OT: Significant snowstorm on Friday night into Saturday

Mikemarc

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A light dusting to a few inches possible tonight and tomorrow it seems - not a big deal at all.

Friday - models are showing a larger storm that may be a bit more significant.

Our weather folks - is this accurate? I know alot of people traveling this week so figured I’d ask. Thanks!
 

newell138

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A light dusting to a few inches possible tonight and tomorrow it seems - not a big deal at all.

Friday - models are showing a larger storm that may be a bit more significant.

Our weather folks - is this accurate? I know alot of people traveling this week so figured I’d ask. Thanks!
Excuse me but are you authorized to start a weather thread?
 

Knight Shift

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Excuse me but are you authorized to start a weather thread?
My first reaction was :
How Dare You Greta GIF
 

bac2therac

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Today Non event south of 78. Marginal temps and weak precip field. Some scattered light snow this morning that will have trouble sticking on anything but coldest surfaces...think dustings and coatings

North of 78 maybe an inch or so..up to 2 in the usual spots

Friday plus the weekend deserves a thread for sure
 

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Side streets, grass and walks covered in No. Plfd. Don't think it will be a big issue on the roads. Good scenic snow two days before Christmas.
 

bac2therac

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Models are starting to divurge on Friday event..potential is there but anyone saying its a done deal isnt dealing with reality...some models now have the storm moving north which means rain, others like the euro have a shredded weaker overruning which gives us snow but amounts 3 inches or less. Lots of time to go with that one and will need another day or 2 to get a handle on that and any lingering waves further in the weekend
 
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Models are starting to divurge on Friday event..potential is there but anyone saying its a done deal isnt dealing with reality...some models now have the storm moving north which means rain, others like the euro have a shredded weaker overruning which gives us snow but amounts 3 inches or less. Lots of time to go with that one and will need another day or 2 to get a handle on that and any lingering waves further in the weekend
Divergence normally means bust. Not good for the snow weenies.
 

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About 2" in Bergen. Rte. 4 was backed way up in both directions earlier with traffic waiting to get on Rte. 17 Northbound. Guess the exodus was beginning.
 

RU848789

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Been discussing this for a few days on the other thread and figured it's time for a separate thread given strong model consensus on a moderate (2-4" is my definition of moderate) snowfall and some models showing a significant snowfall of 4-7" (my definition of significant is 4-8"). There are always things that can go awry with a still-not-yet-even-formed storm 3+ days out, but this is about as good as it gets for the EPA-NJ-NYC-LI region with regard to model consensus, as 2-4" is shown by all the major global models (Euro, AIFS, GFS, CMC, and UK at least) with the AIFS (the Euro AI model) and the GFS (and the others in spots) showing widespread 4-7" amounts; the GFS, by the way, has led the way on this one, consistently showing a sizable snowstorm for a couple of days, so it could pull a modeling coup if it ends up being close to right (after crapping the bed on the 12/14 storm, but doing pretty well with today's event).

At this point the energy for this future storm is still over the Pacific and poorly sampled, so model uncertainty is still appreciable (uncertainty on initial conditions propagates and increases for model outputs with time) and it's always possible we see more of a snow to sleet to rain event, especially for 95 and the coast (and especially south of 276/195), as we see on the CMC model up through Philly and SNJ keeping accumulations way down and that possibly even moves futher north into CNJ, but that's only 1 of 5 models showing that. The CMC scenario results from the upper level shortwave approaching from the Ohio Valley, eventually, taking a more northern track to the DelMarVa, where surface cyclogenesis is likely to fuel the storm (not too different from 12/14) bringing warm air further north. The other possibility is that the track is further south than the NC/VA border, leading to less precip/snow for CNJ and northward and more towards Philly/SNJ/Balt. Plenty of time to sort all of this out, but having a decent consensus close to 3 days out is fairly unusual. Here's what the NWS said this morning and below is a link to the AmericanWx thread for those who want to see all the model maps.

Finally, it's been fascinating to watch this system evolve, as there were individual model runs 8-10 days out showing a significant snowstorm, but the models all were showing warmth and rain from then until Sunday night when we started seeing models showing a colder, snowier solution. If anyone wants to see a deep diver into what, exactly, happened meteorologically to drive that big change in modeled outcomes take a look at the Twitter thread from meteorologist Tomer Burg, below.

https://forecast.weather.gov/produc...&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off
https://www.americanwx.com/bb/topic/62460-snow-potential-dec-26-27/page/5/

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
1222 PM EST Tue Dec 23 2025

It appears that a shortwave embedded within northwesterly flow
aloft will pass through the area Friday afternoon into Saturday
morning. At the surface, low pressure looks to track out of the
Ohio Valley and towards our region, with additional surface
cyclogenesis possible somewhere off the Eastern Seaboard Friday
night. There remains significant spread amongst GEFS and EPS
members in where this will occur, ranging from just east of
North Carolina to east of the New Jersey coastline. Where this
occurs will depend in large part on a strong area of high
pressure centered over Quebec, and how quickly it retreats
northeastward. Latest trends have been favoring a stronger high,
and therefore low placement farther south. Widespread
precipitation is expected across our area with this system, and
with the trends towards a stronger and slower retreating high,
the forecast has also continued to trend colder. It is too soon
and model spread remains too high to speculate on specifics, but
the odds of impactful wintry precipitation are increasing.

