Schiano 1 vs. Schiano 2

[yesrutgers01]

didn't need the west, could have had 8 this season

oh yes, Teel, Savage, etc have aired it out under Greg, it's not unheard of.
one thing is definitely NOT doing is going deep right after a TO. He used to do this often, hasn't done it once this year.

I think we could have won the Wisc game and we faced an Iowa team that just did everything right. Not sure if we could have stuck with OSU/Mich/PSU
But imagine if our toughest games in division was Iowa/Wisc/Neb along with our NW win.

 

[rudad02]

Both huge rebuilds and in a lot of ways Ash made Schiano 2 even more difficult.

We are on schedule - buckle up.

Schiano has been & is limited. A mediocre coach at best. He had a team full of NFL'ers, & good ones, for a few years & could never win a conference championship.

 

[mdk02]

I'm thinking "Dixon" who has been a 5* type player for us- did not have a huge price tag.

This is where our staff has to be the best at- find these type of guys. We are going bowling this year and we should expect the same next year- we actually have a pretty good class coming in and we still have a number of good players returning. We have kids developing that can either start or being good depth- but we need to just keep building this way.
NIL is it's own animal- without it- my expectations wit some winning seasons in the B1G was higher. Or, if NIL, was what it should be and not fans and boosters just paying kids.
I do think we could be an Iowa type program and if NY/NJ ever sees a decade of that type of success, we may even be able to play full fledge into the NIL game too.

With RUs record of putting DBs into the NFL I think this would be an appealing place for portal transfers. Question is how, without a shitload of money, that can be extended to other positions.

 

[vkj91]

And with NIL If it’s such a big deal, if I was schiano I’d contribute whatever it took to get a stud QB. Even if it was 2 million. With a legit QB he’d already have an extension worth another 20-25 million. That would be 2 million well spent. Lol

 

[Plum Street]

All of them except UCLA lose their qbs. Nix, Penix and Williams are gone but the OCs or HCs of those teams have track records of doing well with multiple qbs in their careers so we’ll see.

Lol cmon . If we were in the Ivy League we would have a good shot at 12 wins.
We are in the BIG east . We signed up for this. No excuses.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Lol cmon . If we were in the Ivy League we would have a good shot at 12 wins.
We are in the BIG east . We signed up for this. No excuses.

Where have I made any excuse or really said anything one way or the other. I stated a fact, those players will be leaving those schools next year.

Their OCs or HCs have a track record of finding and developing other productive qbs though, also factual.

 

[Plum Street]

Where have I made any excuse or really said anything one way or the other. I stated a fact, those players will be leaving those schools next year.

Their OCs or HCs have a track record of finding and developing other productive qbs though, also factual.

You’re right . I meant to quote someone else

 

[RuSnp]

I'm thinking "Dixon" who has been a 5* type player for us- did not have a huge price tag.

This is where our staff has to be the best at- find these type of guys. We are going bowling this year and we should expect the same next year- we actually have a pretty good class coming in and we still have a number of good players returning. We have kids developing that can either start or being good depth- but we need to just keep building this way.
NIL is it's own animal- without it- my expectations wit some winning seasons in the B1G was higher. Or, if NIL, was what it should be and not fans and boosters just paying kids.
I do think we could be an Iowa type program and if NY/NJ ever sees a decade of that type of success, we may even be able to play full fledge into the NIL game too.

Yes. If we keep Joe H plus Greg we will "always" get good defensive transfers, especially in the back four. The track record of putting d backs in the league is a great selling point. The problem for me is we need a talent infusion on offense now - and can Kirk make that happen? He is certainly paid like a guy who can, but we shall see. Overall it depends what the goal is here. If it's 6, 7 wins and the pinstripe etc Schiano will get us there no problem. And after Ash maybe we should all be happy. If it's higher I'm not sure we can get an offense in here to make that happen.

 

[JerseyNoles]

Don’t all the coaches coach not to lose (aka coach to win)?

