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When the conference gets together that’s going to be one tough conversation.
I see Val saying. Play better. Win more games.
coaches respond, ok
I see Val saying. Play better. Win more games.
coaches respond, ok
Nice to know we can get in with 12 wins, but makes every game from here on out do or die. 8 games remaining. Need to find 6 wins. We are on life support but I’m here for it.
6-2 down the stretch with this roster and this coach is an absolute pipe dream.
Unless you beat both UConn and St. John’s at this point we will not get in. That’s an absolute fact. Even with winning every other game. You absolutely can not go in to selection sunday with 1 high quality win..
It’s money for some, leadership for others. Marquette, Providence, and Georgetown have a ton of cash. So does Creighton. Why are they all down?
Gotta get to 21-9, 11-8 for St. John’s and take your shot.
If we finish 20-11, 10-10 it’s a step forward after last year and the dire straits of fund g questions. At least we showed something and better than I thought we’d be, but it’s not good enough and we still need major work. It would be another collapse after 14-2, 4-1 and #25 ranking and Sha will be 0/4 in NCAAT.
Not good.
I think pipe dream is overstating it, but I agree that 6-2 is not reasonable to expect from this team. It’s been a while since we’ve looked anything like an NCAA team.
When push comes to shove, I don't see us ahead of Creighton at the end.
You think if we went 7-1 the rest of the way with the only loss coming @ UConn, we get left out? No way.
We currently have a 6-7 Q1+Q2 record with 4 Q1 games and 1 Q2 game remaining. Assuming the loss to UConn, that would leave us at 10-8 Q1+Q2 record, which is above the .500 mark so often talked about as an at-large qualifier. We also have a solid road+neutral record which would only improve if we went 7-1. Getting left out at 7-1 (overall record 23-8) only happens if there are an unforeseen number of bid stealers like what happened 2 years ago.
Val getting awards while the conference slips further & further into oblivion. Sounds about right.
Last night was all the evidence we need that we're not a tournament team. All this Q1 & Q2 talk is nonsense. We lost every game we needed to win & will continue to do so unless Fisher & Williams quickly improve their scoring big time. Both play way too much to contribute so little.
Last night was all the evidence we need that we're not a tournament team. All this Q1 & Q2 talk is nonsense. We lost every game we needed to win & will continue to do so unless Fisher & Williams quickly improve their scoring big time. Both play way too much to contribute so little.
Yes - While we can't discount our wins on the road, we have literally failed every major test we have had (Nova 2x, UCONN, St John's, USC).
6 Connecticut
24 St. John’s
32 Villanova
51 Seton Hall
67 Butler
82 Creighton
84 Providence
94 Georgetown
101 Xavier
106 DePaul
126 Marquette
The BE is churning on itself too and not in a good way. Butler and Creighton have completely imploded losing to the bad teams, bringing things down instead of up. But hey, Georgetown is rising, maybe they could sneak into a Q2 home game on 2/21. LMAO
You only have two legit contenders, a very good team that could get to the second weekend with the right matchups. Then us, a play-in type of team. That’s bad for the league. Not doing well in this new era.
24 St. John’s
32 Villanova
51 Seton Hall
67 Butler
82 Creighton
84 Providence
94 Georgetown
101 Xavier
106 DePaul
126 Marquette
The BE is churning on itself too and not in a good way. Butler and Creighton have completely imploded losing to the bad teams, bringing things down instead of up. But hey, Georgetown is rising, maybe they could sneak into a Q2 home game on 2/21. LMAO
You only have two legit contenders, a very good team that could get to the second weekend with the right matchups. Then us, a play-in type of team. That’s bad for the league. Not doing well in this new era.
You would need an immediate 5 game win streak too IMO. Set up juice and confidence. Cannot see that after what we’ve seen for 12 games, unfortunately. Here’s hoping!
2/7 at Creighton
2/11 vs. Providence
2/15 at Butler
2/18 vs. DePaul
2/21 vs. Georgetown
If you think that there is a chance we go 7 and 1 the rest of the way why not 8 and 0? It is just as likely.
