OT: Primetime Purge In Colorado

Knight Shift

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47,000 at CU's spring game.

Deion has it goin' on!

Attendance was less than 2K in 2022.
LOL.



Nebraska Spring game attendance (Bo Pelini is still laughing his *** off at them). Scott Frost skyrocketed Spring game attendance. That worked out real well. 😂 :

201461,722 (Bo Pelini cat game)
201576,881 (Mike Riley’s first season)
201672,992
201778,312
201886,818 (Scott Frost’s first season)
201985,946
2020No game – Covid-19
202136,406 (Only 50 percent capacity allowed)
202254,357
 
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Am I supposed to shed tears that he is cutting guys? These college guys want to pretend they're valuable with NIL and all that bs but then we are supposed to feel bad that a coach comes in and tells them to kick rocks? They wanted to be paid like they're pros and now he's treating them like it's Pro. I'm rooting for Deion. You all complain this is such big business now, well that's exactly how he's handling it.
Ummm I didn’t complaint about anything. I posted info about what’s happening there with no commentary from me.

Also in a later post I said, I don’t have a problem with any of it and I’m curious to see how he does. The volume and lateness is surprising but that’s it. It’s a two way street. Players can leave on their own for better opportunities and coaches might usher them out. Both coaches and players have to suck it up and deal with the landscape as it is.
 

Knight Shift

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Am I supposed to shed tears that he is cutting guys? These college guys want to pretend they're valuable with NIL and all that bs but then we are supposed to feel bad that a coach comes in and tells them to kick rocks? They wanted to be paid like they're pros and now he's treating them like it's Pro. I'm rooting for Deion. You all complain this is such big business now, well that's exactly how he's handling it.
It's a fair question if ALL college players want to to get paid via NIL. I doubt that they do.
I'm guessing quite a few (50-60% or higher?) are happy to continue playing the sport they love at a competitive level, even in a backup or practice role, or as a backup, and for scholarship players, the free education is enough for them.

Sure, there are star players that want to get paid.

You played the game. There is an aspect that seems to be missing in Prime's approach- development. How many star players step on the field and are ready to compete at the P5 level?

The other aspect of this is team work and the speed of the game versus high school. There is a learning curve, isn't there?

As I said above, I don't care either way if Prime succeeds or fails. I don't know that much about him, and I don't have strong feelings about him.

But this approach seems like it could fail for a variety of reasons--judging talent before seeing how that talent will play out at the P5 level (unless they are a P5 portal transfer); development; team work; and fitting in with the team culture--which seems it may be Prime's way or the highway?

This will be interesting to watch.
 

Colbert17!

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It doesn't really matter to me if he wins or loses. But I never was a fan of his as a player. Despite his pedigree I think that he'll find it a little harder to recruit against Oregon and SC than it was against Prairie View
 

ashokan

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LOL.



Nebraska Spring game attendance (Bo Pelini is still laughing his *** off at them). Scott Frost skyrocketed Spring game attendance. That worked out real well. 😂 :

201461,722 (Bo Pelini cat game)
201576,881 (Mike Riley’s first season)
201672,992
201778,312
201886,818 (Scott Frost’s first season)
201985,946
2020No game – Covid-19
202136,406 (Only 50 percent capacity allowed)
202254,357


Nebraska was 9-4 two seasons before Frost
Neb's spring game as never a wasteland
Colorado had 1,950 at last year's game and 1,000 in 2021
Colorado football wasn't fogging any mirrors.
This year's game beat the old record of 17,800 from 2008
Nebraska going to 86,800 from 78,300 is not "skyrocketing" compared to Colorado more than doubling its old record

 

Colbert17!

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Never saw people get all excited about attendance at a spring game.
Let's see how excited everyone is if TCU hangs 40 on them in the opener.
 
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Knight Shift

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Nebraska was 9-4 two seasons before Frost
Neb's spring game as never a wasteland
Colorado had 1,950 at last year's game and 1,000 in 2021
Colorado football wasn't fogging any mirrors.
This year's game beat the old record of 17,800 from 2008
Nebraska going to 86,800 from 78,300 is not "skyrocketing" compared to Colorado more than doubling its old record


picking nits.
The point being Spring game attendance is indicative of absolutely nothing when it comes to on field performance.
 

ru66

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A college coach can be likeable, smart and loyal at the same time and win.He also can recruit with those qualities. I'd rather have that type of winning coach. Case in point = Pike.
 

RUforlife

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Laughable that the same people dismissing the Colorado spring attendance as meaningless would be on here talking smack about how 47k at our spring game was proof that Schiano has the program headed in the right direction. The hypocrisy on this board at times can be staggering.
 

ashokan

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picking nits.
The point being Spring game attendance is indicative of absolutely nothing when it comes to on field performance.

I didn't even see the game and know nothing about the quality of existing players (dont really care at this point).
However Colorado has to be thrilled so far,
Season tickets are sold out (first time in 27 years) and Colorado is currently most talked about team in cfb.
That's a nice change-up from the usual SEC beauty agent.

