OT: Syracuse getting rocked by South Florida

krup

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So far - I haven’t seen him land a player for the trenches. If he doesn’t produce there he’s heading on an even steeper Titanic path. The worst thing that can happen for him would be to bring in super talented position players that fail because of his lines. They do play a dreadful schedule though so maybe that will help.
The trenches are the biggest open question now on whether Sanders is going to ultimately be successful at Colorado, and I will imagine it will be the same for Brown.
 

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Wow, Nunz is the designated punching bag once again, I give him credit at least he can take a punch.
Looks like Fran ran off a few of the NJ kids Babers had taken commitments from, that usually doesn't play well going forward.
Is he the only coach on their staff that has hc experience.
 

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The trenches are the biggest open question now on whether Sanders is going to ultimately be successful at Colorado, and I will imagine it will be the same for Brown.

There are a lot of questions with Brown. The challenge (in general) with these recruiter studs trying to convert to full on coaches, is that even the very best recruiters can rarely bring in built in talent up front. Slam dunk OL / DL guys go to the top dogs and the options are usually pretty limited in the portal. NIL is less of a factor too, because elite linemen are going to get drafted in earlier rounds. Outside of the blue bloods, the trenches will remain an area where player development matters. Greg deserves a ton of credit for this regardless of what anyone thinks of his play calling, QB development, etc. The upgraded trenches is why we are no longer awful. Brown will play less physical teams, so there’s that, but at the end of the day, if his team can’t coach linemen he’s not going to be successful.
 

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And when would those lineman have an impact? 2026?
A Syracuse fan said Two of Coach Brown’s lauded recruits are offensive linemen. They are two lower rated 3 star IOL recruits in the 2024 class. I guess they expect the two freshman OL to start next year. They are funny.
 
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A Syracuse fan said Two of Coach Brown’s lauded recruits are offensive linemen. They are two lower rated 3 star IOL recruits in the 2024 class. I guess they expect the two freshman OL to start next year. They are funny.

Again - it goes back to the above point. Low 3 stars are not plug and plays. Syracuse has none of those which means coaching and player development is required to produce a servicable line. I don’t see Syracuse landing 4-5 star linemen or trenches guys from the portal who can be plugged right into their 2 deep any easier than us. The difference is Schiano and Pat know how to take guys like Pierce and mold them into players. Will Fran and crew do the same?
 

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Beating Syracuse was one of the top five wins of the Schiano 2.0 era according to an article in another thread. Doesn't seem all that great of an accomplishment to me.
 
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The trenches are the biggest open question now on whether Sanders is going to ultimately be successful at Colorado, and I will imagine it will be the same for Brown.
Just like it has been our issue since GS stepped foot on campus back in 2020. It doesn’t happen overnight and now that Greg has four classes under his belt and some portal pieces in the trenches over the years, we are just starting to see SOME progress this year.

Unless FB starts bring in seasoned portal OL/DL immediately, it will take him as long or longer than it has for us to rebuild the OL/DL. The ACC will be a little easier to catch up to for Syracuse when compared to Rutgers trying to catch up to the teams in the B1G, but if Syracuse lines up with a B1G or SEC (or apparently USF from the AAC) in the meantime, there will be a glaring difference.

The bottom line is the game is predominantly won in the trenches and that has been the biggest huddle for Rutgers since joining the league. Once we finally get that to being on par, THEN we (generally) really can focus on the atheletes we have or don’t have. If you cannot win in the trenches the game 9 times out of 10 is already lost. Syracuse fans will learn this next year…
 

RUschool

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Beating Syracuse was one of the top five wins of the Schiano 2.0 era according to an article in another thread. Doesn't seem all that great of an accomplishment to me.
You’re right Syracuse is the worst of the old Big East Teams.

PITT 18 WINS vs 4 LOSES
USF. 9 WINS VS 2 LOSES
RUTGERS 7 WINS VS 3 LOSES
CONN 6 WINS VS 4 LOSES
BOSTON COLLEGE 5 WINS VS 5 LOSES
CINCINNATI. 8 WINS VS 2 LOSES
 
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Just like it has been our issue since GS stepped foot on campus back in 2020. It doesn’t happen overnight and now that Greg has four classes under his belt and some portal pieces in the trenches over the years, we are just starting to see SOME progress this year.

