OT: Stock and Investment Thread

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

It’s not easy for a fund manager to sell out of such a massive position. There are a ton of implications. You and I can sell and nobody gives a crap. But, it’s 10% of her ARKK portfolio. And, now that she’s in the spotlight, even trimming her Tesla position a little would lead to a further decline in the stock and hurt her performance. Her only play was to come on CNBC and pump it.

CW thinks the world is shifting to EVs and Tesla is the clear leader.
You think otherwise, but always talk in generalities. Why not get specific? Talk to us specifically about battery energy density, cell production, cost/kg of batteries, vehicle performance, software, range, supply chain, manufacturing, safety, autonomy. We could debate valuation all day, but that's not what this is about. Pick something from above. Get in the weeds. Explain to us how other OEMs have an advantage over Tesla as the world shifts to EVs.

 

[Jtung230]

What about cost/kw? And need a specific energy density in Wh/kg. Forget it, you've lost enough money on Tesla, and I quickly get bored when we interact. Robotaxis are already on the road. Every Tesla owner w/ FSD is a potential robotaxi. Just need to activate the software and add vehicle to the ride sharing network. You're very critical of something you have very little understanding of. So, it's a bet you'll lose on Tesla....again.

I’m critical of the stock price and company valuation. I’m not short TSLA right now because there are other low hanging fruits. Will let you know when I re-establish my short position. I’m surprised that TSLA hasn’t added the money you can make from Robotaxi into the purchase price yet. Maybe that how they can convince you it only cost 20k after you factor 10 years of savings on gas and revenue from taxi fees.

 

[RUAldo]

Hedge Fund managers like CW use CNBC as a cattle prod. When their positions start dragging they set-up an interview to try and give it a shock with the hope of creating a reversal. As if CW doesn’t have better things to do than jump on CNBC’s Halftime Report. And, 5 minutes later two of the top articles on CNBC were that CW is still bullish on Tesla. Yeah, 1 article wasn’t enough. Plus, they added the video clip.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Hedge Fund managers like CW use CNBC as a cattle prod. When their positions start dragging they set-up an interview to try and give it a shock with the hope of creating a reversal. As if CW doesn’t have better things to do than jump on CNBC’s Halftime Report. And, 5 minutes later two of the top articles on CNBC were that CW is still bullish on Tesla. Yeah, 1 article wasn’t enough. Plus, they added the video clip.

She's an "influencer" and gets ratings.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Another big boy jumping into the BTC game:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/17/blackrock-has-started-to-dabble-in-bitcoin-says-rick-rieder.html

 

[RUAldo]

CW thinks the world is shifting to EVs and Tesla is the clear leader.
You think otherwise, but always talk in generalities. Why not get specific? Talk to us specifically about battery energy density, cell production, cost/kg of batteries, vehicle performance, software, range, supply chain, manufacturing, safety, autonomy. We could debate valuation all day, but that's not what this is about. Pick something from above. Get in the weeds. Explain to us how other OEMs have an advantage over Tesla as the world shifts to EVs.

My latest comments, while they may be interpreted as anti-Tesla, have nothing to do with Tesla. It has everything to do with CW coming on CNBC pumping Tesla when it’s down 5% this month and 2% today. It’s a huge percentage of her portfolio in comparison to her other positions. She can believe in Tesla and manage her portfolio without going on the CNBC Halftime Report talking up the stock. Her motivation was clear - stop the recent decline.

 

[T2Kplus20]

BTC +52K

 

[Rutgers Chris]

BTC +52K

Must be this...
https://www.fool.com/investing/2021/02/17/the-motley-fool-announces-5-million-investment-in/

 

[Jtung230]

CW thinks the world is shifting to EVs and Tesla is the clear leader.
You think otherwise, but always talk in generalities. Why not get specific? Talk to us specifically about battery energy density, cell production, cost/kg of batteries, vehicle performance, software, range, supply chain, manufacturing, safety, autonomy. We could debate valuation all day, but that's not what this is about. Pick something from above. Get in the weeds. Explain to us how other OEMs have an advantage over Tesla as the world shifts to EVs.

You should rewatch her interview on CNBC.

 

[RUAldo]

If I was Roaring Kitty a/k/a DeepF-ckingValue and the DC jokers started grilling me at the hearing I would play the CW video clip and ask why that’s any different than WSB. Wall Street uses mediums like CNBC as their megaphone to move stock prices. WSB uses Reddit.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Must be this...
https://www.fool.com/investing/2021/02/17/the-motley-fool-announces-5-million-investment-in/

Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon.

EDIT - just watched the Fool video, BTC is going into it's 10x portfolio (investments that they believe has 10x potential).

 

[patk89]

Avis mentioned in passing on their earnings call this morning that they have a vast store of information on their "drivers".

 

[RUAldo]

Who didn’t see this coming...you mess with the bull you get the horns...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ca.fin...ng-kitty-sued-securities-fraud-173103369.html

 

[Jtung230]

Not a bad day for QS. Will have to avoid the temptation of trading it.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Not a bad day for QS. Will have to avoid the temptation of trading it.

