Senate Arms Committee to investigate Hegseth’s illegal order

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The article and the title don't really match to me. They haven't confirmed he specifically authorized the second strike. They have left the door open for that to fall on Admiral Bradley.
to me the question falls to - was the vessel still floating, not destroyed with some cargo intact? From the NYT articles it seems so as the reporter highlights that the survivors contacted some of their colleagues, and that might intimate that a second strike was warranted. Again from the Times article, it does not appear as if Hegseth ordered a second strike with directions to kill everyone.

But as with media today, likely neither article is 100% right. The true answer likely falls somewhere in the middle, and you can never discount the "fog" normally attached to armed conflict
 

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to me the question falls to - was the vessel still floating, not destroyed with some cargo intact? From the NYT articles it seems so as the reporter highlights that the survivors contacted some of their colleagues, and that might intimate that a second strike was warranted. Again from the Times article, it does not appear as if Hegseth ordered a second strike with directions to kill everyone.

But as with media today, likely neither article is 100% right. The true answer likely falls somewhere in the middle, and you can never discount the "fog" normally attached to armed conflict
Yeah, I won't pretend to have any specific details.
 
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The article and the title don't really match to me. They haven't confirmed he specifically authorized the second strike. They have left the door open for that to fall on Admiral Bradley.
I think they were trying to split the difference by saying Hegseth authorized it (Karoline Leavitt confirmed) but Bradley ordered it.
 

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I think they were trying to split the difference by saying Hegseth authorized it (Karoline Leavitt confirmed) but Bradley ordered it.
Right, still feels misleading to me. Not like some articles, etc, but had opened it expecting something I hadn't heard. Not the worst article to title i've seen thats for sure lol, was just expecting more information based on the title.
 

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LOL.. you are talking about dating your daughter if she wasn't your daughter.

That's a STUPID question that doesn't deserve the dignity of an answer.

Just more TDS nonsense from the unhinged.
It’s based off a quote from king pedo
 

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It’s based off a quote from king pedo

I know what it is from and only an idiot would attribute it to LUSTING after his daughter.....

That said, I know you thrive on literally anything to confirm your bias. I find it amusing. Please continue. Three more years will go fast.
 
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I know what it is from and only an idiot would attribute it to LUSTING after his daughter.....

That said, I know you thrive on literally anything to confirm your bias. I find it amusing. Please continue. Three more years will go fast.
Maybe someone needs to wake up to what he has said over the years but hey I’m sure carrying water for a despot gets heavy, but you do you.
 

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Maybe someone needs to wake up to what he has said over the years but hey I’m sure carrying water for a despot gets heavy, but you do you.

The only water I carry is to the table to watch wingnuts like you lose their **** daily over every word Trump says, or another Ron Filipkowski tweet....

TDS is the greatest show on Earth.
 

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I know what it is from and only an idiot would attribute it to LUSTING after his daughter.....

That said, I know you thrive on literally anything to confirm your bias. I find it amusing. Please continue. Three more years will go fast.

Why won't you answer the question then? Would you ever say to your daughter that you would date her, if you weren't related? If not, why not?

Everyone and their mama knows why you won't answer the question ... why you keep avoiding it ... because it's CREEPY as PHUCK to say that ... because it's evidence of sexual attraction to your daughter ... "lusting" ... it's sick. But you also don't want to incriminate your Fuhrer. You're just here to troll and take your frustrations out on others and pretend it's because you're happy.
 

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Why won't you answer the question then? Would you ever say to your daughter that you would date her, if you weren't related? If not, why not?

Everyone and their mama knows why you won't answer the question ... why you keep avoiding it ... because it's CREEPY as PHUCK to say that ... because it's evidence of sexual attraction to your daughter ... "lusting" ... it's sick. But you also don't want to incriminate your Fuhrer. You're just here to troll and take your frustrations out on others and pretend it's because you're happy.

