The REAL "Fool's Gold"

PirateBlue08

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A defense that can't score. A number of us were sounding this before the season and early during the season and were shouted down as negative nancys. But historically it is a plain fact that Shaheen's teams do NOT run a good offense and always trail their conference and national peers in offensive categories.

The lack of three point shooting and lack of even valuing that skill is a major red flag for this coach's ability to succeed at high levels outside of catching lightning in a bottle once for a E8 run.

The over-fouling is maddening, especially when we ourselves can't convert at the other end and at the FT line. I personally don't think high fouling teams are good defensive teams. If you have to foul you aren't playing defense. If you foul often you aren't playing defense well. Period. You get your own players in foul trouble, limiting their playing time and their efficiency and effectiveness when they are on the court, and you grant the other team foul shots, the easiest points in the game. How is that "good defense"?

I am sick of watching Seton Hall teams run this stupid weave offense that does very little to generate consistent shot attempts, and doesn't even get us to the line recently. And when we do get to the line it doesn't matter because our players are offensively impaired and can't make free throws. It doesn't take much to be able to hit a free throw. This is embarrassing already. We don't play smart, we don't move the ball well, we don't pass well, we don't have an inside-out game despite having one of the most solid (strength wise) big men in the conference in Hines. We can't hit threes, we can't hit free throws, and our point guard can't hit threes or layups or create offense within Sha's silly weave schemes.

I understand not falling in low with the 3-ball like a Creighton style team but damn we don't even dump the ball inside to our bigs. There's NO REASON Hines especially shouldn't be a focal point of our offense for inside/out game, post-ups, and developing him as one of the most unique freshmen talents we've ever had. And he CAN PASS. We just waste him! I'd be AMAZED if he returned for ANY price. He's being wasted.

I'm tired of it. Watching this brand of basketball is just not fun. It's ugly and ineffective and not going to work at this level.

On top of that, our coach routinely acts like a child on national television and on interviews. He does not act professional, is overly emotional, petty and looks for confrontation with anyone and everyone for silly reasons, and doesn't represent the university in a respectable way. You can barely understand him when he talks, his body language is awful, and the national media has been covering for him for a long time but his nasty streak is going to run out. I've seen all I need to see. I'm ready to move on when his contract is up. I don't think hiring an offensive coordinator is the answer. He has too many inherent stubbornness flaws and won't change or adapt even when it's obvious his style is lacking. I'm over it.
 

NCAAsorBust

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On top of that, our coach routinely acts like a child on national television and on interviews. He does not act professional, is overly emotional, petty and looks for confrontation with anyone and everyone for silly reasons, and doesn't represent the university in a respectable way. You can barely understand him when he talks, his body language is awful, and the national media has been covering for him for a long time but his nasty streak is going to run out. I've seen all I need to see. I'm ready to move on when his contract is up. I don't think hiring an offensive coordinator is the answer. He has too many inherent stubbornness flaws and won't change or adapt even when it's obvious his style is lacking. I'm over it.
1. He always had a speech impediment. Never cool to use that against him.
2. He got a contract extension for winning the NIT. Why would we ever do that?
3. He already won double the games as last year, never count out SHU to use that as a reason to extend him longer.
 
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shu67

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I had this concern about 3 point shooting before the start of the season and posted my feelings. Was told these guys will be so much better than last years team.

To some extent they are based upon the record but the offense is much like last years team. The BE offense stats are pretty much as bad.
 
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PirateBlue08

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1. He always had a speech impediment. Never cool to use that against him.
2. He got a contract extension for winning the NIT. Why would we ever do that?
3. He already won double the games as last year, never count out SHU to use that as a reason to extend him longer.
1. I have no idea whether it's an actual medical impediment and I'm not sure you do either. I've never heard that said and it doesn't sound like an impediment. It just sounds unclear and unprofessional the way he carries himself.
2. We need to learn our lesson and move on. This isn't going anywhere. A coach must at least want to do well offensively, I'm not sure Sha even thinks about or practices offense (being slightly hyperbolic but only slightly).
3. I agree, imagine using win count of one of the worst out of conference schedules in the country as justification for an extension by comparing it to the previous year in which we had a historically awful year.
 

