Scoring Output

[Left Coast Pirates]

Another 60 point effort.

I said on the recent episode you need to collectively get around 45 points nightly from Clark / ASM / Simpkins to be competitive.

Tonight they scored 33 and they lost by 12.
ASM and Simpkins were a combined 1-13 from 3. It’s not like the wrong guys were forcing up long distance bombs.

 

[Hall Is Life]

Plenty of good looks. Both ice cold. Unfortunate night for that to happen.

 

[Piratz]

After this game:

324th in EFG
324th in 3PT%
297th in 2PT%

This is on the season, 22 games. it’s awful. When your offense is reliant on offensive rebounds and turnovers created bc you can’t shoot or create good spacing, this is what you get.

And in both games Willard has his Nova team ready for our overly aggressive defense and had his team rebounding like men to neutralize our OR%. Best they rebound all year.

 

[VegasPJ1]

Shot a credible (for SH) 12% from the 3 tonight. ‍

 

[The Crows Nest]

After this game:

324th in EFG
324th in 3PT%
297th in 2PT%

This is on the season, 22 games. it’s awful. When your offense is reliant on offensive rebounds and turnovers created bc you can’t shoot or create good spacing, this is what you get.

And in both games Willard has his Nova team ready for our overly aggressive defense and had his team rebounding like men to neutralize our OR%. Best they rebound all year.

What is it Bill Parcells said; you are what your record says you are.
Those stats speak volumes

 

[jack 1970]

Another 60 point effort.

I said on the recent episode you need to collectively get around 45 points nightly from Clark / ASM / Simpkins to be competitive.

Tonight they scored 33 and they lost by 12.
ASM and Simpkins were a combined 1-13 from 3. It’s not like the wrong guys were forcing up long distance bombs.

Another 60 point effort.

I said on the recent episode you need to collectively get around 45 points nightly from Clark / ASM / Simpkins to be competitive.

Tonight they scored 33 and they lost by 12.
ASM and Simpkins were a combined 1-13 from 3. It’s not like the wrong guys were forcing up long distance bombs.

We can't shoot 3s. When is Sha going to tell them that and instead drive the ball to the basket?

 

[VegasPJ1]

Telling those players on a team that have proven that they can’t shoot 3s to stop is Coaching 101.

 

[VegasPJ1]

After this game:

324th in EFG
324th in 3PT%
297th in 2PT%
year.

At least these stats are consistent - consistently pathetic.

 

[Gohall129]

Rutgers has a more efficient offense than us. Incredibly sad

 

[mbraue]

After this game:

324th in EFG
324th in 3PT%
297th in 2PT%

This is on the season, 22 games. it’s awful. When your offense is reliant on offensive rebounds and turnovers created bc you can’t shoot or create good spacing, this is what you get.

And in both games Willard has his Nova team ready for our overly aggressive defense and had his team rebounding like men to neutralize our OR%. Best they rebound all year.

Believe me, this is more than guys can't shoot. This is poor execution, not getting guys the ball when they are open, and a rigid PG driven offense instead of a more free-flowing offense like Nova and most other teams have.

Mike Williams, one of our better outside shooters during the early season and who had an excellent game Vs. UConn, has MIA been since then. Sha thinks he is building confidence by starting him and yanking same player at 4 minutes into a half?

 

[NYC Pirate]

Believe me, this is more than guys can't shoot. This is poor execution, not getting guys the ball when they are open, and a rigid PG driven offense instead of a more free-flowing offense like Nova and most other teams have.

Mike Williams, one of our better outside shooters during the early season and who had an excellent game Vs. UConn, has MIA been since then. Sha thinks he is building confidence by starting him and yanking same player at 4 minutes into a half?

I mentioned many weeks ago when things were rosy that I thought Sha was screaming at Williams too much. Has that been a factor? Tough to say. In some of those early games Williams and several Hall players were swarming the opponents from the opening tip. The first few minutes against Rutgers were fantastic. That sets the tone. Now they seem concerned with establishing Payne and Fisher down low. The Depaul game produced 3 points in the first 9 minutes?? The players have lost the chip on the shoulder mentality. You have to play sports a little pissed off.