Assumedly so, but Greg is beyond stubborn in his offensive approach
He's not a rookie
Guy's in his 15th season of college ball
3 in the Pros
3 at Buckeye as DC
10 ish at Rutgers, Bucknell, Miami and PSU as an assistant
20 years of head coaching, he's not changing
He is who is he is - a defensive minded, bend but don't break, limit the offense and play stout D ala PSU in the 80's head coach

 

[JerseyNoles]

In last week's press conference Schiano stated that the offense run today may not be the same as you run in the future. He basically stated that we don't have the personnel to go balls to the wall, "know who you are". And right now we are a ball control defensive team. Eat the clock, limit the turnovers, control the line. In order to win this team has to play perfect ball and can't over come mistakes. Once we have more depth and skilled position players then you can open it up and start slinging it around.

I get we're not Georgia
Or Bama
But we take literally zero chances
Ever

If GS was a rookie, I'd get it
Still learning, doesn't want to mess up, etc.

Guy is in his what, 17th / 18th year of coaching?
He's not changing
He is who he is

I'll say it once, i'll say it a thousand times
Great man, program builder, father figure, man of God, etc.
I'd want my son to play for him

But as a head coach, and leader of the program, he's pedestrian at best

 

[Plum Street]

I get we're not Georgia
Or Bama
But we take literally zero chances
Ever

If GS was a rookie, I'd get it
Still learning, doesn't want to mess up, etc.

Guy is in his what, 17th / 18th year of coaching?
He's not changing
He is who he is

I'll say it once, i'll say it a thousand times
Great man, program builder, father figure, man of God, etc.
I'd want my son to play for him

But as a head coach, and leader of the program, he's pedestrian at best

Where does your son play football?

 

[JerseyNoles]

Where does your son play football?

*** Mean to say if I had a son
I have one daughter, but if I had a son, I'd absolutely have zero problems sending him to Rutgers to play for Greg

He's exactly the type of coach who you want your child to play for (if he's a fringe 3 star), or if he wants to stay home

But if you're a 4/5 star and you can play for Kirby / Saban, it's a no brainer

 

[Plum Street]

*** Mean to say if I had a son
I have one daughter, but if I had a son, I'd absolutely have zero problems sending him to Rutgers to play for Greg

He's exactly the type of coach who you want your child to play for (if he's a fringe 3 star), or if he wants to stay home

But if you're a 4/5 star and you can play for Kirby / Saban, it's a no brainer

You don’t know that until you have a son, who is star of his high school team and highly recruited . Maybe the kid is a star receiver . You can’t just make the blanket statement that I want my nonexistent all- state football player of “ I want my kid to play for Greg”

 

[JerseyNoles]

You don’t know that until you have a son, who is star of his high school team and highly recruited . Maybe the kid is a star receiver . You can’t just make the blanket statement that I want my nonexistent all- state football player of “ I want my kid to play for Greg”

If my kid was an offensive player, zero shot he's playing for Greg
Nada, zero zilch

and like I said above, if he's a 4 or 5 star (On D), highly unlikely
Fringe 3 star, then yes as it's more about life and chances of making it big are more slim

GS can get him to the pros, but it's that much harder b/c the team will only be so successful with him at the helm

Less notoriety, less exposure, etc.
it's just a fact

 

[RUTrack94]

I get we're not Georgia
Or Bama
But we take literally zero chances
Ever

If GS was a rookie, I'd get it
Still learning, doesn't want to mess up, etc.

Guy is in his what, 17th / 18th year of coaching?
He's not changing
He is who he is

I'll say it once, i'll say it a thousand times
Great man, program builder, father figure, man of God, etc.
I'd want my son to play for him

But as a head coach, and leader of the program, he's pedestrian at best

Rutgers-Rooski … pooch kick vs MSU … TD pass on fake FG vs USF … happens once in awhile

 

[fluoxetine]

It's season one for him and you're already claiming failure? They've won 4 games versus 1 last year. I'd say that's a big improvement.

Are you ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY??

 

[brgRC90]

Are you ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY??

If it was season 4 for him I'd say no. You guys want to give him less than 1 year to equal what Schiano did in 4 lol.

 

[fluoxetine]

If it was season 4 for him I'd say no. You guys want to give him less than 1 year to equal what Schiano did in 4 lol.

