Shaheen Holloway

[Pirates Booty]

Given his success do you think there is a good chance he leaves after this season or do we think this is where he wants to be despite possibly a huge school paying him more than we can.

if I was the AD I’d give him a lifetime contract

 

[hallwins]

Given his success do you think there is a good chance he leaves after this season or do we think this is where he wants to be despite possibly a huge school paying him more than we can.

if I was the AD I’d give him a lifetime contract

Basketball is the most important asset of Seton Hall.

We can pay whatever is necessary to keep Sha and our roster.

The Administration did not create a 50 million building and the like to not compete.

Also, don’t think Sha is a grass is greener kind of guy as long as.he feels he can compete here at the highest level.

 

[IronKaz1]

hes not leaving his alma mater

 

[JTSHU]

Sha is the most loyal guy u will meet. He deserves more than hes making

 

[Seton75]

I tend to agree with those who think he is truly loyal and will stay as long as the college landscape gives him, and us, a chance.

 

[Piratz]

Who knows. At some point idk how people can always say no to the kind of money that some of these schools can through around in the P4. However, he has to do a lot more to get to that kind of offering. If all holds here the team is in line to receive its first NCAAT bid under Holloway and if that happens, any concern about how he could manage the NIL era and put a team together goes away IMO given how he did this after last year.

But hey, there are still 19 games to play before the BET. One of Willard's team started 15-2, 4-1 and blew it, so never know. Although I don't expect that from this coach and roster.

 

[HallGuy2323]

I’m sure we can and will pay him more. But there will always be a desperate school out there with truly bottomless pockets. Never say never

 

[halltheway]

Took the words out of my brain...
Never say never.. he bleeds blue and think he will be here for many years.
Maybe when he's thinking of retirement, he goes someplace with beautiful weather.

 

[sobo1]

I think it ultimately depends on the level of commitment the school is willing to put into the program. In a sense, it's career Russian Roulette to stay if the business model to give him 50% of the resources with 100% of the expectations for a high major program.

If you fail at Texas you can resurface Marquette, but if you fail at Seton Hall that's it. You're done. We aren't talking about a dime a dozen assistant job - this is generational wealth.

If this turns into a fairy tale season for Sha and Seton Hall, I don't know how you don't seriously consider other offers. Being a high major head coach is an extremely high-risk job. Everyone, regardless of school, is just a few bad seasons aways from being fired. At Seton Hall you're bringing a butter knife to a gun fight - it takes a lot of courage to turn down offers that give you a fair shot to succeed.

 

[VegasPJ1]

Lot of ifs left in this season. So far, one miraculous NCAA run with St.Peter’s + record with SH to date probably won’t even get him a sniff from the $$$ schools.

 

[sobo1]

Lot of ifs left in this season. So far, one miraculous NCAA run with St.Peter’s + record with SH to date probably won’t even get him a sniff from the $$$ schools.

Agreed, but people have parlayed less success into great P4 jobs.

 

[hallwins]

I think it ultimately depends on the level of commitment the school is willing to put into the program. In a sense, it's career Russian Roulette to stay if the business model to give him 50% of the resources with 100% of the expectations for a high major program.

If you fail at Texas you can resurface Marquette, but if you fail at Seton Hall that's it. You're done. We aren't talking about a dime a dozen assistant job - this is generational wealth.

If this turns into a fairy tale season for Sha and Seton Hall, I don't know how you don't seriously consider other offers. Being a high major head coach is an extremely high-risk job. Everyone, regardless of school, is just a few bad seasons aways from being fired. At Seton Hall you're bringing a butter knife to a gun fight - it takes a lot of courage to turn down offers that give you a fair shot to succeed.

Ask Amaker if leaving was the right call. He knows it was not.

Ask Cooley if things were better at PC

Ask Willard if MD ended up being all it was chalked up to be.

We are not in the MAAC or some low level league. He can compete every year.