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

We can't shoot 3s. When is Sha going to tell them that and instead drive the ball to the basket?

We shot only 17.
We attempt 13.8 per game during conference play. Which is the lowest in the entire conference.

would you like the team to just not even attempt 3 point shots at all?

Keep blaming Sha because ASM / Simpkins missed wide open 3s all night long.

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

Telling those players on a team that have proven that they can’t shoot 3s to stop is Coaching 101.

They shot 17 3s (3 pt Fg % prior to tonight)

Simpkins: 1-6 (41.7%)
ASM: 0-7 (36.1%)
Parker: 0-1
Williams: 1-1
Clark: 0-1
Fisher: 0-1

based on their averages ASM / Simpkins should have hit 5 combined.

that’s an additional 12 points.

wonder if we would have been in the game if we had score 12 more points.

Once again Sha has no clue how to coach and should have told his two best 3 point shooters to stop shooting.

Maybe I misread the box score.
Was it ASM who was 0-7 or was it Josh Rivera?
Was it Simpkins who was as 1-6 or was that Trey Parker?

Keep blaming Sha…keep yelling at clouds.

meanwhile Malachi Palmer who was averaging 3.2 ppg, comes off their bench to score 15. Can almost guarantee that’s the plan Willard had before the game. Totally out coached Sha by telling Palmer to go off for his career high and only his 3rd double digit scoring effort in 2 years of college basketball.

Sometimes the other team has a good night and you have a bad night. It’s sucks because I hate Nova, but that has happened twice this year.

 

[johns79]

Maybe better ball movement can provide better 3 pointers. How about a back door cut, more screens? Got to do better than 2 for 17.
Villanova is well coached got good looks on their 3 pointers.

 

[Piratz]

They shot 17 3s (3 pt Fg % prior to tonight)

Simpkins: 1-6 (41.7%)
ASM: 0-7 (36.1%)
Parker: 0-1
Williams: 1-1
Clark: 0-1
Fisher: 0-1

based on their averages ASM / Simpkins should have hit 5 combined.

that’s an additional 12 points.

wonder if we would have been in the game if we had score 12 more points.

Once again Sha has no clue how to coach and should have told his two best 3 point shooters to stop shooting.

Maybe I misread the box score.
Was it ASM who was 0-7 or was it Josh Rivera?
Was it Simpkins who was as 1-6 or was that Trey Parker?

Keep blaming Sha…keep yelling at clouds.

meanwhile Malachi Palmer who was averaging 3.2 ppg, comes off their bench to score 15. Can almost guarantee that’s the plan Willard had before the game. Totally out coached Sha by telling Palmer to go off for his career high and only his 3rd double digit scoring effort in 2 years of college basketball.

Sometimes the other team has a good night and you have a bad night. It’s sucks because I hate Nova, but that has happened twice this year.

Is also not a coincidence that our worst 2 games of the season came against them. Sha’s teams have always struggled with offenses that are patient and move the ball with great spacing and 3PT shooting.

And on the other end I found it funny that Willard said in the postgame they were good with Clark making 2’s but wanted to clamp down on Simpkins and Staton-McCray when those two had open looks all game, lmaoo. But Nova had a great game clearing the boards on our misses, well above their season average. They hang out on the paint against us.

 

[NCAAsorBust]

They shot 17 3s (3 pt Fg % prior to tonight)

Simpkins: 1-6 (41.7%)
ASM: 0-7 (36.1%)
Parker: 0-1
Williams: 1-1
Clark: 0-1
Fisher: 0-1

based on their averages ASM / Simpkins should have hit 5 combined.

that’s an additional 12 points.

wonder if we would have been in the game if we had score 12 more points.

Once again Sha has no clue how to coach and should have told his two best 3 point shooters to stop shooting.

Maybe I misread the box score.
Was it ASM who was 0-7 or was it Josh Rivera?
Was it Simpkins who was as 1-6 or was that Trey Parker?