LOL.... Like I said, only an idiot would interpret this comment as LUSTFUL toward his daughter. That's how mentally deranged you are because of the emotion of hate.

Wow. You guys blow my mind.

YOUR FUHRER!!!!! lol...
 
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LOL.... Like I said, only an idiot would interpret this comment as LUSTFUL toward his daughter. That's how mentally deranged you are because of the emotion of hate.

Wow. You guys blow my mind.

YOUR FUHRER!!!!! lol...

You know how creepy ... and lustful ... saying to your daughter "if you weren't my daughter, we'd probably be dating" would be. YOU interpret this comment as lustful to your own daughter. That's why you won't answer the question.
 

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You know how creepy ... and lustful ... saying to your daughter "if you weren't my daughter, we'd probably be dating" would be. YOU interpret this comment as lustful to your own daughter. That's why you won't answer the question.

Only a fool would ascribe intent as being lustful.... So next time just admit to it.
 

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Only a fool would ascribe intent as being lustful.... So next time just admit to it.
If you actually believed that, you would answer the question ... and you would answer it in the affirmative.

Would you ever say to your daughter "if you weren't my daughter, we'd probably be dating"?

While you're at it ... answer this ... what's the difference between going somewhere with a friend (of either sex), and "dating" someone?

I know why you won't answer these questions. You know why you won't answer these questions. But, you're a troll, so you'll just avoid, avoid, avoid.

If you actually believed the intent wasn't lustful, you could answer this without hesitation, and it wouldn't bother you ... instead, you avoid it, and pretend like someone else is the problem.
 

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The only water I carry is to the table to watch wingnuts like you lose their **** daily over every word Trump says, or another Ron Filipkowski tweet....

TDS is the greatest show on Earth.
There’s only one person getting spun out and that appears to be you, lol.
 
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If you actually believed that, you would answer the question ... and you would answer it in the affirmative.

Would you ever say to your daughter "if you weren't my daughter, we'd probably be dating"?

While you're at it ... answer this ... what's the difference between going somewhere with a friend (of either sex), and "dating" someone?

I know why you won't answer these questions. You know why you won't answer these questions. But, you're a troll, so you'll just avoid, avoid, avoid.

If you actually believed the intent wasn't lustful, you could answer this without hesitation, and it wouldn't bother you ... instead, you avoid it, and pretend like someone else is the problem.

I believe it. Absolutely. Remember, I'm the normal one here.

Now go on blathering like an idiot that Trump lusts after his daughter.
 
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I believe it. Absolutely. Remember, I'm the normal one here.

Now go on blathering like an idiot that Trump lusts after his daughter.

If you have to try to tell people you're the normal one, you're not.

Just answer the question. It's a simple question. It's a straightforward question. It's a question that 99.9% of fathers with daughters can and would answer in a second, without hesitation or equivocation.

"Would you ever say to your daughter 'If you weren't my daughter, we'd probably be dating?'"

Their answer would be a resounding "No! I would never say that!"

And if you followed up with "Why?"

They would say "Because that's sick." and if they expounded, it'd be some form of talking about how it's sexual, lustful, etc.


You, on the other hand, won't provide your answer because you're a troll, and given your trolling, you know you have 2 choices which are incompatible with your trolling activity: 1. admit your answer is no, admit it's because it's sexual in nature and that's not acceptable, and then you make your Fuhrer look bad; 2. admit your answer is yes, and now you're a mentally unwell individual who wants to bang his daughter.

Instead, you stutter and stammer about "intent," even though that clearly doesn't help your situation. So, you have to pick 1 or 2 ... and if you don't, I'll pick it for you.
 
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If you have to try to tell people you're the normal one, you're not.

Just answer the question. It's a simple question. It's a straightforward question. It's a question that 99.9% of fathers with daughters can and would answer in a second, without hesitation or equivocation.

"Would you ever say to your daughter 'If you weren't my daughter, we'd probably be dating?'"

Their answer would be a resounding "No! I would never say that!"

And if you followed up with "Why?"