 

[ivyhillpark63]

Ask Amaker if leaving was the right call. He knows it was not.

Ask Cooley if things were better at PC

Ask Willard if MD ended up being all it was chalked up to be.

We are not in the MAAC or some low level league. He can compete every year.

The voice of reason.! Let me add nice being able to bus to half your conference games..

 

[NittanyPirate]

Ridiculous

Posters were calling for his head for months during and after last season. Now he is pure gold and should write his own check.


You’re never as good as you think you are when you win and never as bad as you feel when you lose.

 

[HALL85]

Ridiculous

Posters were calling for his head for months during and after last season. Now he is pure gold and should write his own check.


You’re never as good as you think you are when you win and never as bad as you feel when you lose.

lol….lots with short memories

 

[MBF68]

Ask Amaker if leaving was the right call. He knows it was not.

Ask Cooley if things were better at PC

Ask Willard if MD ended up being all it was chalked up to be.

We are not in the MAAC or some low level league. He can compete every year.

Ask Amaker if leaving was the right call. He knows it was not.

Ask Cooley if things were better at PC

Ask Willard if MD ended up being all it was chalked up to be.

We are not in the MAAC or some low level league. He can compete every year.

 

[MBF68]

Ask Amaker if leaving was the right call. He knows it was not.

Ask Cooley if things were better at PC

Ask Willard if MD ended up being all it was chalked up to be.

We are not in the MAAC or some low level league. He can compete every year.

"....ended up being all it was chalked up to be."

Whether new jobs turned out to be ideal is different from the reality of making the move. Amaker to Michigan from Seton Hall in early 2000s? Willard to Maryland and Sweet 16 in year 3? Bet they'd do it again in a New York minute. Probably Cooley, too. And add PJ to that mix.

At 1-0 in the BE, some are getting ahead of themselves. If he has a very good season, I don't think he leaves...... this year.

 

[ivyhillpark63]

lol….lots with short memories

And lots here who didnt renew their tickets.
I dedicate the season to date to those who threw in the towel...

 

[hallwins]

"....ended up being all it was chalked up to be."

Whether new jobs turned out to be ideal is different from the reality of making the move. Amaker to Michigan from Seton Hall in early 2000s? Willard to Maryland and Sweet 16 in year 3? Bet they'd do it again in a New York minute. Probably Cooley, too. And add PJ to that mix.

At 1-0 in the BE, some are getting ahead of themselves. If he has a very good season, I don't think he leaves...... this year.

So it is too early to.discuss Sha staying but OK to speculate that if he wants to leave, we can't compete to keep.him?

Frankly, PJ and Willard stayed a long time. Pj left for the NBA, after turning down KY and plenty of others. Willard once he got it going here, did not leave at the first school that came.after him. He stayed for a.good run. The narrative that any coach that has success here we will lose as if we are Iona or Manhattan is false.

 

[sobo1]

Ask Amaker if leaving was the right call. He knows it was not.

Ask Cooley if things were better at PC

Ask Willard if MD ended up being all it was chalked up to be.

We are not in the MAAC or some low level league. He can compete every year.

I think you're missing my point.

 

[hallwins]

I think you're missing my point.

Perhaps. Not the first time I have missed someone's point. Just ask my family.

 

[Bluebeard]

All you need to compare is Gonzaga. Who remembers the head coaches' name who led them to the Elite Eight in 1998-9? Dan Monson leaves Gonzaga for the Big Ten after going 52-17 22-6 in conference at Gonzaga in two seasons. In eight seasons at Minnesota he made one NCAA and went 118-106 and 44-68 in conference. He then spends 18 season's at Long Beach state and gets 2 NCAA bids. He NEVER won another NCAA game after leaving Gonzaga.

How let's look at his replacement when he left Gonzaga, Mark Few. Few was an assistant from 1989 to 1999. He wasn't an alumna but his dedication to the school was obvious. I don't need to talk about his record, but do you think Monson made the right choice leaving, or if Few did remaining at the small school and not jumping to a P5 chasing $$.

