Seton Hall Declines Postseason
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I don't blame the players. The tournament starting in April is dumb.
I wish we would have played in Crown. I just enjoy watching Seton Hall compete. I hate that players don't want to play. Most of them perform as hired guns for a year, have no loyalty toward Seton Hall the institution. Yet these hired guns have the power to decide that the institution will not participate. Most of them will be off to another school in short order. This is a system that stinks.
The two week wait is probably the biggest factor. It’s inviting all of the teams to either pass or mail it in.
The timing of the Crown doesn't work. Makes for an awkward situation for minimal gain for players and schools. If they would fix that, they could make it a mandatory stipulation of your Rev Share/NIL contract that you must play in post-season tournaments.
I'm fine with it. Gives Sha time to be totally focused and prepared on our top priorities - retaining our best players, lobbying the BORs for more funds and finding our targets in the portal.
I'm fine with it. Gives Sha time to be totally focused and prepared on our top priorities - retaining our best players, lobbying the BORs for more funds and finding our targets in the portal.
I believe that I remember Sha saying after we won the Nit in 2024, that even though it was a great run and a thrill to win, it hurt our recruiting by waiting 2 more weeks to recruit.
That shouldn’t be a problem of schools in this day and age unless you’re inexperienced or tunnel visioned. But may be why he added an arrival staff member too to compensate.
And the staff [head coach] doens't "care" either. Players get paid for the season, don't they? How can guys getting in excess of $100K "choose" not to play? I was a teacher. Could I have voted not to teach in June? Shaheen should not have put it to a vote. Decision should have been his: period.
My take and it's just an opinion. This team maximized their talent all year. Sha is a incredibly demanding coach and he demands 100% focus all the time. The players, including summer workouts, have been playing since around the late summer months. Combine that with their academics and the grind is brutal.
The school (admins) wanted to play and I have little doubt Holloway and the staff did too. But I believe the majority of the players were just worn out and combined with waiting 2+ weeks to play again voted to decline.
That said, and knowing I understand their reasons, I am still disappointed in their decision. If motivated, and that would have been a major question, I strongly believe they could have won the Crown. Now we'll never know.
The school (admins) wanted to play and I have little doubt Holloway and the staff did too. But I believe the majority of the players were just worn out and combined with waiting 2+ weeks to play again voted to decline.
That said, and knowing I understand their reasons, I am still disappointed in their decision. If motivated, and that would have been a major question, I strongly believe they could have won the Crown. Now we'll never know.
As a Seton Hall fan, I like watching my team play basketball. I’ve watched a lot less meaningful games than the Crown tournament. I’d watch a preseason game if I could.
If there’s some recruiting benefit to not playing, I guess that’s a silver lining. But, personally, I wanted to keep watching SHU games.
If there’s some recruiting benefit to not playing, I guess that’s a silver lining. But, personally, I wanted to keep watching SHU games.
I'm in the camp that accepts their decision but wish they kept playing.
If the players didn't want to play...they're not giving 100%...not good.
I want the coaches to get after it for next year. From that perspective I think it's great. But when you hear the players don't want to showcase their talents, what the heck is that about. You gotta love to compete. If you could say no, do you really love to compete?
It’s more like refusing to teach summer school. Which 95% of teachers don’t…
I LOLed. But, really, isn't this true of every statement put out by any institution, ever? That's why they're a waste of time.
(And I say this as someone who has written many of them!)
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It shouldn't have that kind of effect, but at least the way our staff does things, it probably does.
So I was looking forward to seeing them play in the Crown and think we could've won the thing, but this is a critical early offseason/portal season for a program at a bit of a crossroads in this environment, so I'm actually glad they'll be able to focus 100 percent on building next season's roster.
Not at all like teaching summer school. Players are getting paid a lot to play. And as a seasoned poster writes above "....[our] fans should just donate, donate, donate." If the coach and administration opt not to go, that's another thing. Should the team get a vote if they were the last squad in THE tournament and had to play Tuesday night?
I think you are really sitting on the fence. Karaban and Solo Ball are ground down and beaten up, too; also by an "incredibly demanding coach...."
And this is the first time all year I've seen academics considered an issue. That said, the tournament is dumb and no one cares about it, but our vote not to show up and compete reminds me of Roberto Duran's "No mas, no mas."
Considering your accurate description of our coach above, I'm very surprised he put it to vote.
This board insisted winning the NIT was not much of an accomplishment.
Message heard lol.
And tax payers pay a ton for you to teach. Why do you get to stop in June? Keep going!
In this era of transfer portal and NIL, do kids even need to go to class anymore? And i guess another question is what % of players graduate these days? How can you go to 4 schools in 4 years and graduate?
Holloway is an enigma. He comes off at times as a brutal disciplinarian. And he is. But he also has a softer side with his players off the court. When not striving in a competitive environment he leans over backwards to help his players.
His putting this to a vote is actually in tune with how he handles his program.
I have no doubt he badly wanted to play. But he did not want to force the issue after everything his players did throughout the season.
I applaud his handling this situation while I am disappointed in the players ultimate choice.
Excellent point. And Seton Hall donors and sponsors, are the "tax players." Why stop in March. "Keep going!"
Would have felt differently ten years ago when players were only getting $50,000-$60,000 a year for room, board, tuition.
Well it is when in service cba agreement for labor comes to and end in their calendar cycle
I think under the present circumstances it is wise that we declined. Playing in a meaningless tournament while other schools are luring our players makes no sense. Shaheen needs to be 100% working on and focused on player retention and aquisition.
I'm disappointed they declined as I would have personally liked to see them continue playing, but I don't have a problem with them declining. I do, however, think it would have been better to decline quietly, without the formal public statement.
I don’t care. And I’d be bummed for next two weeks about not playing in the tournament. … But when we finally got there wouldn’t mind having some extra SHU basketball to watch.
The NIT seemed pretty dumb, too—but it was nevertheless hard not to get excited when we won it.
It is 100% the right way to handle it in modern times. Back in the mid-2000s forward when the NIT was still a thing but a much, much diminished version of its former itself, you would always see a few of the high major bubble teams accept the invite and get demolished, because that team didn't want to be there. They viewed themselves as a NCAA team, were on the bubble, and probably thought they should have been in the real dance. I always thought in those situations the HC should have had a better sense from his players if they were going to show or not.
Who cares if they are tired? None of them will be back on our team next years anyway. Now that College sports are a business, the players should be used as much as they use the school.
This doesn't surprise me at all. Tournament runs from 4/1 thru 4/5. That's too long to wait.
Beside, why give any additional schools out there a opportunity to scout our roster live & in person.
Sort of why many schools are cancelling their Spring football games.
Beside, why give any additional schools out there a opportunity to scout our roster live & in person.
Sort of why many schools are cancelling their Spring football games.
Only problem with your analogy is that the Crown is then the equivalent of a July summer enrichment class.