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RU848789

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Follow-up. Trade deal announcements coming soon:
Hassett: ‘Big inventory’ of tariff deals ‘close to the finish line’
We'll likely see these announcements spaced out after every big down market day, until we run out of countries, lol, but if we still retain the baseline 10% tariffs, the economy will continue to suffer, with inflation going up and recession becoming more likely. Doing them in series also allows the insiders to make a series of killings in the market.
 

RU848789

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It would be hard to find better evidence that markets believe the biggest threat to the world economy is Mr. Trump’s tariffs."
-Luv to hear WSJ's take on the threat of the Chicoms invading Taiwan...
Nonsensical post. They're obviously talking about economic decisions that threaten the world economy. There are a million military situations that would threaten the world economy more. Do better.
 

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Jeff Van Drew recently said the cap will go up, but probably only to $30k for singles and $60k for married. Lots of members of Congress don't want to increase it at all, but there are enough NJ/NY reps that will block any bill without some relief.

Regardless, if the rates stay the same (highly likely) that SALT cap increase would be a very nice tax cut for us! :)
How about getting rid of the f’in AMT!!!
 

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Nonsensical post. They're obviously talking about economic decisions that threaten the world economy. There are a million military situations that would threaten the world economy more. Do better.
Clueless reply. The obvious main focus of this tariff strategy is China. In other words, isolate China and stop/reverse the growing economic and concomitant military power of China before they invade Tawain. Try thinking strategically.
 

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Sure that's all true if you want continue to drive the deficit to the point of collapse, bleed more jobs, increase risk of not being able to produce critical stuff in time of potential conflict, relying on slave labor, cheap *** subsidized cheap crap, and take it up the butt just because you're making money and dont want to fix things and rock the boat.
Sorry but what exactly do you think is going to happen if the deficit continues to rise (as it is planned to do even though we’re supposedly cutting all of these costs and raking in money with tariffs)? Is France taking back Louisiana anytime soon? So long as our GDP continues to grow, we continue to have American companies and brands lead their respective industries around the world, we will be fine.

Just as my son feels and I told him to learn Chinese.
Don't know how old you are but if you’re young you're likely to inherit part of the trillions coming from us boomers and will be thankful for this being addressed.
It’s not being addressed. The debt ceiling will go up 4t as one of the first orders of business of the fully controlled Republican 3 branches of government. It will eventually be raised again like it always does. You cannot cut taxes and shrink the deficit. The idea that Trump suddenly cares about shrinking the deficit given what is progressing in Congress and after his first term is just not based in any type of fact.

Not to mention the constant bitching about the wealth gap that exists that this also helps address.
Our poorest state (Mississippi) almost makes more per capita than Germany and actually probably does when you factor in cost of living.

In fact: “The U.S. middle class has thrived over the past 40 years. In fact, Americans of all economic backgrounds have done well. The share of households earning more than $100,000 has tripled over the past five decades, and the share earning less than $35,000 fell by 25%. For most of this period, workers in the bottom 10% of income distribution experienced stronger wage growth than those with higher incomes.”(Source)

We are spoiled, hence the bitching, but the reality is we are a highly prosperous nation and we would not be well served to buck the current world order.

Perhaps this is the short term sacrifice Americans are being asked to make and many aren't even willing to do that.
Sacrifice what for what? You want Americans to sacrifice their jobs for some love letter to a different era for the idea of us all working in steel mills again? There is no wealth, standard of living, or unemployment crisis here, so why do we need to sacrifice?

God forbid a real conflict comes.
Note I didn't mention a single person or party here.
Please elaborate here, what exactly can’t we get that we couldn’t get somewhere else and would absolutely need in the event of “conflict” so long as we don’t nuke our standing as the world’s leader?
 
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I caught the key part in that presentation yesterday ( 7:44 in )
Majority of countries got tariffed (including small islands China uses to sneak the margins).
Then countries came back to 47 ready to deal - except China who got isolated on world stage.
That isolation play is a tactic he's used in other areas.

Bessent was gleeful and seemed to enjoy the power play.
Recent articles highlighted how he worked for Soros to cripple-up Bank of England.
Some say that sucker punching Yuan is part of why he got the job in admin.

China "experts" say they will never buckle and 47 overestimates XI's "friendship."
47 says China wants to deal but doesn't know how to cross the line at home.
Xi is a dictator but still has to deal with other power centers including a military that doesn't always like to be compliant.

Xi has increasing problems at home, including with the military. This is the perfect time to lean on them. Hard.
 

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This is on purpose—they weaken their currency to mitigate the impact of tariffs. The tariff increases cost, but weakening the currency means the dollar buys more. If you’re focused on exports, weak currency means your stuff is cheaper…importing a strong currency means you can buy more…so this also makes China more competitive relative to any nascent US manufacturing competition (though usd has been weakening in recent days relative to Euro).

Many have suggested a weapon they have in the trade war is selling their us treasury reserves…a consideration for them is that doing so (while it may hurt us in other ways) would offset the strategy above.
 
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With the SALT cap, AMT is a non-factor. I would rather pay 28% AMT and have no cap versus paying 31% with the current 10k SALT cap.
Interesting point. I hope if the SALT cap is increased, the AMT exemption will be adjusted as well.
 

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This is on purpose—they weaken their currency to mitigate the impact of tariffs. The tariff increases cost, but weakening the currency means the dollar buys more. If you’re focused on exports, weak currency means your stuff is cheaper…importing a strong currency means you can buy more…so this also makes China more competitive relative to any nascent US manufacturing competition (though usd has been weakening in recent days relative to Euro).

Many have suggested a weapon they have in the trade war is selling their us treasury reserves…a consideration for them is that doing so (while it may hurt us in other ways) would offset the strategy above.
FX can absorb tariff costs? Where did I hear that before? 😉
 

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Other way around?

It's a political dance. They'll find a way for both Xi and Trump to get together but look tough. Meanwhile we do know Chiner has been begging others for help.

China reaches out to EU, ASEAN members to take on US tariffs​

Australia rejects China’s call to ‘join hands’ amid Trump tariff fallout​

 
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It's a political dance. They'll find a way for both Xi and Trump to get together but look tough. Meanwhile we do know Chiner has been begging others for help.

China reaches out to EU, ASEAN members to take on US tariffs​

Australia rejects China’s call to ‘join hands’ amid Trump tariff fallout​

Xi is a dumbass. Everyone is Asia hates China with a passion with the exception of like North Korea and Iran. They just put up with them due to desperation to borrow, hence why China ends up extorting them afterwards. If there's ever a war with them, everyone in Asia will happily stick a knife in their backs, especially Russia and its satellite countries like Kazakhstan and Kygyzstan who both are furious over the way that China has their brothers and sisters in concentration camps in East Turkestan/Xinjiang and Mongolia who also want to get their lands back.
 

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I can only access the Yahoo article with a bitcoin money manager providing his opinion, which is favorable for....bitcoin. Is there anything official from Trump or someone else in his Admin?
 
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