SIAP: Marty Smith great take on DeBoer through year 2

Marty got the dookie eye?

Also dude looks like he got that Tua pink eye😂 South of the bor-derrrrr down Mexico way, South of the border, where the tuna fish play.

I love Marty. But I think he’s arguing against a straw man. At least at this point. Because nobody significant and not even a significant part of the fan base is wanting to run him off. Now. That could change if we continue to play the way we have on offense, lose 4-5 games, and miss the playoffs. But today, the vast majority of Alabama folks aren’t calling for his head.

the Lanning thing always makes me laugh because no one ever seems to question him always being blown out on the big stage :ROFLMAO:

Why is this still being discussed? The national medias obsession with KD is really weird.

Prophet said:

I love Marty. But I think he’s arguing against a straw man. At least at this point. Because nobody significant and not even a significant part of the fan base is wanting to run him off. Now. That could change if we continue to play the way we have on offense, lose 4-5 games, and miss the playoffs. But today, the vast majority of Alabama folks aren’t calling for his head.

I think the straw man is alive and well. A lot of folks on this board are ready to run him off. The point Marty made about context is spot on. DeBoer is coaching in a completely different environment than the one Saban dominated. And perhaps the better point he makes is: who exactly are we hiring that’s better? That’s the part the Finebaum idiots never bother to think through. If we start firing coaches every time they fall short of the Saban standard, we’ll destroy Alabama's reputation as one of the premier jobs in college football. It's my view that Bama fans need to accept the current reality - the Saban days aren't coming back.

Prophet said:

I love Marty. But I think he’s arguing against a straw man. At least at this point. Because nobody significant and not even a significant part of the fan base is wanting to run him off. Now. That could change if we continue to play the way we have on offense, lose 4-5 games, and miss the playoffs. But today, the vast majority of Alabama folks aren’t calling for his head.

The main stream media pushes a narrative that doesnt really exist. It exist by less than 25% of the fanbase

Prophet said:

I love Marty. But I think he’s arguing against a straw man. At least at this point. Because nobody significant and not even a significant part of the fan base is wanting to run him off. Now. That could change if we continue to play the way we have on offense, lose 4-5 games, and miss the playoffs. But today, the vast majority of Alabama folks aren’t calling for his head.

I'd guess half the fan base has serious doubts. There are lots of casuals who feel that way. I didn't have doubts until the SECC game. The IU game was ugly. I'm still hopeful he stays and wins big.

bgwin said:

I think the straw man is alive and well. A lot of folks on this board are ready to run him off. The point Marty made about context is spot on. DeBoer is coaching in a completely different environment than the one Saban dominated. And perhaps the better point he makes is: who exactly are we hiring that’s better? That’s the part the Finebaum idiots never bother to think through. If we start firing coaches every time they fall short of the Saban standard, we’ll destroy Alabama's reputation as one of the premier jobs in college football. It's my view that Bama fans need to accept the current reality - the Saban days aren't coming back.

Yeah, this is true and I haven’t posted it everyday or anything, but we’re in a pretty good spot (I think) for where the program would be post Saban. The other point that cannot be stressed enough (either nationally or just our fanbase) is the Saban days aren’t coming back for anyone. Period. Not GA, not OSU, not OR and sure as shat, not IN or TN. I have posted may times, “who are we going hire?”. For the idiots here, they seem to think some tough-talking, Southern bred, run first, defensive $hit-kicker is easily picked up if we wanted it bad enough. Um, no. And I am not guaranteeing CKD will have the success “we” expect (even post-Saban), but he sure as hell is #1 on a hell of a lot of blue blood program's lists. We need to take a breath and think about that. But it won’t be like that.

He was asked the original question in regards to Klatt and Stephen A. talking down the direction of the program yesterday. That’s why TNR asked him about it. Also, he has a scratched cornea.

That couldn’t have been more perfectly said

Rsfields42 said:

Why is this still being discussed? The national medias obsession with KD is really weird.

They are obsessed with BAMA it doesn't matter who the coach is a large portion of national sports "media" has made it their mission in life to criticize everything BAMA. Because BAMA moves the needle good or bad people will watch or click on anything BAMA related. BAMA haters to see what they wrote or said bad about BAMA & BAMA fans because we watch, read or click on anything BAMA related.

