OT: NY Mets 2025 Season Thread

[nutfromSEC117]

 

[ruready4somefootball_rivals]

I was thinking about Lindor just now- Not only will he end up the best SS in NYM history, what does he have to do to be the best ever? I wanted to lean on championships, but that may not be fair- he is a consistent "true" GG guy, he will most likely end up with 1500 runs 1400 RBI, 400 HR 350 SB
The only true SS to compare would be Jeter and he will end up with more runs, hits and rings but was not even close to the power or fielding.

A-Rod was a better fielding SS than Jeter by far but Jeter couldn't bring himself to admit that.

 

[yesrutgers01]

A-Rod was a better fielding SS than Jeter by far but Jeter couldn't bring himself to admit that.

At the time he came to the Yankees- Derek was still pretty good.
I don’t think any team in history would have any problem either of the 2 being their SS

 

[Zak57]

1. Honus Wagner - 127.2
2. A-Rod - 113.6
3. Cal Ripken Jr. - 92.5
4. Derek Jeter - 73.0
5. Luke Appling - 72.6
6. Arky Vaughan - 72.4
7. Ozzie Smith - 67.6
8. Barry Larkin - 67.0
9. Joe Cronin - 66.6
10. Robin Yount - 66.5
11. Lou Boudreau - 64.4
12. Alan Trammell - 63.7
13. Ernie Banks - 63.3
14. Pee Wee Reese - 61.2
15. Francisco Lindor - 57.1

All of these WAR's and other advanced stats just grind at my old time baseball self. lol
I mean, I get it, back when Appling/Reese etc type guys played, it was a different game.

But, let's really do a true eyeball.
Wagner- just hard to say anything against him as even Beaced didn't see him play...but maybe he will always deserve number 1.
I actually feel that Jeter owns the spot right now. I know that so many kill him for defense but while he may not have been great- he was always in the right place at the right time. And his lifetime and yearly stats are just so consistently good to great.
AROD- roids and more than half his career at 3B, Ripken, tons of his stats are 3B. Appling/Vaughn???? Ozzie- he was a magician but how much was aided by the turf (to be fair, he would have been a great fielder regardless) - but dude became a better hitter but since Lindor is a really good fielder, Lindor is better. Larkin- love him but not better. Cronin??? Yount- played a lot of OF but he wasn't better even when at SS.
Broudreau??? Trammel- Loved him but not better- just a very long career, Banks- majority of his career was not at SS

I do think Lindor is pushing that top 5 at this point. If he can find an MVP...hmmmmm

Yes WAR is cumulative so you can have compilers in there with long careers.

 

[gman500]

Derek Jeter was one of the most overrated defensive ss of all time. His range was bad, his career dWar was like -9. He won GG’s based on his offense.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Mets: "We're going to have a glut of starting pitching! What are we going to do?"

Tylor Megill: "Hold my beer."

 

[Doctor Worm]

OMG where does the time go. Gary Cohen just mentioned that Clayton Kershaw is one of only two active players who have ever played in Shea Stadium.

The other is Max Scherzer.

 

[AntiG]

Derek Jeter was one of the most overrated defensive ss of all time. His range was bad, his career dWar was like -9. He won GG’s based on his offense.

Jeter has to be one of the worst defensive shortstops over the past few decades that actually started regularly. Almost every SS out there was in the lineup due to his defense (like Ordonez) and the ones that were superior hitters usually moved somewhere else if they were poor or even mediocre fielders...

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Very nice job by Megill after a bad 1st inning. Now just need to coax 6 more outs to end the night happy again.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Garett. Stones.

 

[Newbrunfus]

Knew that was coming as soon as Diaz didn’t come in to close it out. Hope we can get to extras and still pull out the W

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Knew that was coming as soon as Diaz didn’t come in to close it out. Hope we can get to extras and still pull out the W

Should have gone changeup up 1-2 in the count. Muncy has been on a home run tear lately. And unlike most of us lefties he likes the ball up. Maybe Alvarez wasn't paying attention to what Muncy did in that list inning because it was basically the same pitch on the 2nd home run as the 1st. Hard to imagine since he was right behind the plate. At least Brazoban did regroup quickly.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Don't like our chances to see an 11th inning now. Hope for the best

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Another good game. Didn't go our way this time. Still in good shape for at least a split.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Knew that was coming as soon as Diaz didn’t come in to close it out. Hope we can get to extras and still pull out the W

What's the deal with Mendoza having Diaz pitch back to back days? Yet he throw Brazoban out there after he threw 32 pitches the night before like Diaz (19 pitches). It's like Mendoza has more faith and trust in guys who have less of a track record than Diaz.

 

[Doctor Worm]

What's the deal with Mendoza having Diaz pitch back to back days? Yet he throw Brazoban out there after he threw 32 pitches the night before like Diaz (19 pitches). It's like Mendoza has more faith and trust in guys who have less of a track record than Diaz.

Mendoza is willing to pitch Diaz back to back. What he is not willing to do is have Diaz pitch four out of five, which would have been the case last night. At least not in June he isn't.