I'm shorting QS.
#overpriced

 

[RUBlackout]

Yeah, I haven’t done the math but her Tesla position is probably close to $3B. Tesla is down 5% this month and was down 2% today, but immediately ticked higher after CW’s comments. If anyone doesn’t think this interview was orchestrated solely for the purpose of shaking a slumping Tesla then people on this board don’t understand what really goes on behind the scenes of Wall Street. This is how Wall Street pulls off its version of GME/WSB right in plain sight.

Completely spot on. Lets criticize WSB crew for all their pumping but the heavyweights in the financial industry so this ALL THE TIME. And lets not forget about the insiders trading off information ahead of time...like that Senator in GA

 

[RUAldo]

Completely spot on. Lets criticize WSB crew for all their pumping but the heavyweights in the financial industry so this ALL THE TIME. And lets not forget about the insiders trading off information ahead of time...like that Senator in GA

It’s disgusting and the main reason I was glad to see WSB stick it to Wall Street (or at least try). CW apparently had over $5B+ recently flow into her fund and she wasn’t going to let Tesla drag down her February performance. So, why not go on CNBC and talk about Tesla as a leader in AI and data! Even BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap would have to agree the interview was a total set-up. I realized long ago that Wall Street is untouchable, and the financial crisis confirmed it. That’s why I follow the “smart money”. The lawsuit against Gill a/k/a Roaring Kitty a/k/a DeepFu-kingValue is just the first of many. It’s a good thing he made millions on GME because he’ll need it for legal fees, especially when the Hedge Funds hire the best securities lawyers in NYC to crush him as payback.

 

[Jtung230]

Don’t hate the player, hate the game.....#Bitcoin #Dogecoin #Spacex

 

[RUAldo]

Don’t hate the player, hate the game.....#Bitcoin #Dogecoin #Spacex

Don’t forget #MarineChainToken...

 

[Jtung230]

Don’t forget #MarineChainToken...

#takingitprivate

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

My latest comments, while they may be interpreted as anti-Tesla, have nothing to do with Tesla. It has everything to do with CW coming on CNBC pumping Tesla when it’s down 5% this month and 2% today. It’s a huge percentage of her portfolio in comparison to her other positions. She can believe in Tesla and manage her portfolio without going on the CNBC Halftime Report talking up the stock. Her motivation was clear - stop the recent decline.

She's been on CNBC for years talking Tesla, including the 5 years or so that Tesla traded sideways. In many of those interviews she was laughed at, literally, by the hosts.

 

[RUBlackout]

It’s disgusting and the main reason I was glad to see WSB stick it to Wall Street (or at least try). CW apparently had over $5B+ recently flow into her fund and she wasn’t going to let Tesla drag down her February performance. So, why not go on CNBC and talk about Tesla as a leader in AI and data! Even BellyFullofWhiteDogCrap would have to agree the interview was a total set-up. I realized long ago that Wall Street is untouchable, and the financial crisis confirmed it. That’s why I follow the “smart money”. The lawsuit against Gill a/k/a Roaring Kitty a/k/a DeepFu-kingValue is just the first of many. It’s a good thing he made millions on GME because he’ll need it for legal fees, especially when the Hedge Funds hire the best securities lawyers in NYC to crush him as payback.

Exactly! You don't think people like Michael Burry want every opportunity they can get to talk about how overvalued TSLA is when they are completely short the stock...These people all want to manipulate the market for their benefit and the industry is setup exactly for that. Look at all the scandals over time like Libor Rigging, etc.

It is not any different in sports. These athletes who take steroids to get an edge on their competition get highly paid thought it is wrong and unethical. What is the repercussion? You dont get into the Hall of Fame? Im sure Barry Bonds is laughing all the way to the bank on that one.

 

[T2Kplus20]

She's been on CNBC for years talking Tesla, including the 5 years or so that Tesla traded sideways. In many of those interviews she was laughed at, literally, by the hosts.

#truth

She was on the Tesla train a long time ago.

 

[RUAldo]

She's been on CNBC for years talking Tesla, including the 5 years or so that Tesla traded sideways. In many of those interviews she was laughed at, literally, by the hosts.

I hear you - I’m mainly

#truth

She was on the Tesla train a long time ago.

Yeah but now she has a lot more at stake especially with CW’s new found rock star status.

 

[Jtung230]

I actually rotated into R2K once I realized TSLA was going into S&P. I went through all my funds and rolled any that had TSLA in the top 5 into R2k. So far so good. R2k was just by default because TSLA is too big to be a small cap.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

My latest comments, while they may be interpreted as anti-Tesla, have nothing to do with Tesla. It has everything to do with CW coming on CNBC pumping Tesla when it’s down 5% this month and 2% today. It’s a huge percentage of her portfolio in comparison to her other positions. She can believe in Tesla and manage her portfolio without going on the CNBC Halftime Report talking up the stock. Her motivation was clear - stop the recent decline.