They would say "Because that's sick." and if they expounded, it'd be some form of talking about how it's sexual, lustful, etc.


You, on the other hand, won't provide your answer because you're a troll, and given your trolling, you know you have 2 choices which are incompatible with your trolling activity: 1. admit your answer is no, admit it's because it's sexual in nature and that's not acceptable, and then you make your Fuhrer look bad; 2. admit your answer is yes, and now you're a mentally unwell individual who wants to bang his daughter.

Instead, you stutter and stammer about "intent," even though that clearly doesn't help your situation. So, you have to pick 1 or 2 ... and if you don't, I'll pick it for you.

Your NPD is kicking in SimplyComplicated...... I can see it with every additional post. Just like before.

I'm the normal one. You're psychotic from Trump winning. So much so that you ascribe "LUSTFUL" for comments meant to convey his daughter is attractive. That's what TDS does. Twists you around in knots.
 
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If you actually believed that, you would answer the question ... and you would answer it in the affirmative.

Would you ever say to your daughter "if you weren't my daughter, we'd probably be dating"?

While you're at it ... answer this ... what's the difference between going somewhere with a friend (of either sex), and "dating" someone?

I know why you won't answer these questions. You know why you won't answer these questions. But, you're a troll, so you'll just avoid, avoid, avoid.

If you actually believed the intent wasn't lustful, you could answer this without hesitation, and it wouldn't bother you ... instead, you avoid it, and pretend like someone else is the problem.
I'll answer your question...I said that wanting to date someone wasn't the same as saying I want to Bang you. All I got in return was your belief that the only people you want to date are the ones you want to bang. Which, as I said multiple times, might be true for you but not for everybody. Just show me where your mind is.

I won't say your outlook on dating is a little "warped" because there might be others that think like you. But I'm pretty sure not everyone does.
 
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Guys, what is with the pedantry? Wanting to date someone naturally implies a physical/emotional attraction to them. What Trump said was, at best inappropriate, and at worst absolutely disgusting. Being that Trump is relatively well known as a Lothario, idk why we're nitpicking definitions. Do I think he wants to **** his daughter? No. I think he made a corny and inappropriate joke about how his daughter was as attractive as the models he "dates (read: sleeps around with).
 

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I'll answer your question...I said that wanting to date someone wasn't the same as saying I want to Bang you. All I got in return was your belief that the only people you want to date are the ones you want to bang. Which, as I said multiple times, might be true for you but not for everybody. Just show me where your mind is.

I won't say your outlook on dating is a little "warped" because there might be others that think like you. But I'm pretty sure not everyone does.

If you'll answer my question ... answer my question. Don't answer a different question that wasn't asked.

The question is: Would you ever say to your daughter "If we weren't related, perhaps I'd be dating you?"

Again, simple, straightforward question ... all the whackadoodles don't seem capable of answering it. All it requires is a "yes" or "no" answer. Yeah, there will be a follow up ... but we can't even get that question answered.

Your attempted distinction, to avoid answering the question, isn't relevant. I highlighted this prior when you started talking about taking dates to the movies, etc. You take your daughter to the movies, out to eat, to a theater, to a sporting event ... yes? Would you ever say, based on that, that you're "dating" your daughter? If not, why? What would cause you to say, about anyone, that you're dating them? I'm guessing you've gone out to dinner, a movie, etc. with friends, too, right? Why don't you say you're dating your friends?

You're trying to dispute some characterization, as if it makes you noble ... but it's just meaningless grandstanding, as to the actual topic. It doesn't matter ... at all ... if you define the purpose (or one of the purposes) of dating as "banging", developing romantic feelings, finding a life partner, etc. However you want to characterize to make you feel better and more respectful about the situation ... it's ultimately about coupling up in a romantic way ... hugging, kissing, petting, having sex, potentially procreating.

