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[Left Coast Pirates]

Left Coast Pirates has made it a habit to criticize Willard and get Holloway off the hook every chance he gets. LCP has bashed Willard for years. Loves Sha probably because he's blinded by the memories of 30 years ago when Sha was a player, and he's the guy who replaced the hated Willard.

I was never a big Willard fan either, but Sha will never be in Willard's class as a coach. Willard is a better than average coach. Sha is a guy without much of a clue about how to run a major conference program. He uses defense, pressing, and "playing hard" to mask his many shortcomings as a basketball coach. Anyone can get guys to play hard. Real coaches build programs, run high level offense, manage in-game adjustments well, and constantly continue to learn, improve, and adapt to the trends in the sport (among other things). Sha does none of that.

both coaches have their flaws, both coaches haves their positive attributes.

I absolutely defend Holloway strongly, because I believe that many here don’t understand how drastic the landscape of college basketball changed from Willard to Holloway. This has been debated at length in the past and I don’t have the energy for a long draw out conversation again. But you will never convince me that it is not night and day what they had / have to deal with at Seton Hall during their tenures.

My biggest issues with Willard, were the following; similar offense structure issues to Sha, missed out on opportunities to elevate the program to higher heights when he had his best teams, always had one foot out the door, and was an arrogant jerk at times and didn’t treat all the people around the program with the respect they deserved.

I never felt that Kevin Willard bled blue and that goes a long way with me personally.

Who knows maybe Sha isn’t the right coach in this NIL / transfer portal structure. Someday we will have a new coach and you can compare his track record to who comes next.

But I don’t agree with comparing Sha’s tenure solely to the success Willard had at the end of his.

For those who want to believe what Shu09 says about me, I challenge you to go back and listen to our farewell episode for Willard.
I don’t think we could have done a more fair job of highlighting all the various aspects of his time at Seton Hall.

https://on.soundcloud.com/utGfvMZW5ByLlWo6pT

 

[Hall Is Life]

both coaches have their flaws, both coaches haves their positive attributes.

I absolutely defend Holloway strongly, because I believe that many here don’t understand how drastic the landscape of college basketball changed from Willard to Holloway. This has been debated at length in the past and I don’t have the energy for a long draw out conversation again. But you will never convince me that it is not night and day what they had / have to deal with at Seton Hall during their tenures.

My biggest issues with Willard, were the following; similar offense structure issues to Sha, missed out on opportunities to elevate the program to higher heights when he had his best teams, always had one foot out the door, and was an arrogant jerk at times and didn’t treat all the people around the program with the respect they deserved.

I never felt that Kevin Willard bled blue and that goes a long way with me personally.

Who knows maybe Sha isn’t the right coach in this NIL / transfer portal structure. Someday we will have a new coach and you can compare his track record to who comes next.

But I don’t agree with comparing Sha’s tenure solely to the success Willard had at the end of his.

For those who want to believe what Shu09 says about me, I challenge you to go back and listen to our farewell episode for Willard.
I don’t think we could have done a more fair job of highlighting all the various aspects of his time at Seton Hall.

https://on.soundcloud.com/utGfvMZW5ByLlWo6pT

You lost me at Willard “was an arrogant jerk at times and didn’t treat all the people around the program with the respect they deserved.”

Sha might be worse.

 

[shu09]

My biggest issues with Willard, were the following; similar offense structure issues to Sha, missed out on opportunities to elevate the program to higher heights when he had his best teams, always had one foot out the door, and was an arrogant jerk at times and didn’t treat all the people around the program with the respect they deserved.

Fair points, I don't disagree with most of them. The only one I strongly disagree on is that he "always had one foot out the door." He stayed for 12 years at Seton Hall - unheard of in modern times. That's the same as P.J., which is the longest single tenure since Frank Hill 100 years ago. Did he look around occasionally? Yes, but no more than you'd expect for someone who was here for 12 years.