 

[MBF68]

I think one has to look at the decision to jump at that time not twenty years later.

 

[cernjSHU]

Amaker certainly regretted his decision to leave Seton Hall. I was told this by Hobbs. However, the landscape has changed with NIL dramatically. Being untouchable at a smaller school like Providence and Seton Hall in my opinion was far better than going to a huge school especially if the money wasn’t ridiculous. But now there are other considerations with NIL. To have a recruitment bag of money to relieve you of the pressure of finding diamonds in the rough Is a big deal nowadays for coaches. Sha gets to a tournament with a bunch of under the radar kids is going to be very attractive for schools. I would expect big money to be thrown his way.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Amaker certainly regretted his decision to leave Seton Hall. I was told this by Hobbs. However, the landscape has changed with NIL dramatically. Being untouchable at a smaller school like Providence and Seton Hall in my opinion was far better than going to a huge school especially if the money wasn’t ridiculous. But now there are other considerations with NIL. To have a recruitment bag of money to relieve you of the pressure of finding diamonds in the rough Is a big deal nowadays for coaches. Sha gets to a tournament with a bunch of under the radar kids is going to be very attractive for schools. I would expect big money to be thrown his way.

Is Hobbs really someone to hang your hat on for a key citation?

I am sure Amaker only regret is that he did this in a time in which head coach valuation and compensation was not yet overwhelmingly inflated. You don't think K told him this is the move to do. Strike when the iron is hot. Michigan a top 3 public school at the time. He even did sub par out of the gate and the admin gave him an extension. He doubled his shu deal and got a hair under 1m to be cast aside. On 6 seasons he showed well he still could not run a program well or was really proficient at in game coaching. He did win an NIT in his third year when he has his best Big Ten.conf finish but then was a tough decline the rest of his tenure. But hey he got a soft landing at Harvard where for the most part outside of Jeremy Lin he has settled in mediocrity and has accomplished bids in down Ivy years and some NIT one and dones. I have no doubt he has no regret in his actions.

 

[Pirates94]

What did Willard get to leave? $4.5 million? I said he would never see the end of that contract and he didn’t. Won’t see end of this one either. What is Sha getting? $3 million? Say they up it to $3.5 per and guarantee 10 years? Why would anyone leave that for the pressure that comes at a power 5 school where basketball is secondary?

 

[hbkmyr]

I think one has to look at the decision to jump at that time not twenty years later.

Amaker certainly regretted his decision to leave Seton Hall. I was told this by Hobbs. However, the landscape has changed with NIL dramatically. Being untouchable at a smaller school like Providence and Seton Hall in my opinion was far better than going to a huge school especially if the money wasn’t ridiculous. But now there are other considerations with NIL. To have a recruitment bag of money to relieve you of the pressure of finding diamonds in the rough Is a big deal nowadays for coaches. Sha gets to a tournament with a bunch of under the radar kids is going to be very attractive for schools. I would expect big money to be thrown his way.

I do wonder if Holloway would have the want to deal with the strings that attached to that. He seems to be very protective of his program.

 

[hallwins]

I think one has to look at the decision to jump at that time not twenty years later.

The point is those that have made the move are coming back. Some because they got fired. Others, because they elected to do so.

Shaka
VCU to Texas to Marquette

Holtman
Butler to Ohio State to DePaul

Willard
Seton Hall to MD to Nova

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

Michigan a top 3 public school at the time.

Still is!

 

[MBF68]

Is Hobbs really someone to hang your hat on for a key citation?