MarkBarronsGhost said:

The main stream media pushes a narrative that doesnt really exist. It exist by less than 25% of the fanbase

And unfortunately, it feels like 90% of that 25% post on Bama online lol

What the hell is he talking about Dan Lanning??? Deboer owned him in the pac12 and this past year he got blown out and eliminated from the playoffs by the same team Deboer did. "Dan Lanning is the only one" is just ignorant

Crimson Dominance said:

I'd guess half the fan base has serious doubts. There are lots of casuals who feel that way. I didn't have doubts until the SECC game. The IU game was ugly. I'm still hopeful he stays and wins big.

I have doubts, too. I would go so far as to say my doubts strongly outweigh my confidence. I think it’s more likely he gets fired than that he wins a national championship. In fact, I am almost certain that he will be fired at some point. But that’s not what I want. I certainly don’t want it right now. I want him to succeed greatly and prove me to be a bigger idiot than I already am.

bgwin said:

I think the straw man is alive and well. A lot of folks on this board are ready to run him off. The point Marty made about context is spot on. DeBoer is coaching in a completely different environment than the one Saban dominated. And perhaps the better point he makes is: who exactly are we hiring that’s better? That’s the part the Finebaum idiots never bother to think through. If we start firing coaches every time they fall short of the Saban standard, we’ll destroy Alabama's reputation as one of the premier jobs in college football. It's my view that Bama fans need to accept the current reality - the Saban days aren't coming back.

This is common sense. The problem is this trait is more rare these days bc most people are sheep and lack critical thinking skills, believe the propaganda, and can’t distinguish between them.

o_BeachTide said:

They are obsessed with BAMA it doesn't matter who the coach is a large portion of national sports "media" has made it their mission in life to criticize everything BAMA. Because BAMA moves the needle good or bad people will watch or click on anything BAMA related. BAMA haters to see what they wrote or said bad about BAMA & BAMA fans because we watch, read or click on anything BAMA related.

This is also true

bgwin said:

I think the straw man is alive and well. A lot of folks on this board are ready to run him off. The point Marty made about context is spot on. DeBoer is coaching in a completely different environment than the one Saban dominated. And perhaps the better point he makes is: who exactly are we hiring that’s better? That’s the part the Finebaum idiots never bother to think through. If we start firing coaches every time they fall short of the Saban standard, we’ll destroy Alabama's reputation as one of the premier jobs in college football. It's my view that Bama fans need to accept the current reality - the Saban days aren't coming back.

I have seen and heard lots of doubts about him, even lots of speculation that he will be fired at some point, but in only a few cases (outside of in game threads) have I seen or heard calls for him to be fired right now. I also think there’s a wide gap between the Saban standard and what most who are unhappy with him would be satisfied with. A gap that many in the pro-Deboer/defend DeBoer no matter what crowd is as slow to acknowledge as some are to acknowledge that the sport has changed. If he would eliminate, or cut down drastically, the bad losses and the big losses, and put an offense on the field that did not look outmatched and does not get worse over the course of the season, I think most of the doubters would be won over. For example, take the way the fanbase felt after Georgia/Tennessee and after OK in the playoffs. Doubters were won over. Or back over. But every time that happens. OK in the regular season, GA in the SEC Championship, & Indiana happens. And for every successful recruiting class there is a underwhelming transfer portal. At some point, he has to get off the see-saw. If he does, most everyone at this point understands that we aren’t going to have rosters or success like we did in the Saban days.

Prophet said:

I have seen and heard lots of doubts about him, even lots of speculation that he will be fired at some point, but in only a few cases (outside of in game threads) have I seen or heard calls for him to be fired right now. I also think there’s a wide gap between the Saban standard and what most who are unhappy with him would be satisfied with. A gap that many in the pro-Deboer/defend DeBoer no matter what crowd is as slow to acknowledge as some are to acknowledge that the sport has changed. If he would eliminate, or cut down drastically, the bad losses and the big losses, and put an offense on the field that did not look outmatched and does not get worse over the course of the season, I think most of the doubters would be won over. For example, take the way the fanbase felt after Georgia/Tennessee and after OK in the playoffs. Doubters were won over. Or back over. But every time that happens. OK in the regular season, GA in the SEC Championship, & Indiana happens. And for every successful recruiting class there is a underwhelming transfer portal. At some point, he has to get off the see-saw. If he does, most everyone at this point understands that we aren’t going to have rosters or success like we did in the Saban days.