I would argue Sha's offense is worse, but there are similar characteristics. On the note of being an arrogant jerk who doesn't treat the people around the program with respect, Sha is unfortunately not dissimilar from Willard. He's doing the same thing.

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

Fair points, I don't disagree with most of them. The only one I strongly disagree on is that he "always had one foot out the door." He stayed for 12 years at Seton Hall - unheard of in modern times. That's the same as P.J., which is the longest single tenure since Frank Hill 100 years ago. Did he look around occasionally? Yes, but no more than you'd expect for someone who was here for 12 years.

I would argue Sha's offense is worse, but there are similar characteristics. On the note of being an arrogant jerk who doesn't treat the people around the program with respect, Sha is unfortunately not dissimilar from Willard. He's doing the same thing.

We stopped doing the podcast for the first two years of Sha’s tenure. So we didn’t follow the day to day media interactions of Sha as much as we did with Willard.

But they both have similar attributes of being very chummy with the media after a win and very gruff after a loss. I can’t deny that.

Many people have stated how Willard treated people poorly behind the scenes. Maybe arrogant jerk is a little harsh, he was a very thin skinned individual if I am going to modify the statement.

12 years is a long time.

But he wasn’t going anywhere other than being fired after the first 5.

Then after a solid 4 year run he turned down the Virginia Tech job. Which honestly I don’t know how much of an upgrade that would have been in terms of basketball programs.

IMO he came back for Myles Powell senior season, because that gave him the best chance to reach much higher milestones and increase his overall stock. If not for Covid cutting the year short, I think he would have achieved that, and I don’t know if he would have stayed beyond that.

But Covid put everything on hold and then the perfect storm occurred in 2021-22. Turgeon left early. Seton Hall overachieved. So it offered plenty of time to plant the seeds for a north east based coach to take the job of another north east program. Willard never felt like the type of person who would have fit culturally in the South / Midwest. Maybe a large program on the west coast like his buddy Mick Cronin took at UCLA.

 

[Piratz]

I'm with @shu09 on the Willard stuff. I am also hoping Sha is successful here but there are legit questions. While Willard's teams weren't Creighton, he never had teams shoot as poorly as Holloway's do regularly.

Also, didn't Sha kick the tires with Louisville after the NIT run?

And on Willard, the guy was right: He know the scenarios ahead, both at Seton Hall and Maryland. He knew The Hall was in no way, shape, or form ready or willing to deal with NIL. Look what happened. And imagine Holloway's tenure here without Kadary Richmond in the first two seasons? Yikes. Then Willard basically told everyone last March that Maryland was not committing the means necessary, the AD left, and he was right again. Look at them this year, they have the worst power conference NET in the country. Ridiculous.

IDK about bleeding blue - seem like a standard only nutty alums like us could reach maybe - but Willard did and does care about Seton Hall.. I also don't think he's faking the emotions in the public moments since he left. Can you imagine if we got the S16 and our coach said he wished he'd have pulled it off at his prior stop? LMAO. That wasn't posturing, that was legit. From what I understand his decision may've been different had the revenue sharing and commitment now been in place 4 years ago.

 

[NCAAsorBust]

both coaches have their flaws, both coaches haves their positive attributes.

I absolutely defend Holloway strongly, because I believe that many here don’t understand how drastic the landscape of college basketball changed from Willard to Holloway. This has been debated at length in the past and I don’t have the energy for a long draw out conversation again. But you will never convince me that it is not night and day what they had / have to deal with at Seton Hall during their tenures.

My biggest issues with Willard, were the following; similar offense structure issues to Sha, missed out on opportunities to elevate the program to higher heights when he had his best teams, always had one foot out the door, and was an arrogant jerk at times and didn’t treat all the people around the program with the respect they deserved.

I never felt that Kevin Willard bled blue and that goes a long way with me personally.