Its also nice to hear a coach talk straight without a lot of mealy-mouthed platitudes merged with low-balling of expectations.
Schiano gets some nice guys who are easy to root, for but the B1G is about dominant OL/DL and RU just cant hang yet and probably never will.
I have yet to watch an RU v OSU game because I always knew what was coming and wont sit for a massacre.
Certain positions are just killer in Schiano ball.
How many OL/DL/QB are out there now hoping to play at Colorado?
How many for Rutgers?
Its a grim situation, and the only comparison is that neither coach wants goblins on then team.
 
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koleszar

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People say that because there is a dislike for Prime, and he's doing it his way. Coach Mac did something similar in the 80s at CU, and no one complained. Schiano ran plenty of Ash's players off, and few complained.
Yea but this is kind of taking it to a whole new level. Coaches run off kids all the time, no one is arguing that. But he just ran his entire team out except 16 scholarship players before his 1st preseason. That's quite a bit different, none of the coaches you named did that on that scale nor have any others.

I said it before, do not look at what he did at Jackson St. the talent discrepancy was like Alabama taking on 12 Rutgers. The one times he didn't have that, he lost. There's no way he's going to amass that type of discrepancy at Colorado. I'm still up in the air on this one but we'll find out quick how good of a coach he really is. But one thing I can tell you for sure, it was a genius move by the AD, because I'll be watching just out of curiosity and so will millions of others.
 
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Knightmoves

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Yea but this is kind of taking it to a whole new level. Coaches run off kids all the time, no one is arguing that. But he just ran his entire team out except 16 scholarship players before his 1st preseason. That's quite a bit different, none of the coaches you named did that on that scale nor have any others.

I said it before, do not look at what he did at Jacksonville St. the talent discrepancy was like Alabama taking on 9 Rutgers. The two times he didn't have that, he got blown out. There's no way he's going to amass that type of discrepancy at Colorado. I'm still up in the air on this one but we'll find out quick how good of a coach he really is. But one thing I can tell you for sure, it was a genius move by the AD, because I'll be watching just out of curiosity and so will millions of others.
Jackson State does not equal Jacksonville State.
 
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That latest tweet said Colorado is down to 13 scholarship players from last season that are still in the program. Amazing!

Spring game attendance might have bumped because this is like the circus coming to town. If they fall on their faces this season, I think the bloom will come off the rose pretty quickly. Will he try to run off 40+ guys again next year?

And yes, Colorado may win more conference games over the next three seasons than Rutgers does. For one thing, they won't be facing a string of top 25 teams every season like we will.
 
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RUInsanityToo

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Laughable that the same people dismissing the Colorado spring attendance as meaningless would be on here talking smack about how 47k at our spring game was proof that Schiano has the program headed in the right direction. The hypocrisy on this board at times can be staggering.

Maybe I missed it but the comment was that the Spring Game attendance was not indicative of projected "on the field performance". That seems like a pretty reasonable comment.

Sanders bringing energy and hope to the fanbase and Colorado program is certainly a plus in terms of heading in the right direction. But his team will still have to show it on the field. I'm certainly no NCAA Head Coach - but any reasonable person would think that stripping down an entire program to 13 scholarship players this late and throwing in a bunch of new recruits and transfers together during the spring/summer seems like a risky formula for success in a sport that requires significant drilling, repetition and coordinated efforts among units and backups regarding things like blocking schemes, route timing, defensive zone schemes etc. Guessing that it will take him until 2024 to start to right the ship on the field. But if his team is embarrassed in games during 2023 season, it might hurt the momentum he is building. Maybe he really is a genius coach and will make this all work out well this season. Guess we will see.
 
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ashokan

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That latest tweet said Colorado is down to 13 scholarship players from last season that are still in the program. Amazing!

Spring game attendance might have bumped because this is like the circus coming to town. If they fall on their faces this season, I think the bloom will come off the rose pretty quickly. Will he try to run off 40+ guys again next year?

And yes, Colorado may win more conference games over the next three seasons than Rutgers does. For one thing, they won't be facing a string of top 25 teams every season like we will.

Prime also got 24 new players via the portal (#1 in nation)
When your team is 1-11 how much irreplaceable talent is there?
 

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When Deon was announced, the existing players that didn’t believe that he wants them gone now understand that their time has come.

”Look to your left and look to your right. 3 out of 4 of you will not be here next season”.

The Turk has spoken.
The only way 63 players transfer out is if he pulled their scholarships. If that's what happened, he's a dirtbag.
 

tico brown

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That latest tweet said Colorado is down to 13 scholarship players from last season that are still in the program. Amazing!

Spring game attendance might have bumped because this is like the circus coming to town. If they fall on their faces this season, I think the bloom will come off the rose pretty quickly. Will he try to run off 40+ guys again next year?