I'll comment on the interview after I watch it. But since you're outraged at the media artificially inflating a stock, are you equally outraged when a stock is artificially suppressed? If a Tesla catches fire, it makes national news. Same for a Tesla getting into an accident with autopilot engaged, or if a window falls off. Unsubstantiated claims of unexpected acceleration as well. Why don't Ford, GM, or Toyota vehicles get the same attention? I'm sure there are hundreds of vehicle fires every day, but only Tesla gets the headlines. I wonder why.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Sandy Munro talks Tesla, Nio, Lucid, traditional auto, manufacturing, batteries, autonomy and the EV future. For those that don't know Sandy Munro, he's the expert of experts in the auto world.

 

[RU05]

She is a victim of her own success. Her ETF assets is now over $60 billion. It’s a lot more difficult to be a stock picker at that size.

So then she has to stick with a stock that she knows is overvalued?

Doesn't add up.

Her argument was right there in the video. It's about growth, its about data, it's about AI,, it's about autonomous. Those looking at current car sales are completely missing her thesis.

 

[RUAldo]

I'll comment on the interview after I watch it. But since you're outraged at the media artificially inflating a stock, are you equally outraged when a stock is artificially suppressed? If a Tesla catches fire, it makes national news. Same for a Tesla getting into an accident with autopilot engaged, or if a window falls off. Unsubstantiated claims of unexpected acceleration as well. Why don't Ford, GM, or Toyota vehicles get the same attention? I'm sure there are hundreds of vehicle fires every day, but only Tesla gets the headlines. I wonder why.

I agree with you - the world is fueled by underlying motives and between the media and social platforms it’s hard to separate fact from fiction.

 

[RU05]

Hedge Fund managers like CW use CNBC as a cattle prod. When their positions start dragging they set-up an interview to try and give it a shock with the hope of creating a reversal. As if CW doesn’t have better things to do than jump on CNBC’s Halftime Report. And, 5 minutes later two of the top articles on CNBC were that CW is still bullish on Tesla. Yeah, 1 article wasn’t enough. Plus, they added the video clip.

CW is getting interviews all over the place because she is as much the face of this current market run as any manager in the world.

TSLA has had similar runs, followed by similar meanderings, numerous times over the past 12 months, so I don't think CW would be overly concerned by the recent pull back.

 

[Jtung230]

So then she has to stick with a stock that she knows is overvalued?

Doesn't add up.

Her argument was right there in the video. It's about growth, its about data, it's about AI,, it's about autonomous. Those looking at current car sales are completely missing her thesis.

No one pays you to hold on to cash.

Kudos to you for picking up the part about car sales. She actually think it’s a risk to the company because decreasing margins.

 

[RU05]

I actually rotated into R2K once I realized TSLA was going into S&P. I went through all my funds and rolled any that had TSLA in the top 5 into R2k. So far so good. R2k was just by default because TSLA is too big to be a small cap.

You just missed a mega run by the R2K. That run may be a little long in the tooth.

 

[RU05]

No one pays you to hold on to cash.

Kudos to you for picking up the part about car sales. She actually think it’s a risk to the company because decreasing margins.

I wouldn't expect her to sell TSLA and then sit on the cash.

 

[RU05]

The idea that CW is in the midst of a pump and hold with TSLA, instead of just selling a stock that she knows is overvalued, is pretty silly.

 

[Jtung230]

You just missed a mega run by the R2K. That run may be a little long in the tooth.

It was announced in November that TSLA was going into the S&P. I didn’t miss it

 

[Jtung230]

The idea that CW is in the midst of a pump and hold with TSLA, instead of just selling a stock that she knows is overvalued, is pretty silly.

It’s called talking your book. Kind of like me telling everyone I bought QS this morning

Come on, admit it. Some of you bought in QS this morning because of me.

 

[RU05]

It’s called talking your book. Kind of like me telling everyone I bought QS this morning

Come on, admit it. Some of you bought in QS this morning because of me.

So is she talking her book, or pumping up a stock she knows is overvalued? Definitely two different statements right there.

As per QS, I've been talking about it for a couple weeks. Mentioned it this morning before you said you bought it.

 

[ddsmugs]

Started a position in HIVE a few weeks ago after reading this message board. Where do people see this stock going? It's been up daily the past few says.

 

[T2Kplus20]

I actually rotated into R2K once I realized TSLA was going into S&P. I went through all my funds and rolled any that had TSLA in the top 5 into R2k. So far so good. R2k was just by default because TSLA is too big to be a small cap.

I moved more into R2K in the late summer. Very happy! However, it's outperformance may be coming back to the pack.

 

[Jtung230]

So is she talking her book, or pumping up a stock she knows is overvalued? Definitely two different statements right there.

As per QS, I've been talking about it for a couple weeks. Mentioned it this morning before you said you bought it.

Check my post at 5:30pm last night. Don’t try to steal my thunder. I don’t get it right often so better give me this one.