Keep blaming Sha…keep yelling at clouds.

meanwhile Malachi Palmer who was averaging 3.2 ppg, comes off their bench to score 15. Can almost guarantee that’s the plan Willard had before the game. Totally out coached Sha by telling Palmer to go off for his career high and only his 3rd double digit scoring effort in 2 years of college basketball.

Sometimes the other team has a good night and you have a bad night. It’s sucks because I hate Nova, but that has happened twice this year.

This team relying on 3s is not good.

When you score 25 or less consistently at the end of the first half I think that’s a bigger problem. Not mention when we don’t press because we want to avoid foul problems teams carve up our half court defense.

 

[HallGuy2323]

We can't shoot 3s. When is Sha going to tell them that and instead drive the ball to the basket?

Budd Clark isn’t capable of driving to the hoop and finishing. He’s done it maybe 2-3 times in Big East play.

 

[HallGuy2323]

Believe me, this is more than guys can't shoot. This is poor execution, not getting guys the ball when they are open, and a rigid PG driven offense instead of a more free-flowing offense like Nova and most other teams have.

Mike Williams, one of our better outside shooters during the early season and who had an excellent game Vs. UConn, has MIA been since then. Sha thinks he is building confidence by starting him and yanking same player at 4 minutes into a half?

They’re getting plenty of open looks. The execution is fine. We run just as many offensive sets as any other team and more times than not it is effective. They just don’t finish.

 

[HallGuy2323]

Maybe better ball movement can provide better 3 pointers. How about a back door cut, more screens? Got to do better than 2 for 17.
Villanova is well coached got good looks on their 3 pointers.

They do all those things.

 

[PhishingPirate088]

They shot 17 3s (3 pt Fg % prior to tonight)

Simpkins: 1-6 (41.7%)
ASM: 0-7 (36.1%)
Parker: 0-1
Williams: 1-1
Clark: 0-1
Fisher: 0-1

based on their averages ASM / Simpkins should have hit 5 combined.

that’s an additional 12 points.

wonder if we would have been in the game if we had score 12 more points.

Once again Sha has no clue how to coach and should have told his two best 3 point shooters to stop shooting.

Maybe I misread the box score.
Was it ASM who was 0-7 or was it Josh Rivera?
Was it Simpkins who was as 1-6 or was that Trey Parker?

Keep blaming Sha…keep yelling at clouds.

meanwhile Malachi Palmer who was averaging 3.2 ppg, comes off their bench to score 15. Can almost guarantee that’s the plan Willard had before the game. Totally out coached Sha by telling Palmer to go off for his career high and only his 3rd double digit scoring effort in 2 years of college basketball.

Sometimes the other team has a good night and you have a bad night. It’s sucks because I hate Nova, but that has happened twice this year.

You must work for the NYY front office. I don’t even really disagree fully with your point but why take season averages and than use it to take Sha off the hook and take a shot at KW

Why not look at our last game vs Nova? Percentages of the players you referenced are pretty similar…so why would we assume they make 5 more?

Also, saying why blame sha for his players playing terribly but also saying KW should get no credit for his player playing great is insane..can’t have it both ways

Again I don’t even disagree with you overall but sometimes you just go too much trying to get Sha off the hook

 

[shu67]

We can't shoot 3s. When is Sha going to tell them that and instead drive the ball to the basket?

That is not going to work either as we can't make 2 pointers either! Blown layups, blown dunks, missed jump shots or fumbling the ball.

 

[donnie-baseball]

Believe me, this is more than guys can't shoot. This is poor execution, not getting guys the ball when they are open, and a rigid PG driven offense instead of a more free-flowing offense like Nova and most other teams have.

Mike Williams, one of our better outside shooters during the early season and who had an excellent game Vs. UConn, has MIA been since then. Sha thinks he is building confidence by starting him and yanking same player at 4 minutes into a half?