 
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RU848789

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Didn’t know I needed authorization. …..🧐
Bondi and Patel would like to have a word with you, lol. Funny thing is, I post a lot less on this board these days, so didn't even see your thread until now and despite the usual teasing about "authorization" I've never really cared about multiple weather threads as I post about weather in 7-8 places. Been posting on today's minor event (except N of 78 and especially N of 80 where 2-4"+ fell) and the Fri/Sat potential for a couple of days now in my weather thread and just started a thread on the upcoming storm. The only reason I didn't start a thread on the coming event a few days ago was that it gets annoying when the usual riff raff derails threads that are started "too early." But if the mods are going to allow multiple threads (they haven't always) I am kind of liking all of the riff-raff posting here instead of there. Carry on.
 

RU848789

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Left one thing out. The Euro, CMC, and GFS ensembles (as well as the Euro AIFS ensembles), where the various models are run dozens of times with varying inputs to gauge model sensitivity, which often produces a more accurate picture in the medium to longer term, are all very well aligned on the snowfall for Fri/Sat (more aligned than the operational versions of each model are), providing greater confidence in a snowy outcome (but still not a guarantee).
 

RU848789

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NWS just updated their discussion, which is similar to what I posted above; the one thing they mention that I didn't was that there is a decent chance some folks will get some freezing rain - where and when that is is hard to know, but interior locations usually get that more often. The NWS will likely issue their first snowfall map at 4 am tomorrow (they issue 72-hr maps), but until then, the NBM (model blend) is worth looking at to see what the NWS is looking at (they use the NBM a lot) - note that 1-2" of the snow north of about 80 is snow that is falling today, since it's total projected snow from this morning at 8 am through 1 pm Saturday.

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National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
226 PM EST Tue Dec 23 2025

.LONG TERM /FRIDAY THROUGH MONDAY/...
An active and unsettled period is ahead for the weekend and
potentially into next week. Main period to watch will be Friday and
Friday Night as well as Sunday and Sunday Night as two systems
impact the region, likely bringing some form of wintry weather.

The first system comes in Friday into Friday Night. There is a
lot of uncertainty with this system as high pressure off the
north will result in some cold air in place, but warm air aloft
will be trying to erode that cold air. There likely will be a
transition zone setting up over our area between all rain,
sleet/freezing rain, and snow. The track and timing of the
surface low will make all the difference, and hopefully that
will come into focus over the next few forecast cycles. The
trend as of late has been a bit slower and further south with
the track of the surface low, which would actually result in
more impacts for our region. The potential is certainly there
for accumulating snow, possibly significant, for areas north of
Philadelphia. A wide variety of outcomes exist still among
deterministic guidance, with the GFS bringing significant
accumulations from Philadelphia on north, the GEM having minor
snowfall limited to northern areas, and the ECWMF and its AI
counterpart going more in the middle of those solutions. NBM
Probability of 2" or more of snow is around 50-80% from Philly
on north with probabilities decreasing drastically the further
south you go. Probability of 6" or more of snow is around 15-30%
for the Philly metro, Lehigh Valley, and Poconos, with around a
40-50% chance for North Jersey.

Another component with this storm is the potential for some freezing
rain and measurable ice accumulation. Again, still too early to know
for sure given low confidence, but current probabilistic
guidance from the NBM has around a 30-50% chance of ice
accumulations greater than a tenth of an inch from the I-95
corridor on west.
 

bac2therac

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A sleetfest is very possible. Throwing out those amounts too early. More uncertainty with this system than you are letting on
 

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A sleetfest is very possible. Throwing out those amounts too early. More uncertainty with this system than you are letting on
And already a thread on this:
 
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RU848789

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A sleetfest is very possible. Throwing out those amounts too early. More uncertainty with this system than you are letting on
I mentioned all kinds of uncertainty on track, precip type, etc. as well as precip amounts, so yes, significant sleet is possible, but having said that, the level of consensus among the models is unusually high 3+ days out and a moderate snowfall (>2") is a 50-80% probability as per the NWS (see below). And all I said in my first post was that there's pretty good model consensus for a 2-4" moderate event and the potential for more than 4", which is also reflected in the NWS comment below about probabilities for 6" or more.

NBM Probability of 2" or more of snow is around 50-80% from Philly
on north with probabilities decreasing drastically the further
south you go. Probability of 6" or more of snow is around 15-30%
for the Philly metro, Lehigh Valley, and Poconos, with around a
40-50% chance for North Jersey.

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Edit: and here's NOAA's graphical forecast for probabilities of >6" of snow - 30-40% for most of CNJ.

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RU848789

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Mike Masco (channel 11 and former Baltimore met, who is quite good) is honking pretty loudly for 6" or more of snow for NNJ/NYC/SENY, although he notes the risk for some mixing/rain after a thump of snow for CNJ and especially Philly/SNJ/coastal areas.

 

bac2therac

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One thing that is likely to happen people wont be focused too much on the event because not a lot of hype until maybe tonight. With focus on X Mas peeps are distracted but should get their ducks in a row if they have major traveling to do on Friday
 

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One thing that is likely to happen people wont be focused too much on the event because not a lot of hype until maybe tonight. With focus on X Mas peeps are distracted but should get their ducks in a row if they have major traveling to do on Friday
Yes, thanks to numbers and you for providing a heads up. Appreciated.