Asininity is never defensible and he only embarrasses himself time and time again.
The Next Two Years are Free
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From 2010-2020, Kansas was the worst team in Power 5 going 20-108. They got 6 wins and went to a bowl game in the current coaches 2nd season.
James Franklin took over Vanderbilt who was 31-76 from 2002-2010 and went 6-7 their first year, then 9 wins his next two years.
Speaking of Vanderbilt, Clark Lea is slowly but surely rebuilding that program, going 5-7 in his second season after taking over a program who went 27-55 after Franklin left.
Mike Locksley took over a Maryland program who went 38-61 from 2011-2018 and have taken them to two straight bowl wins in his third/fourth seasons.
And there’s Illinois where absolutely NO ONE GAVE A RATS ***… PERIOD from 2005-2020, going 26-97 with 6 coaches. Bret Bilema took over and promptly went 5-7, 8-5 his first two years there.
Lots of coaches who take over programs don’t need a 6-8 year rebuild and just have done more with less in the BCS and CFP eras. But it’s always SCHIANO NEEDS TIME, ONLY SCHIANO KNOWS HOW TO COACH AT RUTGERS, or whatever.
James Franklin took over Vanderbilt who was 31-76 from 2002-2010 and went 6-7 their first year, then 9 wins his next two years.
Speaking of Vanderbilt, Clark Lea is slowly but surely rebuilding that program, going 5-7 in his second season after taking over a program who went 27-55 after Franklin left.
Mike Locksley took over a Maryland program who went 38-61 from 2011-2018 and have taken them to two straight bowl wins in his third/fourth seasons.
And there’s Illinois where absolutely NO ONE GAVE A RATS ***… PERIOD from 2005-2020, going 26-97 with 6 coaches. Bret Bilema took over and promptly went 5-7, 8-5 his first two years there.
Lots of coaches who take over programs don’t need a 6-8 year rebuild and just have done more with less in the BCS and CFP eras. But it’s always SCHIANO NEEDS TIME, ONLY SCHIANO KNOWS HOW TO COACH AT RUTGERS, or whatever.
We used to have an inexperienced coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball. That is no longer the case.
How much experience did Augie have as OL Coach before he started at Rutgers?
How much experience did Tiquan have as WR Coach?
How much experience did Andrew Aurich have?
How much experience did Nunzio have?
How much experience did Gleeson have as OC, when it’s well known that Mike Gundy calls the plays?
Illinois spent millions of dollars on a state of the art football facility, so try again. We need a football Fieldhouse, so that we can have what Illinois already has and more effectively recruit.
Mike Locksley has benefited from a $300M state of the art football facility, which blows ours out of he water.
So there’s no other big ten program that has done much more with much less.
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Oh, you're talking about our prior coaches. Thought you were talking about our current staff.
So basically, you're building a case against Schiano. You're pointing out that he hired all the wrong people, which is one of the most critical aspects of the job for a head coach.
I thought you were pro-Schiano.
It's worse than this because we don't even have a functioning offense after 3 years, let alone a team that wins anything. A coach that can't turn the team around much is bad enough but he can't even score 2 TDs in literally half his games after 3 years, in an era of crazed offense
Schiano hired the prior coaches to do the BS recruiting work that more experienced coaches didn’t want to do. Now that we have baseline talent to at least be competitive, we’ve hired experienced coaches to take the team to the next level.
But what would we do with the phrase "et al"? It will get too confusing.
Paul Simon wrote a song about al, which is slightly adapted
A man on the Rutgers Football Board
He says, Why am I moving the goalposts?
Why am I moving the goalposts?
The others on the board are so hard
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I want a shot at redemption [ORIGINAL LYRICS! ]
Don't want to end up a cartoon [ORIGINAL LRYICS! ]
In a cartoon graveyard" [ORIGINAL LYRICS! ]
Bonedigger, Bonedigger [ORIGINAL LYRICS! ]
Dogs in the moonlight [ORIGINAL LYRICS! ]
Far away in my well-lit door [ORIGINAL LYRICS! ]
Mr. Beerbelly, Beerbelly [ORIGINAL LYRICS! ]
Get these mutts away from me [ORIGINAL LYRICS! ]
Fans don't find this stuff amusing anymore
If you'll buy my predictions [ORIGINAL LYRICS! ]
I can be your long lost pal [ORIGINAL LYRICS! ]
I can call you Betty [ORIGINAL LYRICS! ]
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Let’s remember this thread to see if the blind clown uses the same apologist excuses after another pathetic season, highlighted by a third straight win over Wagner.
comprehension obviously isn’t your strong suit. This thread acknowledges we might struggle this season and next because there isn’t enough talent.
What a great way to cover all bases, at least for 2 more years!
Then it is on Greg to get the talent here through the portal. I know what your answer is going to be, but save it. It's on Greg to rally the donors to donate to NIL. It's on Greg. All of it. Stop with the nonstop excuses. It's year 4. It's high time the team shows a pulse.
If we can get that field house built then yes. Otherwise it's a toss up at best.
Let’s just hope Hobbs isn’t as obtuse and gullible as Dumbo, already making excuses for the rest of the crippling 8 year Schiano shitshow.
Brutal in the sense that Wagner isn’t on the schedule yet. Schiano also filling a waiver to play only 6 game conference schedule those years. Al is circulating a petition for same.
Your logic is deeply flawed here.
There is no way Schiano would've decided to hire coaches only to recruit, in the early years, and not to win games. Winning games is, by far, the best way to improve and aid recruiting. With NIL now added to the mix.
