OT: Primetime Purge In Colorado

Knight Shift

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Not sure about that. CU schedule looks like an O/U number of four. Best case OOC is 2-1 depending on Nebraska. They're not beating TCU, Oregon, SC or UCLA. Figure 5-7 is the ceiling IMHO and that's if he can get some players.
Is it me or does anyone else thinks that not even knowing who is in your program at this date is not good?
Depth will be a huge issue, particularly on DL.
 

tico brown

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It will be interesting to see what happens there. I mean they were 1-11 and their “best” players didn’t have eye popping stats, but you can’t gut an entire roster overnight and expect to improve- can you?
One way to find out.
 
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One way to find out.
I'm surprised at the volume and that he's done it at a time that seems pretty late.

Just FYI, all these players would still have to have their scholarships honored at Colorado if they chose to stay. Obviously just as a student though, not on the team.

But as I say often when people complain about NIL, portal etc...players want to play so most of them will likely move on to other landing spots. There's always an opportunity to find contributing talent for any program not just the high status ones.
 

Knight Shift

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Paywall article but some quotes in the tweets.








"The five players The Athletic spoke with relayed one consistent reality for players Sanders inherited: He spent little to no time coaching or speaking with them."

The new guys wouldn’t be picked on as much in film. Coaches would tell them to just do better, but if it was an old player, they’d keep going off on what you did wrong and keep yelling about it.”

Wherever the camera’s at, that’s where Deion is.”
 
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JayDogSmooth

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Deion’s publicly saying what other coaches won’t
And he’s doing what they’re doing, but on another level

College fb is a business
Loyalty is few and far between

WTBS, I would not bet against Prime
He’s been successful everywhere

I don’t like some of his antics, but of course I love him bc what he did for FSU (Hunter situation not withstanding)
 

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College sports at its worst. The new NCAA rule that a new coach can cut 10 players is quite telling, prioritizing the interests of the coach over the interests of the “students”. And Sanders will just cut 60 players anyway.
 
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ashokan

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Deion’s publicly saying what other coaches won’t
And he’s doing what they’re doing, but on another level

College fb is a business
Loyalty is few and far between

WTBS, I would not bet against Prime
He’s been successful everywhere

I don’t like some of his antics, but of course I love him bc what he did for FSU (Hunter situation not withstanding)


There's more to the purge at Colorado than just the quality of football.
UC was once a top CFB program with the third most NFL players - and good bowls and top rankings.
Then the program went to seed with all kinds of sketchy business surrounding it.
There were always charges real and imagined, and both kept UC down while some quality coaches and players avoided the place.
Sanders is focused on fixing all that in conspicuous fashion.
When he makes it clear he doesn't like some players he doesn't always mean they are bad performers.
One new transfer from Dec- Deuce Roberson - has a broad cloud of sexual abuse scandals following him and there are student petitions to get rid of him.
He's not the kind of player Prime wants around.
He was from Colorado and picked UC as he left a CC program.
He is now gone from UC football

On most CFB teams there are some players who will go to a party and break furniture and pull girls pigtails.
If enough of that type jell as a group the bottom can fall out.
That's where Colorado has been a Sanders knows it
There are too many players on a cfb team to get all tangled-up in each one and or try to babysit.
Sanders is keeping focused on the flipping the script as fast and as thorough as possible.
He wants HIS type of player he's not shy about it.
Media crying about Sanders "mean purge" would be the first to make accusations if purged players acted-up.



“You all know that we’re gonna move on from some of the team members and we’re gonna reload and get some kids that we really identify with,” Sanders said after the spring game. “So this process is gonna be quick, it’s gonna be fast, but we’re gonna get it done.”

“If there’s any dysfunction or obstruction with your girlfriend, fiancée, or whoever, with any abuse, that’s it, it’s over,” Sanders said. “Don’t call me, don’t have your momma call me, don’t call rick. It’s a wrap. You understand that? We gon’ respect our women wholeheartedly.”
 
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Plum Street

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"The five players The Athletic spoke with relayed one consistent reality for players Sanders inherited: He spent little to no time coaching or speaking with them."

The new guys wouldn’t be picked on as much in film. Coaches would tell them to just do better, but if it was an old player, they’d keep going off on what you did wrong and keep yelling about it.”