6-2 is possible and 5-3 more likely. Having said that not sure what the SHU at Creighton game will look like. We have been torched by two teams in a row from three. Back to one game at a time.
I don’t think 8-0 or 7-1 is realistic. I was responding to his comment about 8-0 not getting us a bid. That’s just flat-out wrong.
Big East was destroyed in the OOC which brings every team down. Having 6 teams with over an 80 NET and 75 KP is horrendous. The only positive this year is the floor has been raised. This is first year in a while there's not been 1 or 2 teams pulling everyone down with a ranking of 200 or worse.
The schools need to invest more money into their Programs. It's not a coincidence that the 3 best teams are the 3 highest spenders on Player and Coaches Salaries. Taking a crack at the Player Salary Pools for each team, the 2nd tier have all underachieved and the bottom tier need to spend more money.
Above-Average for P5 $9-12 range
StJohns
UConn
Nova
Average for BE/P5 $7-9 range
Creighton
Georgetown
Providence
Marquette
Below Average for League and P5 $4-6 range
Xavier
Butler
Seton Hall
DePaul
The American Conference instituted a minimum that member schools were required to put toward revenue sharing. I don't recall the particulars and, of course, they also have football to think about, but I'd be in favor of that for the Big East. It shouldn't be less than $8 million, either.
You should walk over to Sha's office and tell him you are going to be his analytics guy (you agree to work for free until you turn our program around). Quite frankly, you should probably have Felt's job. Anyway, you are such a great poster.
Are you able to get these amounts for the other conferences? I would love to know where the Big East stands. With that said, there are 8 schools on the list paying a cumulative ~$50M for really bad basketball teams.
These are educated guesses based on all I've read, looking at the talent, etc. The most accurate estimates I've seen reported were by The Athletic who polled 35 coaches at Peach Jam this summer.
Average estimated roster costs
| ACC | $8.2 million |
| Big East | $8 million |
| Big Ten | $8.5 million |
| Big 12 | $8.6 million |
| SEC | $9.7 million |
| Mid-major plus | $2.3 million |
| Low- to mid-major | $525,000 |
May need some new dynamic leadership. The league trend isn’t great lately. I don’t get the sense Val is a dynamic pusher, more an administrator.
There is more than enough money at some of these schools struggling. Others like Seton Hall, DePaul, Butler will always been on the lower end financially.
There is more than enough money at some of these schools struggling. Others like Seton Hall, DePaul, Butler will always been on the lower end financially.
Gotta steal 1 at st johns or uconn to have a shot. Even if we mow thru the rest and loat to uconn st johns we are a bubble team looking out
It should be noted that a lot of the Power 4 football schools went on a spending spree early on in the transfer portal to get ahead of the House settlement going into effect. The cap is supposed to be just under $22M for next year with the 4% increase from this year, so it remains to be seen whether these averages go down or not.
I feel like we've been saying this every year since Sha took over and it never works out that way, lol.
LOL!
that "1" difference is only UConn on the road!
Just as likely?
I will take that bet 10 days out of 10.
Look, if we go 7-1...and I don't believe there is a chance that we do that...we are in (relative) good shape; 6-2 and depending on who is in the "6" might be enough...but again, I don't see this team doing it. We just need too many things to go right to win against any level of competent teams. And right now... we are not consistently hitting on those keys...shooting....rebounding....defending the 3.
if that is the case....then the Big East did a bad job of scouting and picking the right players. Based on the above, though the lowest of the Big 5, not by much; certainly not low enough to justify such a split in performance so far where only 3 teams are showing true ability to beat quality teams.
The crazy thing about this team is that they are probably the most consistent SHU team in memory that has the same performance game in and game out.
Slow start, poor shooting, Strong second half. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Slow start, poor shooting, Strong second half. Wash, rinse, repeat.
He’s never even won a BET game yet.
Correct. 0-3. The second loss against St. John's was the one that he had to have. Been a disappointing three years thus far.