You manage for 162. Hopefully more than that.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Mendoza is willing to pitch Diaz back to back. What he is not willing to do is have Diaz pitch four out of five, which would have been the case last night. At least not in June he isn't.

You manage for 162. Hopefully more than that.

I can't even try to find fault in pitching management at this point. Brazoban has been lights out most of the season. If Mendoza wants to keep Diaz fresh for the dog days and the playoffs- we really have some live arms in the BP. So- I wouldn't worry about a single game.

 

[Zak57]

Another good game. Didn't go our way this time. Still in good shape for at least a split.

Exactly. Get the split which gives us the season series W which could be important at the end of the year in a tie breaking scenario. Hopefully the win comes tonight and we can play with some house money tomorrow afternoon.

 

[Knight Shift]

Mets: "We're going to have a glut of starting pitching! What are we going to do?"

Tylor Megill: "Hold my beer."

Premature and silly. He hung in and finished well. Besides, the Dodgers are 1st or 2nd in all of MLB in offensive categories.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Premature and silly. He hung in and finished well. Besides, the Dodgers are 1st or 2nd in all of MLB in offensive categories.

Barring injuries, it is likely that Megill will go down, when both Montas and Manaea return. Megill needs to send management the message that he absolutely MUST stay up. He did not do that last night. He doesn't have very many more chances left.

Yes, Megill recovered nicely but the damage was done. He put the bullpen in a position where it had to be perfect.

 

[Zak57]

3 out of the 4 full season teams are currently in first place. A lot of organizations view winning in the minors as a very important step in the development in the players. Starts with the culture down there.

Syracuse 27-31 (15.0 Games Back)
Binghamton 34-17 (5.0 Games Ahead)
Brooklyn 37-15 (1.5 Games Ahead)
St. Lucie 28-23 (4.5 Games Ahead)

McLean out of the pen tonight after Montas had his rehab start and got blown up. Montas was well not good. 4.0 IP 8 H 5 R 5 ER 1 BB 3 K 4 HR.

#29 Will Watson was promoted to Brooklyn. He was our 7th rounder last year. I added 2 more interesting arms who have been performing well in Brooklyn with Brendan Girton and R.J. Gordon who were some more collegiate arms from our draft last year. Girton in the 10th and Gordon in the 13th. Some of these college arms in the minors could be advanced for the league which is why they're doing well but interesting enough to monitor for now.

Pena was HBP twice yesterday and ended up leaving the game a little early so hopefully no injury there right after his debut.

June 3 Mets Farm Report (Top 30 Prospects per MLB Pipeline)

AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)

1. Brandon Sproat RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
2. Jett Williams SS/OF (AA Binghamton) - 0/3, R, 2 BB, 2 K, SB(17), .266/.813
3. Carson Benge OF (High A Brooklyn) - 2/5, R, RBI, K, SB(11), .307/.921
4. Ryan Clifford 1B/OF (AA Binghamton) - 0/3, BB, .229/.762
5. Nolan McLean RHP (AAA Syracuse) - 4.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 6 K, 0 HR, 2.63
6. Jonah Tong RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
7. Jesus Baez SS/3B (High A Brooklyn) - 3/5, 2B(6), 2 R, 2 RBI, 2 K, .288/.813
8. Elian Pena SS (Rookie DSL Mets Orange) - 0/2, BB, K, .000/.500
9. Ronny Mauricio INF (MLB NY Mets) - 0/4, K, .000/.000
10. Drew Gilbert OF (AAA Syracuse) - 1/5, R, RBI, .210/.637
11. Jeremy Rodriguez SS (Low A St. Lucie) - 0/4, BB, 4 K, .236/.626
12. Jonathan Santucci LHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
13. Boston Baro INF (High A Brooklyn) - 2/5, 3B(3), 2B(7), 2 R, RBI, K, .215/.609
14. Marco Vargas INF (High A Brooklyn) - 1/5, R, RBI, K, SB(12), .227/.583
15. Blade Tidwell RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
16. Trey Snyder SS/3B (Low A St. Lucie) - 0/5, R, .222/.659
17. Nick Morabito OF (AA Binghamton) - 2/5, 2B(14), R, 2 RBI, 2 K, .280/.771
18. Nate Dohm RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
19. Daiverson Gutierrez C (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
20. Jacob Reimer 3B (High A Brooklyn) - 1/4, R, RBI, BB, .317/.984
21. Christopher Suero C/1B (High A Brooklyn) - 2/4, 2B(8), RBI, BB, 2 K, .250/.870
22. Eli Serrano OF (High A Brooklyn) - Injured
23. Jonathan Pintaro RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
24. Edward Lantigua OF (Rookie FCL Mets) - PPD
25. Dom Hamel RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
26. Ronald Hernandez C (High A Brooklyn) - 1/5, HR(5), R, 2 RBI, K, .257/.752
27. A.J. Ewing OF/2B (High A Brooklyn) - 1/3, 2 R, 2 BB, K, 2 SB(25), .342/.894
28. Jack Wenninger RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
29. Will Watson RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
30. Colin Houck SS/3B (Low A St. Lucie) - 2/5, 2B(10), R, 3 K, .233/.772