Who knows maybe Sha isn’t the right coach in this NIL / transfer portal structure. Someday we will have a new coach and you can compare his track record to who comes next.

But I don’t agree with comparing Sha’s tenure solely to the success Willard had at the end of his.

For those who want to believe what Shu09 says about me, I challenge you to go back and listen to our farewell episode for Willard.
I don’t think we could have done a more fair job of highlighting all the various aspects of his time at Seton Hall.

https://on.soundcloud.com/utGfvMZW5ByLlWo6pT

You seem like a smart guy. You defend Sha strongly because the landscape of college basketball has changed drastically. Seton hall has always been in the bottom of support ever since Amaker left and money men got locked up. What you neglect to mention in 45 years of big east basketball Sha has been the coach in 2 of the worst years. So while the landscape has changed also include how much easier the big east is now. A win today and we still have slight hope. A loss today and 4 straight years of not making it out of the soft big east

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

You seem like a smart guy. You defend Sha strongly because the landscape of college basketball has changed drastically. Seton hall has always been in the bottom of support ever since Amaker left and money men got locked up. What you neglect to mention in 45 years of big east basketball Sha has been the coach in 2 of the worst years. So while the landscape has changed also include how much easier the big east is now. A win today and we still have slight hope. A loss today and 4 straight years of not making it out of the soft big east

Did you mean to say in one of the two worst years?

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

My last points on apples to oranges.

yes the resources have always been low at Seton Hall, but if NIL / transfer portal were the same for Willard as it is today…. We would have NEVER seen whitehead / Delgado / KC / Desi / Powell / Sandro / Rhoden and others play as long as they did for the Hall.

Those players developed under Willard. (credit to him) Sha at this rate will never get to experience that at the Hall.

He had a brief taste of it by Richmond and Davis not knowing the uncertainty of the transfer portal rule changes to come. So with a little retention he had his best season out of the four.

Willard while at the Hall never had to turn his roster over 100% while having bottom level resources to start over.

Sha can never give away coaching jobs to attract top 50 recruits, that’s a laughable recruiting approach in today’s landscape.

There are so many different examples of roster building techniques that Willard was able to implement that Sha will not get the opportunity to implement like his previous Seton Hall coaching peers did.

Willard was able to build two rosters that had talent on par with the best in the conference. Heck the 2019-20 team was voted BE preseason #1.

Sha will always have a roster on paper to start the year that will be bottom half of the league hoping to over achieve, unless we get a massive influx of $$$.

 

[shu67]

I wasn't a big Willard fan, but I never trashed him incessantly. He had some pretty good success here. Holloway? Guilty as charged, for good reason. He has proven to be a terrible coach. In this new era of endless transfers, pay for play, four years is more than enough time to make an evaluation.

I think we should evaluate you before we evaluate SHA. There is more evidence that you are more of a terrible poster than Sha is a terrible coach.

 

[NCAAsorBust]

Did you mean to say in one of the two worst years?

2024 and 2026 are 2 of the worst years in the 45 years of big east basketball. we can pull a rabbit out of our hat we can make it this year but never did any SHU coach have such an easy big east schedule. And we’re going on 4 years of no tournament. Add that to your view of the changing landscape.

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

2024 and 2026 are 2 of the worst years in the 45 years of big east basketball. we can pull a rabbit out of our hat we can make it this year but never did any SHU coach have such an easy big east schedule. And we’re going on 4 years of no tournament. Add that to your view of the changing landscape.

You are beyond clueless if you think this season is one of the 2 worst years in our programs history over the last 45 years.

In no particular order

1982-83: 6-23 (1-15) - PJ
1983-84: 9-19 (2-14) - PJ
1984-85: 10-18 (1-15) - PJ
1985-86: 14-18 (3-13) - PJ
1995-96: 10-18 (5-13) - Blaney
2001-02: 12-18 (5-11) - Orr
2004-05: 12-16 (4-12) - Orr
2006-07: 13-16 (4-12) - Gonzalez
2010-11: 13-18 (7-11) - Willard
2012-13: 15-18 (3-15) - Willard
2024-25: 7-25 (2-18) - Holloway

This year doesn’t even come close to any of those.