Wherever the camera’s at, that’s where Deion is.”
I would not be surprised if Colorado wins the pac 12 in 2024 .
 

JayDogSmooth

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There's more to the purge at Colorado than just the quality of football.
UC was once a top CFB program with the third most NFL players - and good bowls and top rankings.
Then the program went to seed with all kinds of sketchy business surrounding it.
There were always charges real and imagined, and both kept UC down while some quality coaches and players avoided the place.
Sanders is focused on fixing all that in conspicuous fashion.
When he makes it clear he doesn't like some players he doesn't always mean they are bad performers.
One new transfer from Dec- Deuce Roberson - has a broad cloud of sexual abuse scandals following him and there are student petitions to get rid of him.
He's not the kind of player Prime wants around.
He was from Colorado and picked UC as he left a CC program.
He is now gone from UC football

On most CFB teams there are some players who will go to a party and break furniture and pull girls pigtails.
If enough of that type jell as a group the bottom can fall out.
That's where Colorado has been a Sanders knows it
There are too many players on a cfb team to get all tangled-up in each one and or try to babysit.
Sanders is keeping focused on the flipping the script as fast and as thorough as possible.
He wants HIS type of player he's not shy about it.
Media crying about Sanders "mean purge" would be the first to make accusations if purged players acted-up.



“You all know that we’re gonna move on from some of the team members and we’re gonna reload and get some kids that we really identify with,” Sanders said after the spring game. “So this process is gonna be quick, it’s gonna be fast, but we’re gonna get it done.”

“If there’s any dysfunction or obstruction with your girlfriend, fiancée, or whoever, with any abuse, that’s it, it’s over,” Sanders said. “Don’t call me, don’t have your momma call me, don’t call rick. It’s a wrap. You understand that? We gon’ respect our women wholeheartedly.”
No arguement here
Deion wants to win and win soon
No 6 year rebuilds
 
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There's more to the purge at Colorado than just the quality of football.
UC was once a top CFB program with the third most NFL players - and good bowls and top rankings.
Then the program went to seed with all kinds of sketchy business surrounding it.
There were always charges real and imagined, and both kept UC down while some quality coaches and players avoided the place.
Sanders is focused on fixing all that in conspicuous fashion.
When he makes it clear he doesn't like some players he doesn't always mean they are bad performers.
One new transfer from Dec- Deuce Roberson - has a broad cloud of sexual abuse scandals following him and there are student petitions to get rid of him.
He's not the kind of player Prime wants around.
He was from Colorado and picked UC as he left a CC program.
He is now gone from UC football

On most CFB teams there are some players who will go to a party and break furniture and pull girls pigtails.
If enough of that type jell as a group the bottom can fall out.
That's where Colorado has been a Sanders knows it
There are too many players on a cfb team to get all tangled-up in each one and or try to babysit.
Sanders is keeping focused on the flipping the script as fast and as thorough as possible.
He wants HIS type of player he's not shy about it.
Media crying about Sanders "mean purge" would be the first to make accusations if purged players acted-up.



“You all know that we’re gonna move on from some of the team members and we’re gonna reload and get some kids that we really identify with,” Sanders said after the spring game. “So this process is gonna be quick, it’s gonna be fast, but we’re gonna get it done.”

“If there’s any dysfunction or obstruction with your girlfriend, fiancée, or whoever, with any abuse, that’s it, it’s over,” Sanders said. “Don’t call me, don’t have your momma call me, don’t call rick. It’s a wrap. You understand that? We gon’ respect our women wholeheartedly.”
Two things:
If you want first-hand knowledge about Colorado, just PM me.
It's not UC. It's CU. All of the former Big 8 schools put the "U" last.
U. of Nebraska: NU
U. of Oklahoma: OU
U. of Missouri: MU
U. of Kansas: KU
etc.
 

ashokan

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Two things:
If you want first-hand knowledge about Colorado, just PM me.
It's not UC. It's CU. All of the former Big 8 schools put the "U" last.
U. of Nebraska: NU
U. of Oklahoma: OU
U. of Missouri: MU
U. of Kansas: KU
etc.