Honorable Mention

Felipe De La Cruz LHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
Zach Thornton LHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Dylan Ross RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Ryan Lambert RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Anthony Nunez RHP (AA Binghamton) - 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 HR, 3.52
Douglas Orellana RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Brendan Girton RHP (High A Brooklyn) - 4.1 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 0 HR, 3.38, W(3-1)
R.J. Gordon RHP (High A Brooklyn) - 3.2 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 0 HR, 2.93
Joel Diaz RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Noah Hall RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Matt Allan RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Raimon Gomez RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Saul Garcia RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Edgar Moreta RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Mendoza is willing to pitch Diaz back to back. What he is not willing to do is have Diaz pitch four out of five, which would have been the case last night. At least not in June he isn't.

You manage for 162. Hopefully more than that.

4 or 5 outs? It was the bottom of the 9th in 5-4 game. All you needed was 3 outs. Also, your answer runs counter to why Brazoban was allowed to pitch after he threw 30+ pitches the day after?

 

[Zak57]

4 or 5 outs? It was the bottom of the 9th in 5-4 game. All you needed was 3 outs. Also, your answer runs counter to why Brazoban was allowed to pitch after he threw 30+ pitches the day after?

No pitch 4 times in 5 days.

 

[Zak57]

Bing had an early one today that's still going. Jonah Tong with another dominant start. The walks all came in the 2nd inning and was unhittable besides that.

5.0 IP 0 H 0 R 0 ER 3 BB 11 K 2.02

 

[shields]

Larkin deserves more credit, Marge Schott was the owner. Wanted to know why Reds needed scouts.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

No pitch 4 times in 5 days.

I get it's long season, but there are certain games where you want to make a statement to a team you may face in the post season. Anyone who has played sports at any level understand the mental aspect of the game is just as important as the physical. The Mets had and still have an opportunity to create doubt in the minds of the Dodgers even if it's for a minute. That plays big later in post season when the opponent faces the same situation. Think of it this way, when stars come to play at Madison Square Garden they take their game to another level. Show up and show out because it's the big stage. It's how others see, judge, and develop fear of you.

 

[gman500]

Bing had an early one today that's still going. Jonah Tong with another dominant start. The walks all came in the 2nd inning and was unhittable besides that.

5.0 IP 0 H 0 R 0 ER 3 BB 11 K 2.02

His numbers remind me of Scott Kazmir’s when he was in the Mets system

 

[RUforJERSEY]

All-Star voting is now open. I just voted for Lindor and Alonso. I hope Lindor gets in this time and starts. Rather than someone less deserving like Dansby Swanson, Cruz or DelaCruz. I'm sure that either Freeman or Harper will probably win the vote for 1B, but I think this year Alonso is deserving of making the team. I wouldn't have said that last year.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

 

[yesrutgers01]

All-Star voting is now open. I just voted for Lindor and Alonso. I hope Lindor gets in this time and starts. Rather than someone less deserving like Dansby Swanson, Cruz or DelaCruz. I'm sure that either Freeman or Harper will probably win the vote for 1B, but I think this year Alonso is deserving of making the team. I wouldn't have said that last year.

Lindor should be starting. no questions asked. Pete- hard call, how does he get the start over Freeman? But Pete should be on the team. diaz should make it and Senga...Peterson is having an AS type season but I doubt he makes it.

 

[MadRU]

Pete oppo

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Guys that should be considered for AS are:
Lindor
Pete
Senga
Peterson
Diaz
Maybe Holmes

At least 3 should make it. My gut feeling is 4 will make it.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Let's keep adding on.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Had a bad feeling after hitting Conforto who can't hit for sh-t at this point and frankly I'm surprised they didn't pinch hit for him. But Castillo recovered nicely.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Put it in the books! House money tomorrow. But let's beat em again.

 

[willisneverrana43]

I get it's long season, but there are certain games where you want to make a statement to a team you may face in the post season. Anyone who has played sports at any level understand the mental aspect of the game is just as important as the physical. The Mets had and still have an opportunity to create doubt in the minds of the Dodgers even if it's for a minute. That plays big later in post season when the opponent faces the same situation. Think of it this way, when stars come to play at Madison Square Garden they take their game to another level. Show up and show out because it's the big stage. It's how others see, judge, and develop fear of you.

What?

 

[RuBird]

Guys that should be considered for AS are:
Lindor
Pete
Senga
Peterson
Diaz
Maybe Holmes

At least 3 should make it. My gut feeling is 4 will make it.

Might be hard to keep Canning off that list. Should be considered not necessarily making the AS though

 

[yesrutgers01]

Might be hard to keep Canning off that list. Should be considered not necessarily making the AS though

You can say the same for any starter not named Megill.

 

[ruready4somefootball_rivals]

Great Mets baseball night and baseball night in general. I'll sleep a lot better than I did Tuesday night.