You have officially shown your true colors. Go take your agenda somewhere else.

 

[Hall Is Life]

You are beyond clueless if you think this season is one of the 2 worst years in our programs history over the last 45 years.

In no particular order

1982-83: 6-23 (1-15) - PJ
1983-84: 9-19 (2-14) - PJ
1984-85: 10-18 (1-15) - PJ
1985-86: 14-18 (3-13) - PJ
1995-96: 10-18 (5-13) - Blaney
2001-02: 12-18 (5-11) - Orr
2004-05: 12-16 (4-12) - Orr
2006-07: 13-16 (4-12) - Gonzalez
2010-11: 13-18 (7-11) - Willard
2012-13: 15-18 (3-15) - Willard
2024-25: 7-25 (2-18) - Holloway

This year doesn’t even come close to any of those.

You have officially shown your true colors. Go take your agenda somewhere else.

Dude. He is talking about the conference. Not Seton Hall.

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

Dude. He is talking about the conference. Not Seton Hall.

My bad!!

So because we were picked to finish last and the BE is having a historically down year, we should automatically make the NCAA tournament?

I still fail to see the logic.

 

[NIL BAD]

You can't judge a coach's personality on what they say at a post game press conference after a win or a loss. Most good coaches are emotionally drained.

 

[NCAAsorBust]

My bad!!

So because we were picked to finish last and the BE is having a historically down year, we should automatically make the NCAA tournament?

I still fail to see the logic.

If we can’t do it now when are we going to do it. Or do we just keep paying 3 mil a year to someone and just say the landscape has changed, the landscape has changed, the landscape has changed. My point is Seton Hall isn’t a much better basketball team than we thought 4 months ago, the reality is teams like Creighton Marquette Providence are much much worse than we thought. We are the beneficiaries of other teams under achieving. We’re not playing a brand of basketball that makes you say we’re playing great ball.

 

[Hall Is Life]

My bad!!

So because we were picked to finish last and the BE is having a historically down year, we should automatically make the NCAA tournament?

I still fail to see the logic.

I think we’re all just tired of not being good enough. The grass was supposed to be greener and it’s not. At least not yet. This is Sha’s fourth year and it’s looking bleak. It leads to tension among us diehards and it makes us wonder if Sha is the right coach to lead us back to the promise land. For anyone to argue in favor of Sha right now is delusional. I don’t care what era it is. He’s not getting it done. Maybe the fifth year will be the one. Or maybe this year. There’s still a lot of basketball left to be played. The comeback tour starts tonight.

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

If we can’t do it now when are we going to do it. Or do we just keep paying 3 mil a year to someone and just say the landscape has changed, the landscape has changed, the landscape has changed. My point is Seton Hall isn’t a much better basketball team than we thought 4 months ago, the reality is teams like Creighton Marquette Providence are much much worse than we thought. We are the beneficiaries of other teams under achieving. We’re not playing a brand of basketball that makes you say we’re playing great ball.

Who objectively said we are playing “great” basketball?

Every respected poster on here has said we are playing high level D (which is reflected in the metrics) and the offense has struggled (also reflected by the metrics).

It had been stated that they have played with fire getting down by double digits in seemingly every BE contest, while blowing a double digit lead vs St. John’s.

the more recent debates have now centered around the offense failure and is it on Sha, the players being who they always were (bad shooters), or a combination of both.

 

[NCAAsorBust]

Who objectively said we are playing “great” basketball?

Every respected poster on here has said we are playing high level D (which is reflected in the metrics) and the offense has struggled (also reflected by the metrics).