And yes, Colorado may win more conference games over the next three seasons than Rutgers does. For one thing, they won't be facing a string of top 25 teams every season like we will.
USC, Washington, Utah, Oregon, among others says hi.
 

voltz99

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The portal jumps have more to do with the portal rules than Prime

"The spring college football transfer portal window officially opens up on Saturday, April 15 and is scheduled to close again on Sunday, April 30.

Originally, the NCAA laid down plans to open things up from May 1 to May 15, but the Division I Council, the body with that authority to make changes, moved the window up a little further on the calendar to correspond with spring football dates."



False. Only team in the country with 50+ players in the portal.
 

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I would love if Prime coached at Rutgers

The man has had success every step of the way. He has the “it” factor

No 10 year rebuilds - wants to win now
No excuses

No bs
No fancy slogans, catch phrases, etc

Just about winning, and winning now

And w his track record, coupled w the portal and NIL, i would not bet against him
Until he actually coached at Rutgers and you would probably hate him.

Deon will probably fail.

- Too much turnover.
- There are top ten teams that struggle to field a good Ol with players who have been with the program 4 years.
- CU will have 75+ new scholarship players. Too many in one year. No cohesion. There will then need to be a lot of turnover next year because 75 won't be properly spaced on the depth chart.
- How many JSU players can really make the jump? Travis hunter and shedur but after that it gets thin.
- Naming his son the starting QB without a practice is shady. If he does not produce the players will resent the favoritism.
- Some of the incoming transfers are already transferring out. At least One kid from jsu and one from Michigan.
 

Knight Shift

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Prime also got 24 new players via the portal (#1 in nation)
When your team is 1-11 how much irreplaceable talent is there?
Ask Willie Fritz. His Tulane team took down USC in a bowl game a season after going 2-10. Good thing they hung onto him instead of going the instant gratification and fire him now route.
 

tico brown

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USC doesn't count for them after this season, right? So they might face three ranked teams. We will face more ranked conferences foes combined over the next three seasons.
Still have to beat Nebraska and Maryland for to be able to use that “Ranked Conference Foe” comment.
 

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iirc, 4real did a lot of work with NFL films HQ in South Jersey. Someone here did.

and number 1 likely because of a full class of 25 bodies.. smart, on his part, to know he can claim that "win"... and next couple years the built-in excuse (or brag if successful) is "we are so young", so new playing together..
Deion’s publicly saying what other coaches won’t
And he’s doing what they’re doing, but on another level

College fb is a business
Loyalty is few and far between

WTBS, I would not bet against Prime
He’s been successful everywhere

I don’t like some of his antics, but of course I love him bc what he did for FSU (Hunter situation not withstanding)
So basically he doesn’t have a 6-8 year rebuild plan, hmmmm
 

jsol_05

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USC doesn't count for them after this season, right? So they might face three ranked teams. We will face more ranked conferences foes combined over the next three seasons.
You play who is on your schedule, no excuses
 

jsol_05

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I think that it's great that his star players basically used the spring game to audition for other teams before they transferred. I'm sure that was their plan all along. That's what happens when you show no loyalty to your team and actually release video of you telling the current team that they should prepare to be replaced - it comes back to bite you in the a$$. As the proverb says, "You reap what you sow."

I don't care if he is successful or not - There is no way I would send my kid to play for this guy.
What you want a coach to look a kid in the eye or tell him the truth. They won 1 game last year, he didn’t get hired to worry about people feelings or come in with a 5 year rebuild. He coming in to win now, it’s a business. Both PT and the players have to make business decision s based on what is best for them. People will criticize PT but at least he is upfront, not hiding who he is and what he expect from his team. He is coaching the way he played. Some kids will gravitate toward him, some will run away, all depends on the player. The real question is how many wins will he have at the end of next season
 

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Until he actually coached at Rutgers and you would probably hate him.

Deon will probably fail.

- Too much turnover.
- There are top ten teams that struggle to field a good Ol with players who have been with the program 4 years.
- CU will have 75+ new scholarship players. Too many in one year. No cohesion. There will then need to be a lot of turnover next year because 75 won't be properly spaced on the depth chart.
- How many JSU players can really make the jump? Travis hunter and shedur but after that it gets thin.
- Naming his son the starting QB without a practice is shady. If he does not produce the players will resent the favoritism.
- Some of the incoming transfers are already transferring out. At least One kid from jsu and one from Michigan.
Doubtful
He’s a win now type of guy

No 6 year rebuild, fancy slogan, 2004 big east type offenses

It might not work out for him, but it certainly won’t be for lack of effort and ingenuity
 
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Fully expect this team to put up work this season. 10-2 a real possibility.
I’d be shocked if he gets that many wins in year 1.

With the amount of new faces, you wonder about chemistry issues and gel time. I could see a jump in year two though if there is going to be one.
 
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You play who is on your schedule, no excuses
Agreed, but I'm just saying that if Colorado wins more games than Rutgers over the next three years, that is no guarantee they'd be better than us when their conference will be weaker. If we are still garbage on O, that's a different story. Clearly we need to show progress this season.
 
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