Both Simpkins and AJSM had several wide open looks last night that missed. Even Clark and Parker took some when given all the space in the world. Nova can have a "free flowing" offense because they have 3-4 guys who can hit threes at a better than 33% clip. I thought they had an off-night last night, what did they make 9/30? And Bob Ross (Askew) was sufficiently harrassed into an off night.

We get the looks, and until we start hitting 5-6 of them (which would have made for a competitive game last night) on a regular basis, teams are going to give them to us, and force Clark to do it all himself.

 

[donnie-baseball]

Maybe better ball movement can provide better 3 pointers. How about a back door cut, more screens? Got to do better than 2 for 17.
Villanova is well coached got good looks on their 3 pointers.

We had better looks, and took a lot less of them. Several Nova 3's went in with a hand in the face.

 

[donnie-baseball]

Is also not a coincidence that our worst 2 games of the season came against them. Sha’s teams have always struggled with offenses that are patient and move the ball with great spacing and 3PT shooting.

Willard's SHU teams struggled with the same thing, thus the record against Creighton and Jay Wright's Nova teams.

 

[donnie-baseball]

Budd Clark isn’t capable of driving to the hoop and finishing. He’s done it maybe 2-3 times in Big East play.

You have no credibility left after that comment.

 

[SHUSource]

And Bob Ross (Askew) was sufficiently harrassed into an off night.

 

[Halldan]

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

You must work for the NYY front office. I don’t even really disagree fully with your point but why take season averages and than use it to take Sha off the hook and take a shot at KW

Why not look at our last game vs Nova? Percentages of the players you referenced are pretty similar…so why would we assume they make 5 more?

Also, saying why blame sha for his players playing terribly but also saying KW should get no credit for his player playing great is insane..can’t have it both ways

Again I don’t even disagree with you overall but sometimes you just go too much trying to get Sha off the hook

Talk about not getting the sarcasm.

My point was not to defend Sha or take credit away from Willard.

Our two best 3 point shooters missed wide open 3’s, one of their players had an outlier game. s**t happens. We lost. Have to move on.

meanwhile you have people posting the wrong guys shot 3s, we are too reliant on the 3, and Sha has them shooting too many 3s. I am not making that up, the posts are in all in the thread.

those comments are just factually incorrect.

 

[PhishingPirate088]

Talk about not getting the sarcasm.

My point was not to defend Sha or take credit away from Willard.

Our two best 3 point shooters missed wide open 3’s, one of their players had an outlier game. s**t happens. We lost. Have to move on.

meanwhile you have people posting the wrong guys shot 3s, we are too reliant on the 3, and Sha has them shooting too many 3s. I am not making that up, the posts are in all in the thread.

those comments are just factually incorrect.

Yea I didn’t get the sarcasm at all..I think that is some serious revisionism but that’s fine

Still doesn’t explain the make 5 more comment? What in our history vs Nova says they should make 5 more?

 

[donnie-baseball]

Still doesn’t explain the make 5 more comment? What in our history vs Nova says they should make 5 more?

Nothing, but if we get shooting like we did in the 2nd half of the second half of the Xavier game, we're having a different conversation. Obviously, that was an aberration.

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

Yea I didn’t get the sarcasm at all..I think that is some serious revisionism but that’s fine

Still doesn’t explain the make 5 more comment? What in our history vs Nova says they should make 5 more?

Are you serious?!?!?

What in our history vs Nova?

Two guys (ASM / Simpkins) whose averages for this specific season indicate that on that volume of attempts should have made 5 total. 4 more than they made or 12 more points.

are you really naive to believe that name across the front of the other team’s jersey prevents a player from making a wide open 3?

Wow. Just wow.

Not sure if you listen to our podcast or not. But you are the perfect example of what I was describing. Fans get so emotional and frustrated over losing. For the record WE ALL DO, because WE ARE DIE HARDS. But some more than others lose their objectivity and just want to place blame.

like it or not ASM and Simpkins are among the best players we have. They missed shots last night (wide open) the other team did not (and many of those were closely guarded).

That’s the analysis from last night. It’s not much deeper than that to be honest.