It had been stated that they have played with fire getting down by double digits in seemingly every BE contest, while blowing a double digit lead vs St. John’s.

the more recent debates have now centered around the offense failure and is it on Sha, the players being who they always were (bad shooters), or a combination of both.

You twist words. Not worth having a conversation with you. You took one sentence and ignored the rest because you don’t want to admit this team is not overachieving at 6-6, we’re just the beneficiaries of 3 or 4 teams who were supposed to be good who ended up being not just bad but really bad. We’re down 15 every game when we play basketball. When we turn it into chaos, muck it up and not clean basketball we are excellent. High level defense is a joke too. We have a high level press, but the half court D gets carved up the first half game after game.

 

[NCAAsorBust]

Dude. He is talking about the conference. Not Seton Hall.

That didn't fit his agenda so he answered the question he wanted to answer, not the question he was asked. That's PR101. He gets an A in the world of media where there's no follow up. He'll continue to ignore the fact that we're not getting the job done now when the conference stinks. Imagine when Creighton, PC, GU and Marquette money starts working. It's a scary thought.

 

[NYC Pirate]

Hoping we can get just a little more out of (Payne, Fisher, Willaims and Parker). One more basket from each would be 8 valuable points. Rivera is kind of in his own place, usually contributing something at crunch time. Any points you get from Dar would go a long way. I believe it was Left Coast that is looking for 45 points from the Clarke, AJ. and Simpkins trio. Sounds about right. Once The Hall gets above 65 points it greatly increases their chances. Getting into the 70's would be ideal.

 

[Gohall129]

maybe we blame hines? we have no clue why he hasnt progressed.

When bigs developed under Grant we gave Grant all the praise. People refuse to hold Sha accountable. Hines has the talent.

 

[SHUSource]

both coaches have their flaws, both coaches haves their positive attributes.

I absolutely defend Holloway strongly, because I believe that many here don’t understand how drastic the landscape of college basketball changed from Willard to Holloway. This has been debated at length in the past and I don’t have the energy for a long draw out conversation again. But you will never convince me that it is not night and day what they had / have to deal with at Seton Hall during their tenures.

My biggest issues with Willard, were the following; similar offense structure issues to Sha, missed out on opportunities to elevate the program to higher heights when he had his best teams, always had one foot out the door, and was an arrogant jerk at times and didn’t treat all the people around the program with the respect they deserved.

I never felt that Kevin Willard bled blue and that goes a long way with me personally.

Who knows maybe Sha isn’t the right coach in this NIL / transfer portal structure. Someday we will have a new coach and you can compare his track record to who comes next.

But I don’t agree with comparing Sha’s tenure solely to the success Willard had at the end of his.

For those who want to believe what Shu09 says about me, I challenge you to go back and listen to our farewell episode for Willard.
I don’t think we could have done a more fair job of highlighting all the various aspects of his time at Seton Hall.

https://on.soundcloud.com/utGfvMZW5ByLlWo6pT

Just about perfect, particularly the beginning. There is no point comparing the two coaches, who were/are operating under completely dissimilar environments. Willard managed to frustrate without having one hand tied behind his back (although we should concede that Seton Hall is never the easiest place to succeed). It’s hard to imagine he would fare any better here having half the payroll of the teams ahead of us.

It’s theoretical, but I would love to see Holloway take a team into the NCAAs that was as talented as our 2018 or even our 2022 roster. There‘s a good chance he also wouldn’t have seen his team slide back into a three-way regular season league title in 2020.

I’m not at all blind to any of his faults as a coach, but the biggest one is the university he chose to coach In this professionalized era.

 

[JTSHU]

When bigs developed under Grant we gave Grant all the praise. People refuse to hold Sha accountable. Hines has the talent.