SHallguy2

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This team is out of synch right now, if we win 6 games in a row people will be saying in Sha we trust again. We had several guys shooting the ball very well earlier in the season. PJ was a defensive coach as well, granted he found guys who could shoot after running the program for 8 years. I remind everyone we were ready to move on from him as well after his first 4 years by year 6 we were in melt down mode. We need to exercise some patience, being a coach in this period of NIL time is just not easy. The team needs to sit down and watch some film of games earlier in the year when we were getting off to a quick start. It was only about four games ago that everyone was talking about how much fun this team was to watch. Hard to watch now but so were KW teams in January. The season is a marathon not a sprint. Coach needs to get everyone back on track, needs to shake up the lineup and get players to focus again. Our Coach is not going anywhere.
 

SPK145

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This team is out of synch right now, if we win 6 games in a row people will be saying in Sha we trust again. We had several guys shooting the ball very well earlier in the season. PJ was a defensive coach as well, granted he found guys who could shoot after running the program for 8 years. I remind everyone we were ready to move on from him as well after his first 4 years by year 6 we were in melt down mode. We need to exercise some patience, being a coach in this period of NIL time is just not easy. The team needs to sit down and watch some film of games earlier in the year when we were getting off to a quick start. It was only about four games ago that everyone was talking about how much fun this team was to watch. Hard to watch now but so were KW teams in January. The season is a marathon not a sprint. Coach needs to get everyone back on track, needs to shake up the lineup and get players to focus again. Our Coach is not going anywhere.
We made the second round of the NCAA's in PJ's 6th year.
 
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NIL BAD

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Apples to oranges. PJ & Willard inherited programs that weren’t close to competing in the Big East. Not the case with Holloway.
 

PirateBlue08

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It doesn't matter, we don't want Willard OR Holloway, we want a coach that is capable of coaching an effective OFFENSE, not the damn weave and hope to be fouled.
 

PirateBlue08

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This team is out of synch right now, if we win 6 games in a row people will be saying in Sha we trust again. We had several guys shooting the ball very well earlier in the season. PJ was a defensive coach as well, granted he found guys who could shoot after running the program for 8 years. I remind everyone we were ready to move on from him as well after his first 4 years by year 6 we were in melt down mode. We need to exercise some patience, being a coach in this period of NIL time is just not easy. The team needs to sit down and watch some film of games earlier in the year when we were getting off to a quick start. It was only about four games ago that everyone was talking about how much fun this team was to watch. Hard to watch now but so were KW teams in January. The season is a marathon not a sprint. Coach needs to get everyone back on track, needs to shake up the lineup and get players to focus again. Our Coach is not going anywhere.
Yea but if you look at the current situation a bit more zoomed out it's obvious that this lack of an offense is not just because this team is out of sync. Shaheen has NEVER had a good offense and I'm not sure he even views it as a fault. That right there is why this won't ever work unless the Duke starting lineup decides to transfer to Seton Hall.

A coach is supposed to install an offensive scheme to make it EASIER to generate consistent offensive opportunities. Ball movement, inside-outside, drive and kick, we don't do any of that. We do the weave and hope to get fouled on a circus shot or hope we can cause a turnover and a runout before getting called for fouling the ball handler. Just not a sustainable model. But that's what this coach knows and does.
 

NCAAsorBust

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It doesn't matter, we don't want Willard OR Holloway, we want a coach that is capable of coaching an effective OFFENSE, not the damn weave and hope to be fouled.
Sign me up for Tony Bennett. He might not coach offense to your liking but he was very successful coaching DEFENSE. There's many ways to win. I just want to watch Seton Hall win!!!!!
 

SHallguy2

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Yea but if you look at the current situation a bit more zoomed out it's obvious that this lack of an offense is not just because this team is out of sync. Shaheen has NEVER had a good offense and I'm not sure he even views it as a fault. That right there is why this won't ever work unless the Duke starting lineup decides to transfer to Seton Hall.

A coach is supposed to install an offensive scheme to make it EASIER to generate consistent offensive opportunities. Ball movement, inside-outside, drive and kick, we don't do any of that. We do the weave and hope to get fouled on a circus shot or hope we can cause a turnover and a runout before getting called for fouling the ball handler. Just not a sustainable model. But that's what this coach knows and does.
We were using the defense to create offense and honestly the ball movement before this slump wasn’t bad. Actually the ball movement was dare I say fun to watch. Teams adjusted to our play and we have not yet adjusted to counter. Is Sha perfect no, he needs to change the starting lineup and shake things up. I would make the team sit and watch several earlier games when they were playing well together. We have some guys who can shoot, again not great but good enough to win with great defense. Losing always causes teams to question the coach, minutes etc…Personally looks to me like they need to have a closed door meeting and get back on the same page. Not playing well together.
 