This is what separates "dating" from hanging out with people and enjoying activities with people ... there's an attempt to couple up in some fashion, in a romantic/sexual fashion. This is clear. This is obvious. Yet, you try to obfuscate it by picking on the terminology and pretending to be aghast at it. Meanwhile, your fearful leader is saying he's considered dating his own daughter, and you're like "that's cool. I'm not aghast at THAT ... but this guy said 'banging' BANGING?! Can you believe how disrespectful HE is?!"

NO ONE who isn't sick in the head would ever imply that they could have "romantic leanings" toward their daughter, if only they weren't related. And this is just one of his many sexual deviancies, abuses and mental illnesses.

And didn't you want to stop this exchange (that you started) because it was the dumbest exchange you'd been apart of? And now you're back?
 
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Dude. Iraq was wrong. Afghanistan wrong. But Venezuela? Come on, there are people on boats! Boats! And they have drugs! Sure, they're not close to the biggest problem in this country's drug epidemic ... but why would we tackle the actual larger problems when we can shoot at BOATS? Oil? Resources? Does Venezuela have those things? Why, I hadn't noticed. I was too busy looking at the boats. Do not question it! I said America first, goddammit, and we're focusing on America by focusing on regime change in Venezeula, duh! I said we won't get involved in armed conflicts abroad, and well ... ignore that I said that ... because BOATS!
 
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1) You dont have any sense, much less sense that's common.
2) It's only the boards dumbest posters that say stupid **** like this - for obvious reasons
3) You claim to be a good little Christian but you dont have a moral compass or care about right and wrong.
4) STFU
You are always wrong.
 
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You are always wrong.
You wouldn't know little magat because you've lost your way and no longer understand the difference between reality and alternative facts. All your beliefs come from the worst people this country has to offer hence your posts make you sound like a dumb, crazy person.
 

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If you'll answer my question ... answer my question. Don't answer a different question that wasn't asked.

The question is: Would you ever say to your daughter "If we weren't related, perhaps I'd be dating you?"

Again, simple, straightforward question ... all the whackadoodles don't seem capable of answering it. All it requires is a "yes" or "no" answer. Yeah, there will be a follow up ... but we can't even get that question answered.

Your attempted distinction, to avoid answering the question, isn't relevant. I highlighted this prior when you started talking about taking dates to the movies, etc. You take your daughter to the movies, out to eat, to a theater, to a sporting event ... yes? Would you ever say, based on that, that you're "dating" your daughter? If not, why? What would cause you to say, about anyone, that you're dating them? I'm guessing you've gone out to dinner, a movie, etc. with friends, too, right? Why don't you say you're dating your friends?

You're trying to dispute some characterization, as if it makes you noble ... but it's just meaningless grandstanding, as to the actual topic. It doesn't matter ... at all ... if you define the purpose (or one of the purposes) of dating as "banging", developing romantic feelings, finding a life partner, etc. However you want to characterize to make you feel better and more respectful about the situation ... it's ultimately about coupling up in a romantic way ... hugging, kissing, petting, having sex, potentially procreating.

This is what separates "dating" from hanging out with people and enjoying activities with people ... there's an attempt to couple up in some fashion, in a romantic/sexual fashion. This is clear. This is obvious. Yet, you try to obfuscate it by picking on the terminology and pretending to be aghast at it. Meanwhile, your fearful leader is saying he's considered dating his own daughter, and you're like "that's cool. I'm not aghast at THAT ... but this guy said 'banging' BANGING?! Can you believe how disrespectful HE is?!"

NO ONE who isn't sick in the head would ever imply that they could have "romantic leanings" toward their daughter, if only they weren't related. And this is just one of his many sexual deviancies, abuses and mental illnesses.

And didn't you want to stop this exchange (that you started) because it was the dumbest exchange you'd been apart of? And now you're back?
my answer is simple, I don't have a daughter. So I have no idea how I would feel. I could make you happy and just say, boy if I had a daughter I'd like to date her. But you know what, if I had a daughter, I might not like her.