Unless FB starts bring in seasoned portal OL/DL immediately, it will take him as long or longer than it has for us to rebuild the OL/DL. The ACC will be a little easier to catch up to for Syracuse when compared to Rutgers trying to catch up to the teams in the B1G, but if Syracuse lines up with a B1G or SEC (or apparently USF from the AAC) in the meantime, there will be a glaring difference.

The bottom line is the game is predominantly won in the trenches and that has been the biggest huddle for Rutgers since joining the league. Once we finally get that to being on par, THEN we (generally) really can focus on the atheletes we have or don’t have. If you cannot win in the trenches the game 9 times out of 10 is already lost. Syracuse fans will learn this next year…
When you are playing Colgate, Holy Cross, UConn, Ohio of the MAC and the middle to bottom half of the ACC I guess you can throw freshmen offensive linemen out there and hope for the best. We play in a conference where programs like Iowa and Wisconsin won't let an OL or DL step on the field until they are at least red-shirt sophomores. There's a major difference.
 
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krup

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Just look at the photo of the kid on the sidelines. That’s not second thoughts. That’s oh **** why am I here.
One could imagine that McCord did a lot of rationalization as to the current state of Syracuse football and what he can do there with Brown’s upgraded recruiting.

However, there had to be no rationalizing being on the sideline and first hand seeing the athletic ability of his new teammates compared to the type of athletes he was working with at OSU.
 
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He’s zero’d in on the line play. He saw up close and personal how a non power 5 team completely abused the guys who are expected to to keep the DL off of him. He’s a statue passer. Sitting duck for anyone with a pulse.

I don’t know where else he could go but if his father was being real, he’d have started making calls first thing this morning. It’s a disaster.
 

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Just like it has been our issue since GS stepped foot on campus back in 2020. It doesn’t happen overnight and now that Greg has four classes under his belt and some portal pieces in the trenches over the years, we are just starting to see SOME progress this year.

Unless FB starts bring in seasoned portal OL/DL immediately, it will take him as long or longer than it has for us to rebuild the OL/DL. The ACC will be a little easier to catch up to for Syracuse when compared to Rutgers trying to catch up to the teams in the B1G, but if Syracuse lines up with a B1G or SEC (or apparently USF from the AAC) in the meantime, there will be a glaring difference.

The bottom line is the game is predominantly won in the trenches and that has been the biggest huddle for Rutgers since joining the league. Once we finally get that to being on par, THEN we (generally) really can focus on the atheletes we have or don’t have. If you cannot win in the trenches the game 9 times out of 10 is already lost. Syracuse fans will learn this next year…

FB build will be a sugar high next year - their schedule is cream puff and should be easy 7 wins (albeit i would have said 8+ before last night..

2025 schedule is will be back to reality..

https://fbschedules.com/2024-syracuse-football-schedule/

https://fbschedules.com/2025-syracuse-football-schedule/
 
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RUschool

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FB build will be a sugar high next year - their schedule is cream puff and should be easy 7 wins (albeit i would have said 8+ before last night..

2025 schedule is will be back to reality..

https://fbschedules.com/2024-syracuse-football-schedule/

https://fbschedules.com/2025-syracuse-football-schedule/
One extra win from this year with all those great recruits and million dollars NIL. With the difficult 2025 schedule, I figured they win 5 games but I was generous with the toss up games. They have elite ACC teams that they normally lose to which in their best season will keep them in the middle of the pack of ACC.
 
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If McCord is still there in 2025 he doesn’t make it out of week 1.
 

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Really? I thought he was a red shirt Sophomore this year?? Interesting move by Cuse. They should have spent that money on OLs that have 2-3 year eligibility instead of a QB with 1 year.
 

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The time they went to McCord was priceless. Some player tried to talk to him and he was pretty much ignored. No way they get that OL fixed by next season even if they get Coach Prime to come in and get players.
What ever McCord's plans for the future were, I think his last college year is going to be learning how to run.
 

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McCord is an average QB and it's going to be ugly in the frozen tundra next year.
 

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Just look at the photo of the kid on the sidelines. That’s not second thoughts. That’s oh **** why am I here.
I didn't see that but did see them pan in on him smiling etc. If I were dad, looking at that line, the staff, who is coming in, the depth etc, I'd fix this. terrible choice for mccord
 

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The announcers last night made it seem like he has at least two years left. Forget 1 year, he may not survive one game.
I kind of feel bad for McCord. He is a good player and someone I would have liked to root for but even with a weak schedule, that team is a mess. Plus add in the HC, OC and DC, have 1 year combined experience calling plays. That’s being generous too. Woof
 
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