Meh, I have no real opinion on Colorado / Prime. Just a joke about some comments around here about Schiano.

For the record, I think mediocrity is an acceptable and expected temporary result when attempting to go from terrible to good.

 

[RobertG]

I get we're not Georgia
Or Bama
But we take literally zero chances
Ever

If GS was a rookie, I'd get it
Still learning, doesn't want to mess up, etc.

Guy is in his what, 17th / 18th year of coaching?
He's not changing
He is who he is

I'll say it once, i'll say it a thousand times
Great man, program builder, father figure, man of God, etc.
I'd want my son to play for him

But as a head coach, and leader of the program, he's pedestrian at best

I don't get what you mean by we take zero chances? Should he be throwing Hail Mary's every down? Running a double reverse flea flicker 3 or 4 times a game?

Football is a team sport which requires practice and drilling to learn plays and execute them. A coach finds the strength of the team and practice those plays with takes advantage of those strengths. Spending time in practice on low percentage plays takes away time from practicing your strengths. And this year the team won 6 and wasn't blown out by anybody and in most games in the game in the 3rd and 4th Qs.

What chances would you want him to take?

 

[JayDogSmooth]

I don't get what you mean by we take zero chances? Should he be throwing Hail Mary's every down? Running a double reverse flea flicker 3 or 4 times a game?

Football is a team sport which requires practice and drilling to learn plays and execute them. A coach finds the strength of the team and practice those plays with takes advantage of those strengths. Spending time in practice on low percentage plays takes away time from practicing your strengths. And this year the team won 6 and wasn't blown out by anybody and in most games in the game in the 3rd and 4th Qs.

What chances would you want him to take?

Open up the offense a little
It’s beyond predictable
We play not to lose
It’s Penn state, Joe Pa, 80s type football
You can’t win games by doing that
D will get gassed

 

[vkj91]

So you are saying you are a Coach Prime fan. How is that working out?

No I’m not but at least he’s trying

 

[RobertG]

Open up the offense a little
It’s beyond predictable
We play not to lose
It’s Penn state, Joe Pa, 80s type football
You can’t win games by doing that
D will get gassed

What do you mean by open the offense a little? More passes, deeper passes? If you play not to lose and you succeed you win. So what do you mean by playing not to lose? Everybody plays not to lose.

 

[Zimm80]

I think the offense needs to play like they got nothing to loose , ( like there playing with house money ) throw everything at them in the playbook but the kitchen sink , spread the game out more, if know one is open down field throw keep throwing dump off passes to a tight end or running back, high tempo , and if the QB is not moving the offense next man up , the Ground & Pound playbook GS uses needs to be put in a Time Capsule and buried.

 

[Rokodesh]

What’s more conservative :

Schiano Offensive Strategy or President Ronald Reagan ?

Schiano's offense makes Rush Limbaugh look like Rashida Tlaib

 

[Rokodesh]

What do you mean by open the offense a little? More passes, deeper passes? If you play not to lose and you succeed you win. So what do you mean by playing not to lose? Everybody plays not to lose.

It means they don't do anything outside of their vanilla game plan to win the game against superior competition

 

[RobertG]

I think the offense needs to play like they got nothing to loose , ( like there playing with house money ) throw everything at them in the playbook but the kitchen sink , spread the game out more, if know one is open down field throw keep throwing dump off passes to a tight end or running back, high tempo , and if the QB is not moving the offense next man up , the Ground & Pound playbook GS uses needs to be put in a Time Capsule and buried.

That playbook won 6 and got us to a legit bowl for the first time in years and produced the top rusher in the B1G, we were in every game. The team did not practice spreading the game out and we relied on ground and pound because that “is who we are” as Schiano stated. If you move the team away to a radically different approach late in the season you will get more mistakes. Mistakes lead to turnovers and turnovers lead to blowouts. With blowouts you have no chance.

Also if you listened to Schianos press conference after Iowa, Schiano stated that the offense that we run today may not be the offense of the future.

Also our passing game is one of the worst in the country, it would seem insane relying on the passing game against 2 of the best defenses in the county

 

[RobertG]

It means they don't do anything outside of their vanilla game plan to win the game against superior competition

Agaisnt OSU we tried a pop pass to KW in the red zone, definitely not vanilla, against Michigan we tried a throw back WR screen which we haven’t seen. Those plays didn’t work out very well.