He doesnt get many minutes and hes still a freshman. However he needs more minutes but we have to feed him. Whats the point of him in the game if we cant feed him in the post. Hes 265 lbs. He cpuld have muscled that frontcourt last nightw

 

[NCAAsorBust]

Just about perfect, particularly the beginning. There is no point comparing the two coaches, who were/are operating under completely dissimilar environments. Willard managed to frustrate without having one hand tied behind his back (although we should concede that Seton Hall is never the easiest place to succeed). It’s hard to imagine he would fare any better here having half the payroll of the teams ahead of us.

It’s theoretical, but I would love to see Holloway take a team into the NCAAs that was as talented as our 2018 or even our 2022 roster. There‘s a good chance he also wouldn’t have seen his team slide back into a three-way regular season league title in 2020.

I’m not at all blind to any of his faults as a coach, but the biggest one is the university he chose to coach In this professionalized era.

Dissimilar environments but their competition faces the same dissimilar environments. You think Wright, Mack, Wojo, McDermott would have kept all their key players? No shot. The goal is to have your program ahead of your competition not ahead of the previous coach or coaches. That’s where these Willard Sha debates go off the rails. We’re a bad conference right now so you can’t just be middle of the pack.

 

[Piratz]

Well despite all the handwringing over money and transfers in this era, our teams under Sha have been 58, 50, 204 and 50 in KenPom. This would all be our 3rd crash and burn, potentially, after starting BE 8-5, 6-1, and 4-1. We used to give Willard such **** for that.

We’ve just stunk situationally at getting the needed results to be NCCAT or BET winners, which is funny since Sha is credited most for his teams’ performances in big spots. And ofc today we come off a loss that looked exactly like that first BET game.

 

[Bud Boomer]

Shaheen has 3 of 4 seasons in the Kenpom top 60, which is basically exactly what he inherited from Willard. A NCAA bubble-level program. Willard had better chances to make the NCAAs because he scheduled intelligently and the BE was a better league (so we had more quality win chances), but the level of basketball has basically been the same as the end of the Willard tenure, barring last year.

The question is whether Shaheen can elevate the program to that top 30 level (like Willard did) if he gets a player of Whitehead, Delgado, or Powell’s caliber. He might have that type of talent next year if Budd and Hines both return. We will see.

 

[shu67]

Anyway you cut it this season has been a resounding success! If they can notch a few more "W"s we should all be surprised at the stunning turnaround from last year! I am happy we did not lay an egg again. Yes, we have had some disappointments but overall, a big improvement and hope for next year if we can keep some key pieces and add some missing pieces.

 

[SHUSource]

Dissimilar environments but their competition faces the same dissimilar environments. You think Wright, Mack, Wojo, McDermott would have kept all their key players? No shot. The goal is to have your program ahead of your competition not ahead of the previous coach or coaches. That’s where these Willard Sha debates go off the rails. We’re a bad conference right now so you can’t just be middle of the pack.

I think it’s pretty well known that those universities are all better resourced and/or more willing than Seton Hall to provide a competitive payroll.

 

[NCAAsorBust]

I think it’s pretty well known that those universities are all better resourced and/or more willing than Seton Hall to provide a competitive payroll.

Yup and that was the case 10 years ago too. I’m guessing those teams were paying more back then too. It’s not like we were consistently top 5 in the conference recruiting wise but now this new system caused us to be bottom recruiting.

 

[SPK145]

Anyway you cut it this season has been a resounding success! If they can notch a few more "W"s we should all be surprised at the stunning turnaround from last year! I am happy we did not lay an egg again. Yes, we have had some disappointments but overall, a big improvement and hope for next year if we can keep some key pieces and add some missing pieces.

This. Perspective.

 

[mbraue]

Yes they have to make shots. Shaheen can’t do that for them. Our best didn’t do that Wednesday.

Bigger picture though, this is now the second straight season, with more than 3x the budget, and entirely new roster that we are at the bottom of the country in shooting. Something is off either in structure of running an offense and/or how we evaluate players on that end.

