Yankees and I will give Stearns some credit...
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Small market move?
 
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willisneverrana43 said:
Since I never really considered Acuna to be a good prospect (other than some at bats in the instructional league, he’s never hit anywhere that isn’t Venezuela), Stearns still hasn’t touched our prospect pool this off season. That means that he’s still got young talent to make s deal for an arm he likes while still leaving a lot of talent behind in the system. That said, if we go into the spring actively considering Tong, McLean, Sproat, and Scott for the rotation, and Benge, Williams, Mauricio, Baty and Vientos for the field, I’ll find it entertaining. Much like this off-season.
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Nailed it. I agree 100%
 
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yesrutgers01 said:
Looks like a Stearns team- good enough to make the playoffs but no where good enough to make a run to win it all. If everything goes right- he can pull off a WC type 86-90 win season.
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You must be looking past a deadline move that swings the team into a top contender. Think Big George when THE YANKEES WERE THE DODGERS!
 
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RutgersNJ said:
Small market move?
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I actually like the move but it is small market because instead of really pursuing a better player that would require a longer term, he went for a guy that he can dump next year if he wants to. Forget the $20 mil- that is where Stearns gets to have quality sand in his small market sandbox- Stearns only did this because he refuses to give a long contract to anyone.
 
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Zak57 said:
That you keep bringing up his smirk repeatedly is why I can't take you serious most of the time at this point. I have no idea what his facial fetaures have anything to do with his building of a baseball team. I'm sure he doesn't think of himself as the smartest guy in the room either if you've ever heard him speak he's constantly trying to learn more about the game. Stearns clearly did a lot of good for the Brewers organization even if it didn't end in a WS win.
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I coached a kid who would smile every time someone yelled at him. What I learn later was that the smile was a defensive reaction to the yelling. It was his way of deflecting that which he couldn't handle. It just came off to people as the kid being an @sshole and not caring. I'm under the impression that is how Stearns handles situations, as someone questioned his moves. It can rub people the wrong way. Add that reaction and some of his moves, and it's easy to see why people are pissed with him.
 
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