 

[NYC Pirate]

Lots of moving parts this morning. Your podcast is generally fair and balanced. I'm with you that Sha can't make the shots for guys like AJ or Simpkins. They had mainly good looks and came up empty in an important game.

So, I get your mentality that Seton Hall was actually playing an important game this late in the season. Hard to believe after that disaster from the prior year. Maybe you are correct that many of us should be more appreciative of the job Sha has done to have The Hall in 4th place, within striking distance of The Bubble.

Personally, I am somewhat happy with the job Sha has done when looking at every aspect of his tenure. I would not say extremely satisfied if this were a survey. We can say that he is an above average coach from a Defense standpoint. The data with the NIL or without it, Power Conference or Non Power Conference says his teams are Very bad from an Offensive standpoint. So, that produces mixed results, obviously there has been Success at times.

 

[Seton75]

Funny, no one complaints that our 2 centers were bad. Both guys had very bad games

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

Lots of moving parts this morning. Your podcast is generally fair and balanced. I'm with you that Sha can't make the shots for guys like AJ or Simpkins. They had mainly good looks and came up empty in an important game.

So, I get your mentality that Seton Hall was actually playing an important game this late in the season. Hard to believe after that disaster from the prior year. Maybe you are correct that many of us should be more appreciative of the job Sha has done to have The Hall in 4th place, within striking distance of The Bubble.

Personally, I am somewhat happy with the job Sha has done when looking at every aspect of his tenure. I would not say extremely satisfied if this were a survey. We can say that he is an above average coach from a Defense standpoint. The data with the NIL or without it, Power Conference or Non Power Conference says his teams are Very bad from an Offensive standpoint. So, that produces mixed results, obviously there has been Success at times.

Appreciate the post. Agree with all the points you made.

We on our show have never stated that Sha is a great coach. We do feel that he is a good fit for Seton Hall because he isn’t using the job as a jumping point for something else.

He absolutely has his flaws and deserves criticism for specific aspects of on and off the court actions. I just don’t believe last night was one of them.

 

[radecicco]

Maybe better ball movement can provide better 3 pointers. How about a back door cut, more screens? Got to do better than 2 for 17.
Villanova is well coached got good looks on their 3 pointers.

I thought Willard couldn’t coach.

 

[donnie-baseball]

Funny, no one complaints that our 2 centers were bad. Both guys had very bad games

True. The few times that we did feed Hines, he looked like a freshman against Brennan -- and he's no Mutumbo.

 

[donnie-baseball]

I thought Willard couldn’t coach.

Having good players/shooters can make most look good.

 

[Hall Is Life]

True. The few times that we did feed Hines, he looked like a freshman against Brennan -- and he's no Mutumbo.

You didn't like the lefty missile-hook that missed everything but the backboard?

 

[PhishingPirate088]

Are you serious?!?!?

What in our history vs Nova?

Two guys (ASM / Simpkins) whose averages for this specific season indicate that on that volume of attempts should have made 5 total. 4 more than they made or 12 more points.

are you really naive to believe that name across the front of the other team’s jersey prevents a player from making a wide open 3?

Wow. Just wow.

Not sure if you listen to our podcast or not. But you are the perfect example of what I was describing. Fans get so emotional and frustrated over losing. For the record WE ALL DO, because WE ARE DIE HARDS. But some more than others lose their objectivity and just want to place blame.

like it or not ASM and Simpkins are among the best players we have. They missed shots last night (wide open) the other team did not (and many of those were closely guarded).

That’s the analysis from last night. It’s not much deeper than that to be honest.

Why are all your posts so long? It’s obnoxious

I have never listened to your podcast

I’m not upset about last night..I’m not shas biggest fan but think he’s doing about the best he can with this group

His problems are more securing players

I was referencing our LAST GAME vs nova in December when those same players essentially SHOT the same..so why would we use a season average and say they would make 5 more?

 

[Gohall129]

We should be Blaming Sha for the lack of development we’ve seen from Hines over the course of the season