CU/UC - for me its just Prime U now lol

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This is definitely entertaining.
That’s why they’re doing an Amazon Prime documentary on the season. I anticipate that restocking with HBCU players won’t work out well in 2023 but if there is NIL money then Sanders will be able to recruit. They have a good chance of being more relevant in 2024 than RU is.
 
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Too many of you are relying on social media as truthful.

Facts:
Colorado's 2023 class was ranked 30th by Rivals and 24th by 247. The 2023 class has 19 signees.
Colorado has 29 transfer portal players (the #1 class). They have guys transferring from Florida, Clemson, Alabama, WVU, Kentucky, Ole Miss, etc. The group will be on campus this summer. The quality of players coming in is far better than those exiting. Prime is positioning the program to be much better than 1-11. I suspect by year 2, the team will be much improved.
 

ashokan

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Thinking about this a little more and I think it would be difficult for most coaches to execute this model. Deion is unique to put it mildly in terms of personality, approach and background.

True.
He posts about God practically every day and even the SAs would choke on that.
Then he says things like that he looks for qbs with high grades and two parents, while on defense he wants broke, single mothers with sons that want to rescue them.
Not many coaches could say things like that.
Plus he does know football.

I first realized that Prime ran a little deeper than the "Neon Deion" of the past when I saw him on Bear Grylls talking about a suicide attempt

 
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True.
He posts about God practically every day and even the SAs would choke on that.
Then he says things like that he looks for qbs with high grades and two parents, while on defense he wants broke, single mothers with sons that want to rescue them.
Not many coaches could say things like that.
Plus he does know football.

I first realized that Prime ran a little deeper than the "Neon Deion" of the past when I saw him on Bear Grylls talking about a suicide attempt


Prime sounds like Coach Mac during my days at CU. Everything revolved around the lord. Around 90% of the team attended bible studies during the week or the morning of gameday... like it or not. When people like that speak, it may scare you if you're not a believer. It's because their tone and words are powerful, and you feel the need to follow if you want to succeed. You trust what Coach Mac and Prime have to say.
 
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One social media post said that players didn't see Prime coaching any of them, and the assistants treated players differently depending on their status on the team. Newsflash, a strong head coach, is a CEO type; the assistants do all the heavy lifting, and separating players has been around forever. It's called a pecking order. It sounds like many players transferring out were on easy street due to an ineffective HC from the last few years. They were 1-11 for a reason.
 

Knightmoves

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This is gonna blow up in Deion's face
Which program will win more conference games over the next 3 years, CU or RU?

Hate on Deon all you want but he is not planning an 8 year rebuild and calling CU a Developmental program. He is looking for immediate W’s for his team. That’s why CU’s Spring game was a sellout with bad weather. How many will show up in Piscataway on Saturday?
 

RUPete

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True.
He posts about God practically every day and even the SAs would choke on that.
Then he says things like that he looks for qbs with high grades and two parents, while on defense he wants broke, single mothers with sons that want to rescue them.
Not many coaches could say things like that.
Plus he does know football.

I first realized that Prime ran a little deeper than the "Neon Deion" of the past when I saw him on Bear Grylls talking about a suicide attempt


I was going a little more simple than that: he's got the gravitas of a larger than life NFL personality.
 

tico brown

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Which program will win more conference games over the next 3 years, CU or RU?

Hate on Deon all you want but he is not planning an 8 year rebuild and calling CU a Developmental program. He is looking for immediate W’s for his team. That’s why CU’s Spring game was a sellout with bad weather. How many will show up in Piscataway on Saturday?
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
 

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I would love if Prime coached at Rutgers

The man has had success every step of the way. He has the “it” factor

No 10 year rebuilds - wants to win now
No excuses

No bs
No fancy slogans, catch phrases, etc

Just about winning, and winning now

And w his track record, coupled w the portal and NIL, i would not bet against him
 

tico brown

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I would love if Prime coached at Rutgers

The man has had success every step of the way. He has the “it” factor

No 10 year rebuilds - wants to win now
No excuses

No bs
No fancy slogans, catch phrases, etc

Just about winning, and winning now

And w his track record, coupled w the portal and NIL, i would not bet against him
Agreed. He’s literally changing the program culture by bringing in new players who was not around for the 1-11 seasons. And he would say fire him if he didn’t get the job done.

However there’s a section here that would fight tooth an nail to prevent Deion from coaching here.
 