We know he doesn’t run a style that values the 3 at all. Look at his track record. So you’re looking at a structure of offense that has to create lanes with guys who can play off the dribble and be strong at the rim. What Richmond/Davis/Bediako did. That looks MUCH better this year than last year when we had nobody doing that. We have much better players, but we can’t convert again.

We have some players, why I think he needs to mix up the player combos.

Hallelujah! Read this carefully from above poster:

This is now the second straight season, with more than 3x the budget, and entirely new roster that we are at the bottom of the country in shooting. Something is off either in structure of running an offense and/or how we evaluate players on that end.

 

[Piratz]

Hallelujah! Read this carefully from above poster:

This is now the second straight season, with more than 3x the budget, and entirely new roster that we are at the bottom of the country in shooting. Something is off either in structure of running an offense and/or how we evaluate players on that end.

Well Sha does say they shoot relentlessly and focus on it. Uhh, maybe we have the wrong instructors or keep getting the wrong players every year.

 

[shu09]

I think it’s pretty well known that those universities are all better resourced and/or more willing than Seton Hall to provide a competitive payroll.

I am so sick of hearing this. Just an excuse at this point. Then why are we in the same conference as all of them? May as well drop out and stop pretending we're a major program. Can't have it both ways.

 

[NYC Pirate]

Well Sha does say they shoot relentlessly and focus on it. Uhh, maybe we have the wrong instructors or keep getting the wrong players every year.

An issue I have is that Sha talks about how things go in practice. Two examples last night were AJ having to call the TO on first attempt to inbound ball. Then the second attempt he sort of lost his composure and stepped on the line. Example two would be when Parker went to the line. I was pleasantly surprised he made the first. No way you can duplicate the atmosphere and pressure both players faced in a practice setting. Impossible.

 

[shu67]

How about there are at least 6 very experienced and well regarded head coaches in the BE with excellent credentials and track records that would love to trade places in the standing with SHU. Sha did more this season with less of everything than they did! And some of you spread hate for him?

 

[NCAAsorBust]

How about there are at least 6 very experienced and well regarded head coaches in the BE with excellent credentials and track records that would love to trade places in the standing with SHU. Sha did more this season with less of everything than they did! And some of you spread hate for him?

Over the course of the next 7 games they just might trade places. We are sadly only 2 games out of last but only 1 out of 4th. It could go either way. But right now we look terrible in the half court on both ends.

 

[shu67]

True but I would rather be us than Gtown, Prov, X, But, Dep, Marq, and there are some great well respected coaches in that bunch. what do you think their fans are saying? Even the Blue Jays have a worse record than us! So include the very well respect coach Mc Dermott.

 

[mbraue]

I am so sick of hearing this. Just an excuse at this point. Then why are we in the same conference as all of them? May as well drop out and stop pretending we're a major program. Can't have it both ways.

We have $6 million or so, apparently about $2.5 million short of Nova and of course $4 or $5 million shy of Johnnie's. Im sure UConn in vicinity of Johnnie's.

I'm sure if we are in the middle, but if so doing better than most of the other middle of the pack BE NIL schools record-wise (so far) this year.

Sha is a good coach. He is stubborn and he must elevate the offense with better shooters or insist the school give a bump up in NIL to attract good shooters.

 

[shu09]

We have $6 million or so, apparently about $2.5 million short of Nova and of course $4 or $5 million shy of Johnnie's. Im sure UConn in vicinity of Johnnie's.

I'm sure if we are in the middle, but if so doing better than most of the other middle of the pack BE NIL schools record-wise (so far) this year.

Sha is a good coach. He is stubborn and he must elevate the offense with better shooters or insist the school give a bump up in NIL to attract good shooters.

Sha has never recruited a good shooter in his entire head coaching career. Why would he start now, even with more money thrown his way? He simply does not believe in playing that way. It's maddening, but it's the truth. Look at his coaching history and the associated statistics. The numbers do not lie.

 

[NIL BAD]

Were there even any local SH beat reporters at the post game press conference last night?