Coaches have to recruit every single year, not just the first couple years. And recruiting is now much harder because all the "new head coach" excitement is gone and has been replaced with the "new head coach isn't winning enough and keep getting blown out" vibe. Making it all the more difficult to maintain what little recruiting momentum we gained during the honeymoon phase for a new head coach.
There's just zero sense to what you're trying to argue here. GS's best possible path to success was always, from day one, to win as many games as possible. There is no point in time at which any CFB coach is going to forgo doing everything possible to win games. Losing makes everything harder.
Nailed it, but of course you realize you’re wasting time trying to convince the imbecile.
Come on. Its simple.
1. HC Ash decimated the team and left it with no talent.
2. HC Schiano needed to rebuild the roster.
3. In Years 4 and 5, HC Schiano's recruits are still on the sideline - despite HC Ash leaving no talent.
4. Wait that doesn't make sense.
5. Why aren't HC Schiano's recruits playing? The whole reason for hiring only HC Schiano was only he could turn around recruiting. It's been 3 years of his recruits.
6. Back on track.....
7. It'll take HC Schiano 6 years to have a roster of talented players to produce minimal results.
8. Profits!
Once again, you are basically building a case against Schiano. Here's what you've stated earlier:
1. GS started out using inexperienced coaches because experienced coaches can't or won't recruit as well as inexperienced ones.
2. Now that we have some talent, GS fired the guys who got us the talent and hired experienced coaches who don't want to recruit.
And now you've added this:
3. The new experienced coaches still can't win because "there isn't enough talent".
So you're saying that GS sacrificed experience at winning in order to recruit but we neither won enough nor recruited enough to win now. So he hired experienced coaches who don't recruit meaning we not only don't have enough talent, we don't have anybody who wants to recruit enough talent to win.
You should plead with the mods to delete this thread, Al. You're digging yourself a logic hole from which you'll never be able to climb out.
You left out:
4. Until we build a field house we'll never have enough talent. Only the field house will attract recruits.
5. So what exactly is the point of hiring HC Schiano or any coaches. Get 11 minimum wage guys and put all money to the all important fieldhouse
There are no “crossover games” since there aren’t any divisions anymore. The schedule is harder than any schedule we’ve had before because it’s essentially a Big 10 east schedule with UCLA instead of Indiana.
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Whether you are a fan of Al's or not (I am), you can't help but be impressed with this post...
Right? Just zero logic to these arguments he's trying to make.
Thing is, I'm not anti-GS. I won't be bashing him right up until the point when he's doing better or fired. I see no point to bashing coaches that way. But I'm also not going to try to convert hope and wishful thinking into logical argument, the way Al's doing. That never works.
I always knew that, regardless of whomever we hired, it was going to be a long uphill battle to become competitive in the Big Ten. And that the most likely outcome would be failure to accomplish that goal. That was always as true for GS as it would be for anybody else.
IMO, it's still possible GS can succeed with the biggest thing going for him being the elimination of the East/West split and a therefore easier schedule (in some years, at least). It's possible, but increasingly unlikely.
So we wait and see. Little point or value in trying to predict the future.
I'm actually very unimpressed with it as it's bereft of logic or accuracy. Or do you mean impressed with some aspect of the post other than it's logic or accuracy?
So you’re giving Schiano a pass until 2025 season because he hired the wrong offensive coaches for his first three seasons? So you’re giving him two more seasons with the coaches who he wanted to hire in 2020 but couldn’t recruit?
That, too. PLUS, more money for Schiano because he's one of the lowest paid coaches in the Big Ten and the more you pay him the better he'll do, apparently. Now, give a donation to that field house already!
The logic is not deeply flawed. You lack the aptitude to pick up what I’m putting down. How much development did you see the first three years? I barely saw any on the offensive side of the ball. Why? The coaches we hired didn’t have the expertise to develop or coach up players. I can count on one hand the number of times a Rutgers WR won a 50/50 ball over the past three years.
Look at the resumes of the coaches we hired. They barely had any experience coaching at this level. So why did Schiano hire coaches that hardly had any experience? Because he tried hiring experienced coaches and they said no. There we’re a bunch of experienced name’s mentioned as possibilities. But none materialized. So he went with coaches that could recruit. Of course that wasn’t their only responsibility, but it was their primary responsibility. And consequently development suffered, which is why we have new coaches on the offensive side of the ball.
There is no logic hole. What you have is a comprehension hole.
We have much more talent than when we started, but may not have not have enough to win big ten games. A div 2 transfer is our best receiver, a Mac transfer is our #2 WR, and a Maine transfer might be our best tight end. That’s not a recipe for Big Ten success.
So we need more talent.
The experienced coaches are being counted on to recruit and develop, except in the case of the OL coach. Scott Vallone does the OL recruiting.
Imbecile- exactly. No talent. and he need only look in the mirror to see why he can’t get good coaches or players on offense. He has a well-deserved reputation for offensive futility.
It’s absurd you spin this fatal fact as a positive. It’s the very reason the program is moribund. He’s poisonous and everyone knows.
I can only imagine what hideous tape he shows recruits. He can’t even show three first downs from the same game and you wonder why no one comes here ?
It’s absurd you spin this fatal fact as a positive. It’s the very reason the program is moribund. He’s poisonous and everyone knows.
I can only imagine what hideous tape he shows recruits. He can’t even show three first downs from the same game and you wonder why no one comes here ?
Experienced coaches don’t want to go through a build because it’s a lot of work. Now we have coaches who will better develop the talent onhand.