This is essentially year 2. He was defenseless for 30?days and replaced the GOAT, with care. I hear you though. Year 3, this year, I want to see GRIT. Year 4 is the year we know what we’ve got. It’s a new world.

Whats going on with Martys eye lol

Prophet said:

I have seen and heard lots of doubts about him, even lots of speculation that he will be fired at some point, but in only a few cases (outside of in game threads) have I seen or heard calls for him to be fired right now. I also think there’s a wide gap between the Saban standard and what most who are unhappy with him would be satisfied with. A gap that many in the pro-Deboer/defend DeBoer no matter what crowd is as slow to acknowledge as some are to acknowledge that the sport has changed. If he would eliminate, or cut down drastically, the bad losses and the big losses, and put an offense on the field that did not look outmatched and does not get worse over the course of the season, I think most of the doubters would be won over. For example, take the way the fanbase felt after Georgia/Tennessee and after OK in the playoffs. Doubters were won over. Or back over. But every time that happens. OK in the regular season, GA in the SEC Championship, & Indiana happens. And for every successful recruiting class there is a underwhelming transfer portal. At some point, he has to get off the see-saw. If he does, most everyone at this point understands that we aren’t going to have rosters or success like we did in the Saban days.

There was nothing underwhelming about our transfer portal class this year. We met every need. I’m very bullish on where this team is headed into the 2026 season. How quickly the QB position develops will determine whether we have a good season or a great season. Either way, 2027 sets up to be spectacular.

Context matters. Year 1 wasn’t really year 1. He had to keep a roster from being plundered while hiring coaches, working without a portal, and then plugging guys into two new systems they wernt recruited for. This year is really “year 1” and we went to the SEC title game and won a playoff game. For all the talk of Texas (no sec title, 1 playoff win, no wins against UGA), Oregon (1 pac 12 title with Lanning when Deboer was gone, 1 playoff win, multiple blowout losses), and even UGA (since 2022 title they missed the playoff and then lost 2 years straight in their opening game plus lost to us in both regular season games) I don’t see anyone that’s radically better than us in the SEC. I think Kirby deserves the benefit of the doubt and he has back to back SEC titles but they aren’t some kind of Death Star. The big issue is we lost 2 big games to end the season and lost to a bad FL State. We can’t lose to radically inferior teams and we can’t get stomped on a big stage regardless of other big wins (GA in Athens and Norman playoff win). That said, there is just a ton more variance in today’s game than there’s ever been and it’s hard to know who’s going to be what in any given year. If we keep winning 10+ games and putting ourselves in a position to be in the playoff then that’s all you can hope for.

THe Media : "If Bama fans give Kalen a chance, he will succeed. They need to understand he isnt Saban" Also the media : "Why isnt Kalen winning, why isnt he Nick Saban"

TomJames1978 said:

There was nothing underwhelming about our transfer portal class this year. We met every need. I’m very bullish on where this team is headed into the 2026 season. How quickly the QB position develops will determine whether we have a good season or a great season. Either way, 2027 sets up to be spectacular.

The only people who think we did not have an underwhelming portal class are some Alabama fans and/or among the Alabama team media. Outside of kicker and punter, who, to be fair, appear to be really good,we picked up five players who were starters where they came from. One of those was at a lower level, one was an average to below average SEC tackle for among the worst teams in the league, and one was an average WR at NC St. None of those three are better than who they potentially will replace. Only Thompkins and Woodson seem to be sure things to start for us, and it is debatable whether they are as good as James Smith and our departing ILBs. That’s not me being negative; I’m just saying what everyone else, including the non- Alabama experts, are saying. The same guys who rank our recruiting classes so highly, whom we agree with, ranked our portal class…not highly. At the very least, it lacks star power, especially at the spots where we needed some stars. Personally, I do think some of the portal guys who weren’t previously starters are talented, have a lot of potential, and will start and/or help us next year. And I hope the whole group proves everyone wrong. But when it comes them, underwhelming is not a term that is original to me. Especially relative to others in the conference and around the country.