And please, you don't know me. You really don't know my feelings or what I wanted when I was dating age. And that's Ok, I don't expect you to understand either my feelings or expectations. I dated my wife for 6 years been married now for 57, we had sex on our wedding night. I never looked at a date as an opportunity for "banging" and I can say with absolute 100% certainty when I asked for a date the first time I was not asking if we could have sex. I wanted to get to know her to see if we were compatible and wanted the same things out of life. I'm not suggesting for a minute that after I while having sex definitely crossed my mind. But back then we didn't have birth control pills and getting pregnant outside of marriage was frowned on. These were different times then today. I You might find this hard to believe but on TV shows with husband and wife characters, in the bedrooms were two single beds.

Now as I pointed out, circumstances have changed and the world is a lot more liberal now. And maybe when you say I want to date you, both you and she really understand what you're saying is I want to "bang" you. I accept that as well. To each his own. I don't judge. But from your posts, I can see that your idea of a date is different from what it was 60 years ago.

I don't understand why you can't accept that not everyone sees things the same way you do. Oh, and just as follow up, Trump is a little younger than me. He grew up at about the same time. Now I don't know what was in his mind when he made that statement, but it's not too far fetched that he viewed a date the same as I. And as we know now, that's different than how you view it.

Like I pointed out in one of my posts, I missed the entire sexual revolution...was married, had a child and was fighting in Vietnam. So I see things a little differently.
 
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my answer is simple, I don't have a daughter. So I have no idea how I would feel. I could make you happy and just say, boy if I had a daughter I'd like to date her. But you know what, if I had a daughter, I might not like her.

A niece? Your mother? A sister? Any female member of your family? Insert them for "daughter" ... just so you can stop sidestepping. I don't have a daughter, either. But I know damn well that I could NEVER claim that I'd be dating her, if only she wasn't my daughter ... if I had a daughter. If I had a daughter, and ever said that I'd date her (under any hypothetical circumstances), I'd end myself, because I'd know I was so sick in the head, that I wasn't fixable.

And please, you don't know me.

Completely irrelevant.

You really don't know my feelings or what I wanted when I was dating age. And that's Ok, I don't expect you to understand either my feelings or expectations. I dated my wife for 6 years been married now for 57, we had sex on our wedding night. I never looked at a date as an opportunity for "banging" and I can say with absolute 100% certainty when I asked for a date the first time I was not asking if we could have sex. I wanted to get to know her to see if we were compatible and wanted the same things out of life

I literally explained how this was completely irrelevant. It's NOT AT ALL about how respectful you were, or how slow you took it, or WHATEVER. "Dating to bang" v. "waiting until marriage" ... they're both the same thing in this scenario. You keep trying and trying and trying to push this, but it's completely irrelevant. I've explained this ... yet you keep bringing it up.

I made this entirely clear when I asked about going out with your friends. Or are you going to claim you also had no friends so you can't understand the illustration? You probably had friends. Friends you knew for awhile. Friends you went out to do things with over the years. Would you say you were "dating" them? No? Why not? What distinguished going out with your friends from dating someone (including the woman who would be your wife)? I asked this question ... you avoided it, too.

Now as I pointed out, circumstances have changed and the world is a little more liberal now. And maybe when you say I want to date you, you and she really understand what you're saying is I want to "bang" you. I accept that as well. To each his own. I don't judge.

I don't understand why you can't accept that not everyone sees things the same way you do.
Holy crap, dude. I've explained this so many times. So clearly. It's impossible to misunderstand at this point. You're completely hung up on this "banging" terminology when it's completely irrelevant to the topic. Substitute "making sweet, sweet love" for "banging" if you want ... and put ANY time frame to it you want ... no one EVER said the banging ... er, making sweet sweet love ... would be on the 1st date, or 500th date. Again, I've already covered this. So think of "making sweet, sweet love on our wedding night" instead of "banging" and what I've said still stands in its entirety. You're dating someone, because you are developing "romantic" feelings and looking to build an "intimate" relationship, at whatever pace you choose ... and you can respect the hell out of that person.