NYC Pirate

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Sign me up for Tony Bennett. He might not coach offense to your liking but he was very successful coaching DEFENSE. There's many ways to win. I just want to watch Seton Hall win!!!!!
Bennett is a very good coach, but I would not want to watch that style. Besides GTown in the 80's and Virginia its Very difficult to win that way. I agree we just want to win, but balance between defense and offense is a better path. Look at most of the schools that have won recently, except for Virginia, they have balance. I'll take Jay Wright's Nova or UConn for the past two decades as a model. I tend to agree with PirateBlue08's comments.
 
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mbraue

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Holloway inherited the NIL and no money. Nothing could be worse for most coaches right now in small market teams like SHU.
We apparently spent $6 million on this roster. The kids have talent and can shoot. Install a scheme that works or readjust!
 
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HallGuy2323

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We apparently spent $6 million on this roster. The kids have talent and can shoot. Install a scheme that works or readjust!
Install a scheme? Oh I forgot, all coaches nowadays have a “system” that’s never been thought of or done before. Just pull it out of their hat.
 
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ironlung75

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I don’t know basketball like Sha. But looking at this team for 30 years, it is always a struggle to get the ball in the hoop. It doesn’t seem to matter. Since Terry Dehere or Eddie Griffin even Myles Powell, we don’t have a pure shooter. Sha recruited his style of players with what he had. He missed two. Shooters who make shots. Danny and Geno, on the video the other day said you can teach defense, but you can’t teach someone who doesn’t shoot to shoot and hit. If anything comes out of this season that would be a positive, is that Sha learns that and maybe he needs an assistant coach who can work with real shooters.
 
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NIL BAD

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Powell barely shot 30% from 3 his senior year because most of his 3's were contested.

Sha needs an assistant who can explain to him how to design an offense that goes thru the low post if we can manage to keep Hines for another year.
 
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cernjSHU

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Powell barely shot 30% from 3 his senior year because most of his 3's were contested.

Sha needs an assistant who can explain to him how to design an offense that goes thru the low post if we can manage to keep Hines for another year.
I have to believe that the concussion affected his shooting. I remember after hsi concussion he HD a hard time hitting the three.

As far as this team goes, they have not shot well from distance their entire career. In the beginning of the year, they shot from distance very well. Now, it is averaging out And back to shooting what they have done their entire careers. Our players are missing wide open threes. They are not hitting free throws. Very difficult to win games when those two things happen.
 

SHUSource

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Apples to oranges. PJ & Willard inherited programs that weren’t close to competing in the Big East. Not the case with Holloway.
What? It's a fiction that seems to thrive here that Willard inherited a barren roster. In fact, he inherited a dysfunctional program, but his first team was rather talented, including a Parade All-American in Herb Pope, as well as Jeremy Hazell, Jordan Theodore, Jeff Robinson, and Fuquan Edwin. Was his challenge getting this bunch to play organized and as a team? Yes. It's the same one Holloway has every single year now, too, only with less-talented players.
 

ironlung75

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I don’t know basketball like Sha. But looking at this team for 30 years, it is always a struggle to get the ball in the hoop. It doesn’t seem to matter. Since Terry Dehere, Eddie George or even Myles Powell we haven’t had a pure shooter. It seems like we need not only a couple of shooters but a coach who can teach technique. I know Sha is stubborn and the ball goes in when they practice, but the games are a much different situation. Both Danny and Geno, interviewed the other day said that teaching defense is hard, but you can’t really teach a shooter to shoot.
 
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I don’t know basketball like Sha. But looking at this team for 30 years, it is always a struggle to get the ball in the hoop. It doesn’t seem to matter. Since Terry Dehere, Eddie George or even Myles Powell we haven’t had a pure shooter. It seems like we need not only a couple of shooters but a coach who can teach technique. I know Sha is stubborn and the ball goes in when they practice, but the games are a much different situation. Both Danny and Geno, interviewed the other day said that teaching defense is hard, but you can’t really teach a shooter to shoot.
That is why we need to recruit a shooter .
 