RUPete

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I would love if Prime coached at Rutgers

The man has had success every step of the way. He has the “it” factor

No 10 year rebuilds - wants to win now
No excuses

No bs
No fancy slogans, catch phrases, etc

Just about winning, and winning now

And w his track record, coupled w the portal and NIL, i would not bet against him
Where else has he coached? I know he has been an insanely successful athlete and okay TV personality, but did I miss some stops on the coaching trail other than Jackson?
 
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Where else has he coached? I know he has been an insanely successful athlete and okay TV personality, but did I miss some stops on the coaching trail other than Jackson?
JSU and Prime Prep for coaching
Also coached Shadeur senior year I believe not sure where

Success meaning w everything
Coaching, playing 2 pro, 3 college sports

Hall of famer
Tireless self promoter
 
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RUPete

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JSU and Prime Prep for coaching
Also coached Shadeur senior year I believe not sure where

Success meaning w everything
Coaching, playing 2 pro, 3 college sports

Hall of famer
Tireless self promoter
Fair enough. But we will need to see. Running a major program as CEO is a different ballgame but he definitely has the personality for it. It may come down to the grinders he hires to support him.
 
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I’m curious to see how he does. The volume and lateness of the moves are surprising but I don’t really have a problem with it because players are allowed to leave with a new coach too or if they feel opportunity is better elsewhere. It should be a two way street. Coaches and players have to suck it up and deal with reality of the landscape.

They also can stay on scholarship at Colorado but just not play so that opportunity is there as well if they want it.

I think results will depend on his staff, specifically Kelly and Lewis, so we’ll see. USC and UCLA are leaving after this year so there’s opportunity to move up in year 2.
 

Knight Shift

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Agreed. He’s literally changing the program culture by bringing in new players who was not around for the 1-11 seasons. And he would say fire him if he didn’t get the job done.

However there’s a section here that would fight tooth an nail to prevent Deion from coaching here.
Show your work, and what makes you say that?

For the record, I could care equally less/more if he succeeds or fails, whatever those definitions entail.
But I can guarantee this, there will be a cadre of disloyal "fans" rooting for RU's current coach to fail and find ways to sully his reputation. Kind of weird for a RU fan board, but NJ and RU fans always have liked to eat their own. They reap what they sow.

There is more than one way to right the ship.

Jeff Brohm took a program that was 9-39 (3-30 in conference)under Darell Hazell to 7-6/4-5 in year 1, beating an SEC team, Iowa and winning a bowl game. They lost 4 games by 8 points or less.

It will a lot easier to turnaround a PAC12 team. Kaleb DeBoer took a 4-8 Washington to 11-2 in his first year.

Sometimes turnarounds take a while. While he had been at Tulane for a while, Willie Fritz took a 2-10 Tulane in 2021 to 12-2 in 2022, defeating USC in the Cotton Bowl.
 

ashokan

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I’m curious to see how he does. The volume and lateness of the moves are surprising ....
The portal jumps have more to do with the portal rules than Prime

"The spring college football transfer portal window officially opens up on Saturday, April 15 and is scheduled to close again on Sunday, April 30.

Originally, the NCAA laid down plans to open things up from May 1 to May 15, but the Division I Council, the body with that authority to make changes, moved the window up a little further on the calendar to correspond with spring football dates."

 

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Paywall article but some quotes in the tweets.








Am I supposed to shed tears that he is cutting guys? These college guys want to pretend they're valuable with NIL and all that bs but then we are supposed to feel bad that a coach comes in and tells them to kick rocks? They wanted to be paid like they're pros and now he's treating them like it's Pro. I'm rooting for Deion. You all complain this is such big business now, well that's exactly how he's handling it.
 

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One social media post said that players didn't see Prime coaching any of them, and the assistants treated players differently depending on their status on the team. Newsflash, a strong head coach, is a CEO type; the assistants do all the heavy lifting, and separating players has been around forever. It's called a pecking order. It sounds like many players transferring out were on easy street due to an ineffective HC from the last few years. They were 1-11 for a reason.
These stories remind me of the idiot softball players whose Mommies complained to NJ.com and tried to get a hit article to scare Rutgers into firing her because she was making them do actual training and get in shape. OMG the horror. Fast forward a few years and the team is in a much better place.