 

[yessir321]

So many great games today with really good P5 programs still fighting for bowl eligibility and yet so many asshats on this board complaining about play calling. The most interesting thing is all those same asshats have the negative mind virus and don't even realize it.

This is mathematically incorrect… Allow me to explain. There are 41 post season bowl games played between 82 teams with only 133 D1 programs in the country. Statistically speaking every team in the country has a 61.65% chance of making a bowl game based on strictly the math.

So no, when over 61% of ALL D1 programs go to Bowl games and we have benefitted from the easiest schedule we will ever see in this conference (I know our fans don’t like to admit it but we’ve beat 2 big ten teams who fired their coach the previous week and Indiana, with the Michigan state win coming as a result of pure and total luck, there’s no other way to spin it).

Next year’s schedule is a bear, and I gotta be honest I’m so sick of excuses by Greg. I’m so tired of his excuses. It’s excuse after excuse after excuses never taking the blame, spending $2.8 MILLION on OC’s this year.

At some point folks have to stop comparing him to Ash as well. Ash was the worst coach in program history, great he’s better than that guy!

 

[JayDogSmooth]

What do you mean by open the offense a little? More passes, deeper passes? If you play not to lose and you succeed you win. So what do you mean by playing not to lose? Everybody plays not to lose.

Greg is who is he is
A defense minded coach who will generally run a conservative offense in hopes of limiting mistakes and relying on his defense to carry the day
In the modern works of college fb, that will only get you so far
Hence, his ceiling is 8 wins / year max

 

[RobertG]

Greg is who is he is
A defense minded coach who will generally run a conservative offense in hopes of limiting mistakes and relying on his defense to carry the day
In the modern works of college fb, that will only get you so far
Hence, his ceiling is 8 wins / year max

That didn’t answer my question. Are you looking for a spread offense?

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

This is mathematically incorrect… Allow me to explain. There are 41 post season bowl games played between 82 teams with only 133 D1 programs in the country. Statistically speaking every team in the country has a 61.65% chance of making a bowl game based on strictly the math.

So no, when over 61% of ALL D1 programs go to Bowl games and we have benefitted from the easiest schedule we will ever see in this conference (I know our fans don’t like to admit it but we’ve beat 2 big ten teams who fired their coach the previous week and Indiana, with the Michigan state win coming as a result of pure and total luck, there’s no other way to spin it).

Next year’s schedule is a bear, and I gotta be honest I’m so sick of excuses by Greg. I’m so tired of his excuses. It’s excuse after excuse after excuses never taking the blame, spending $2.8 MILLION on OC’s this year.

At some point folks have to stop comparing him to Ash as well. Ash was the worst coach in program history, great he’s better than that guy!

This year he delivered results. 6 wins and a bowl game. He did what he needed to do.

Meanwhile your boy at East Carolina is 2-9.

We’ll worry about next year, next year.

 

[Plum Street]

Greg is who is he is
A defense minded coach who will generally run a conservative offense in hopes of limiting mistakes and relying on his defense to carry the day
In the modern works of college fb, that will only get you so far
Hence, his ceiling is 8 wins / year max

Lol. 7 or 8 wins a year would be great !! We are overall a very crappy program . The last time we won 8 or more regular season games was 2012 . Yet we are complaining that schiano may do it for us again at some point ??? We need to be happy with what we got and not another ash

 

[RobertG]

This is mathematically incorrect… Allow me to explain. There are 41 post season bowl games played between 82 teams with only 133 D1 programs in the country. Statistically speaking every team in the country has a 61.65% chance of making a bowl game based on strictly the math.

So no, when over 61% of ALL D1 programs go to Bowl games and we have benefitted from the easiest schedule we will ever see in this conference (I know our fans don’t like to admit it but we’ve beat 2 big ten teams who fired their coach the previous week and Indiana, with the Michigan state win coming as a result of pure and total luck, there’s no other way to spin it).