PhishingPirate088

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What? It's a fiction that seems to thrive here that Willard inherited a barren roster. In fact, he inherited a dysfunctional program, but his first team was rather talented, including a Parade All-American in Herb Pope, as well as Jeremy Hazell, Jordan Theodore, Jeff Robinson, and Fuquan Edwin. Was his challenge getting this bunch to play organized and as a team? Yes. It's the same one Holloway has every single year now, too, only with less-talented players.

They also almost immediately got injured. Also all the Willard haters love to leave out his second season with Theodore missed FTs away from making the NCAAT (a great career ft shooter btw)

And lastly the thing that is NEVER discussed is how insanely more difficult the BE was during that era was vs now

I would ALMOST say Gonzalez had a much better run than Sha based on how stacked the BE was during his time
 

Piratz

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What? It's a fiction that seems to thrive here that Willard inherited a barren roster. In fact, he inherited a dysfunctional program, but his first team was rather talented, including a Parade All-American in Herb Pope, as well as Jeremy Hazell, Jordan Theodore, Jeff Robinson, and Fuquan Edwin. Was his challenge getting this bunch to play organized and as a team? Yes. It's the same one Holloway has every single year now, too, only with less-talented players.
What a mess that group was, whew. Individually talented, yes, but a handful and then some to deal with. Another team that played great defense but couldn’t score.

Not to mention the toxic mess that prevented us from recruiting well for a couple years after.
 
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NIL BAD

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What? It's a fiction that seems to thrive here that Willard inherited a barren roster. In fact, he inherited a dysfunctional program, but his first team was rather talented, including a Parade All-American in Herb Pope, as well as Jeremy Hazell, Jordan Theodore, Jeff Robinson, and Fuquan Edwin. Was his challenge getting this bunch to play organized and as a team? Yes. It's the same one Holloway has every single year now, too, only with less-talented players.
I said the program, not the roster. We were the laughing stock of college basketball when Willard took over. That is not debatable. Ask any HS coach in the Tri-State area. Not the case at all when Holloway took over.

As far as NIL, he knew exactly what he was getting in to. But just like the entire SH administration, he had no idea how to manage it unlike most Big East admins & coaches.
 

MBryantFan88

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For those who want to let Sha go, be prepared to become the way station for any coach to follow. No one will stay here with even a modicum of success.

At worst, Sha’s results have been mediocre.
 
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PhishingPirate088

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For those who want to let Sha go, be prepared to become the way station for any coach to follow. No one will stay here with even a modicum of success.

At worst, Sha’s results have been mediocre.
Ole Miss just lost their coach with a legit shot to win a NC

Coaches leaving are part of this world. Should never make someone scared to fire someone who isn’t right for the job

But We owe sha so much money it’s a silly discussion anyway
 

Shudude121

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We’ve had a lot of great looks and players can’t shoot or finish. I agree the offense is a bit stagnant right now but blame has to placed on those that play the game. Holloway can’t put it in the hoop for them. Big East D is different than what we’ve seen pre-conference. Players need to man up.
 
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One thing that is really tough to see is how people have done a complete 180 on Sha. In 2022 he was an upgrade, goodbye Willard, hello favorite son, second weekend of the tournament here we come, etc to how quickly he doesn't have a clue on what he's doing.
This is not completely true. There are posters on this site that have not been complimentary since year one or two. However, most don't fit into that category. Sha is focused on defense for the most part. His offensive record in two different conferences has not been great. The NIL hurt his recruiting situation, a little better now. They did win the NIT and that has been the bright spot. This season started out great. Now it could go either way.
 

NIL BAD

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My view on him hasn't changed since day 1. Like his predecessor, he was inexperienced MAC coach taking a huge step up. Unlike his predecessor, he was given the keys to a program that had made the tournament 5 of the previous 7 years. He has a gritty, hard nose style of coaching that works well with undervalued players with a chip on their shoulders but also wears on you over time, especially when the results are not good.
 

MBryantFan88

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Ole Miss just lost their coach with a legit shot to win a NC

Coaches leaving are part of this world. Should never make someone scared to fire someone who isn’t right for the job

But We owe sha so much money it’s a silly discussion anyway
Without a doubt, coaches changes happen, and when they need to happen, should happen. This isn't coaching leaving, this is people clamoring for him to leave though, thinking we're going to just find a "better" coach.

At worst here, Sha's been middling. Theres no real reason for this discussion.
 
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