But you would NEVER think of doing that with a daughter ... and you would never think "well, if she weren't my daughter I would." Because that would mean you're diseased. Like Trump is. In so many ways.

It's crazy that you spent more time criticizing me for saying "banging" than you have Trump for all his sexual crimes and deviancies. That, itself, is effed up. The dude is scum. He acts just as slimy in business. And in all aspects of his life. It's him. When you support him, you support THAT.
 
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"As many expected the truth is finally coming out, they were just fishermen. The family of the Colombian man killed in the Sept. 15 U.S. military strike in the Caribbean Sea has now filed a formal complaint with the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, alleging the U.S. government illegally killed him. His relatives say Alejandro Carranza was on a routine fishing trip, and his wife told reporters he left home to fish and had no ties to drug trafficking."
 

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Kill all the drug runners.

Create a debilitating fear where noon will run drugs knowing chances are high they will die
It's hilarious that you actually think this. President Nixon declared war on drugs in 1970 and we have been killing drug dealers ever since. We've shot planes down, shot up boats, bombed cartel HQs, and put who knows how many people in jail or shot them down in the street. And none of that has worked. There's ALWAYS more people willing to risk it because the money is just too good. This isn't going to work either because it's just more of the same.
 

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Your NPD is kicking in SimplyComplicated...... I can see it with every additional post. Just like before.

I'm the normal one. You're psychotic from Trump winning. So much so that you ascribe "LUSTFUL" for comments meant to convey his daughter is attractive. That's what TDS does. Twists you around in knots.

You know how you say someone is attractive? "She's attractive."

You know how you indicate that you have sexual/romantic/lustful feelings for someone and might want to be in a relationship with them? "I'd date her."

See how easy it is to use the English language?

Instead, your TDS has you defending your Fuhrer at the risk of making you look like a sexual incestuous predator. "Uh, when he said what he said, he didn't intend to say what he said. He intended something different than what he said, even though every normal person would never say what he said. Heil Trump! LOL! I love this! This makes me so happy! TDS!"

You're so crazed that you've literally been repeating the same trolls for nearly a decade. And, apparently, even if we're supposed to believe your characterization of things, you get your jollies from watching people freak out. How absolutely sad and devoid of meaning and positivity must your life be if THAT is true? You're just staring into a void each day, hoping that someone else's pain and anguish will fill that emptiness? That's almost sadder than you thinking normalizing wanting to date your daughter will please your master.
 

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It's hilarious that you actually think this. President Nixon declared war on drugs in 1970 and we have been killing drug dealers ever since. We've shot planes down, shot up boats, bombed cartel HQs, and put who knows how many people in jail or shot them down in the street. And none of that has worked. There's ALWAYS more people willing to risk it because the money is just too good. This isn't going to work either because it's just more of the same.
Openly siding with/making excuses for drug runners is where our country is now for some, so disappointing and sad. However, President Trump is making huge strides and righting the ship.
 
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You know how you say someone is attractive? "She's attractive."

You know how you indicate that you have sexual/romantic/lustful feelings for someone and might want to be in a relationship with them? "I'd date her."

See how easy it is to use the English language?

Instead, your TDS has you defending your Fuhrer at the risk of making you look like a sexual incestuous predator. "Uh, when he said what he said, he didn't intend to say what he said. He intended something different than what he said, even though every normal person would never say what he said. Heil Trump! LOL! I love this! This makes me so happy! TDS!"

You're so crazed that you've literally been repeating the same trolls for nearly a decade. And, apparently, even if we're supposed to believe your characterization of things, you get your jollies from watching people freak out. How absolutely sad and devoid of meaning and positivity must your life be if THAT is true? You're just staring into a void each day, hoping that someone else's pain and anguish will fill that emptiness? That's almost sadder than you thinking normalizing wanting to date your daughter will please your master.

Lifting up payers for you.
 
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