Next year’s schedule is a bear, and I gotta be honest I’m so sick of excuses by Greg. I’m so tired of his excuses. It’s excuse after excuse after excuses never taking the blame, spending $2.8 MILLION on OC’s this year.

At some point folks have to stop comparing him to Ash as well. Ash was the worst coach in program history, great he’s better than that guy!

after each loss GS stated that we are not there yet and stated among other thing the coaches have to coach better. He never threw any of his players under the bus,

What excuses did he make?

 

[yessir321]

This year he delivered results. 6 wins and a bowl game. He did what he needed to do.

Meanwhile your boy at East Carolina is 2-9.

We’ll worry about next year, next year.

Al, do me a favor. Make sure you keep that same energy with Greg when we graduated our entire team the next 2 years and wind up with 2 wins in 2026. Houston and ECU are having a tough year, they are also replacing the entire team and have been to back to back bowl games do me a favor and pull up Mike and Greg’s combined records at their respective schools. How bout you get back to me there

Your boyfriend can’t coach offense Al. He’s rebuilt the defense admirably, he’s done his job and taken the team out of the abyss. Now it’s time to take us to the next level. Greg is not capable of this offensively, we MUST move on. now the pressure’s on to continue the bowl stretch. If we wanna continue it the offense had better get better fast. And I’m sorry to break this to you Al, but freshman ain’t gonna be the ones to do it

 

[yessir321]

after each loss GS stated that we are not there yet and stated among other thing the coaches have to coach better. He never threw any of his players under the bus,

What excuses did he make?

Find another coach in the country who uses the phrase ‘We’re not there yet’…. You won’t, and it’s every other sentence that comes out of Greg’s mouth. Excuse excuse excuse blames everyone else refuses to accept responsibility or acknowledge the offense sucks. Refuses to bring in a QB transfer, lowers our expectations so much that after a game with 10 completions for 130 yds 0 tds and 2 turnovers we have fans saying ‘the qb played well!’

Gimme a break!

 

[Jtung230]

IMHO, you can’t play like you got nothing to lose for 60 min. That will guarantee a beat down by a good team. You might score more points but you will give up a lot more. Playing ball control and keeping the game close is the right strategy. However, I agree that they need to take chances at opportunistic times. Keep in mind that the 3 pick 6s could be their idea of “opening up” the O. I’m certain the 3 pick 6s also probably made them more conservative.

 

[RobertG]

Saying we are not there yet is an admission that the team isn’t good enough and he explained that the coaches have to do a better job. That’s taking the blame and not an excuse.

How is not getting a transfer qb an excuse. How are the fans talking about the QB a GS excuse.

What excuses did he use other than we are not there yet, which I don’t think is an excuse? Are you just looking for him to say : “I suck and I quit”?

 

[Yeah Baby]

I guess almost every coach and QB in the BIG suck because they’re all playing conservative Football. It’s always been that way but even OSU this year did not light it up against us and played it tight to the vest. Defenses playing 4-2-5 takes away the high flying passing games. We are a Defensive conference and that is why a program like Iowa has been able to succeed for so long. It’s boring but they win. We’re right on their heels.

Our fans all love Colorado and TCU. Teams built on straw. Schiano made us a prennial bowl team and his players finished 8-5 in 2014 our first year in the BIG. No matter how much the usual suspects hate him, you can’t take away his success.

I personally want more Offense but also love great Defense. However, I am not blind. I can see why we do what we do and why the whole Conference is doing it. Pay attention and think before you post because many of you come off as pretty dumb considering our surroundings.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

That didn’t answer my question. Are you looking for a spread offense?

I’m looking for a somewhat competent offense that shows a little bit of creativity, and at the very least, appears to have evolved into 21st century football with some creative schemes, wrinkles and the occasional long pass / reverse / new twist

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Lol. 7 or 8 wins a year would be great !! We are overall a very crappy program . The last time we won 8 or more regular season games was 2012 . Yet we are complaining that schiano may do it for us again at some point ??? We need to be happy with what we got and not another ash

I’m not happy with what we have bc I truly believe the potential for this program, though not at a bama type level, can reach Wiscy / Iowa / Sparty heights and I don’t see it happening with Greg at the helm