I am sure Amaker only regret is that he did this in a time in which head coach valuation and compensation was not yet overwhelmingly inflated. You don't think K told him this is the move to do. Strike when the iron is hot. Michigan a top 3 public school at the time. He even did sub par out of the gate and the admin gave him an extension. He doubled his shu deal and got a hair under 1m to be cast aside. On 6 seasons he showed well he still could not run a program well or was really proficient at in game coaching. He did win an NIT in his third year when he has his best Big Ten.conf finish but then was a tough decline the rest of his tenure. But hey he got a soft landing at Harvard where for the most part outside of Jeremy Lin he has settled in mediocrity and has accomplished bids in down Ivy years and some NIT one and dones. I have no doubt he has no regret in his actions.

His regret is that he did not do better at Michigan.
And I'd bet PJ regrets he didn't go to Kentucky in 89. Why wouldn't he.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

The point is those that have made the move are coming back. Some because they got fired. Others, because they elected to do so.

Shaka
VCU to Texas to Marquette

Holtman
Butler to Ohio State to DePaul

Willard
Seton Hall to MD to Nova

Different circumstances for all 3.

Shaka recruited talent just didn't pan out late regular seasons or in ncaa tournament at Texas.

Holtman had a program that underachieved in the eyes of the power brokers and influencers of Ohio state athletics.

Willard had a business relations and admin disconnect. A year ago he could not even get a few extra days in nyc with his team for budget reasons. The AD who poached him left for SMU.

 

[Section112]

I think its funny every time we start to have success we get into these arguments on the board. All good discussion but we suck at success. We can't handle it. lol

 

[PhishingPirate088]

What did Willard get to leave? $4.5 million? I said he would never see the end of that contract and he didn’t. Won’t see end of this one either. What is Sha getting? $3 million? Say they up it to $3.5 per and guarantee 10 years? Why would anyone leave that for the pressure that comes at a power 5 school where basketball is secondary?

Wow revisionist post of the millennium. You would constantly post Willard wouldn’t get through his first contract because he would be FIRED. You made silly bets with several posters and than you disappeared when he had success

go away

 

[knowknow]

Sha better sign that lifetime contract tonight because if he loses to Nova all bets are off.

 

[SPK145]

Sha has done a phenomenal job this year after failing last year.

Does this mean he should get a raise after this year after after not getting a pay cut after last year?

I say he is more than fairly paid, actually over paid but all minor league coaches are.

But what do you do if someone comes after him after this season?

 

[hallwins]

Different circumstances for all 3.

Shaka recruited talent just didn't pan out late regular seasons or in ncaa tournament at Texas.

Holtman had a program that underachieved in the eyes of the power brokers and influencers of Ohio state athletics.

Willard had a business relations and admin disconnect. A year ago he could not even get a few extra days in nyc with his team for budget reasons. The AD who poached him left for SMU.

That is correct, he left for a football school and could not stay an extra night in NYC at the holidays. Ironic. He realized things in the football world are not what he dreamed they would be.

Cooley jumped to Georgetown. I think he would have been able to land a job at a football school for sure.

All I am saying is that not every coach is going to jump from a Big East school immediately when a football school comes calling for a variety of reasons, including many mentioned by all the posters on this thread.

We have a poor season, the sky is falling and we can never compete.

We have a good a season, we can't keep our coach or roster.

I understand the realities of Seton Hall's place in the market over the years, but I think it's place has improved immeasurably over those same years and certainly from last year when Pitino and everyone in the media were referencing our poor NIL situation nearly every game.

 

[HallX2]

Things are much better in terms of $$$ but don’t forget we have an administration that is adept as clutching defeat out of the hands of victory.

 

[HALL85]

Every year is going to be a crap shoot if we are talking about roster turnover of 8 to 10 players.

Is it as simple as Shaheen missed out on the vast majority of his targets last year because of budget and had to settle on a number of unseen scraps?
And this year he had enough money to land many if not most of his targets?

 

[ivyhillpark63]

IMHO shas style works perfectly with diamond in the roughs
Nott as much with prima donnas

 

[JoePeppitone2012]

We just built the program a brand new facility. Now that that is out of the way we should be able to keep our coach!