Why fire Paris and then provide next coach with same level of NIL?

Plus whatever his guarantee is. Is it 8 million this year?

Cockytom86 said:

We’ll get similar results.

My question to you is serious and not snarky. What makes you believe no one could do better than what Paris has done? Do you feel that 12 wins a season is our ceiling from here on out? I don't. We weren't last in the SEC in NIL spent, and there are coaches out there who had less NIL backing who have evaluated much better, and at least have fielded competitive teams. Some people may not care about MBB, but there are a good many of us that do. So, I would ask the same question of football. If we're going to provide the next coach with the same amount of NIL, then why put pressure on Beamer? We'll get similar results.

Cockytom86 said:

We’ll get similar results.

4-26 in his last 30 SEC games. Makes Darrin Horn look like John Wooden.

Basically would have to pay CLP almost the same amount of $$$ as we paid Will Muschamp. I believe it to be just over $12MM. I simply don’t see us doing that unless there is a negotiated lower buyout or some rich donor really wants to win in basketball. Though writing this check doesn’t directly make us better.

You have to pay players. I’m not sure I understand the question. I’m thinking also about the interview with the U Houston coach from a few weeks back. Not that I needed that confirmation, but we all gotta pay.

“You have to pay players”. This is the part that seems to frustrate our fanbase more than it seems to bother others. We’ll find every excuse possible to explain away why we can’t. “Other schools have Mega NIL donor. Other schools have richer fanbase. I’m not paying players” All of those things may be true. But equally true is whoever we get next, if we give the same NIL to basketball as we do now, we’ll have about a 4-26 record over the same period. Why is this so difficult to understand, or accept?

Lamont can’t recruit worth a crap with or without money

Do you honestly feel Paris is getting all he can out of the roster he has? He built this himself, he did not inherit this. Even if you assume we got the best we could based on our NIL budget, do you think he did a good job of building a team? No point guard for 2 years now. No inside presence at all. He said he recruited 3 point shooters, yet we are a terrible 3-point shooting team. We have problems that go way beyond NIL They just seem to stand around and wait on someone to pass them the ball and shoot. These guys can't play dead, and have been that way for 2 years now, with two completely different rosters, both built by Paris.

PeerSC said:

Lamont can’t recruit worth a crap with or without money

May be true. But without increase in NIL, we’re gonna have same results with any new coach. Our pitch to a new coach is essentially this. “ Look, we’ll expect you to beat SEC teams on a consistent basis and go to NCAA somewhat regularly. And by the way, we’re going to provide you far less resources (NIL, practice facility/support) to attract the talent you need in order to accomplish those things. best of luck”.

Cockytom86 said:

“You have to pay players”. This is the part that seems to frustrate our fanbase more than it seems to bother others. We’ll find every excuse possible to explain away why we can’t. “Other schools have Mega NIL donor. Other schools have richer fanbase. I’m not paying players” All of those things may be true. But equally true is whoever we get next, if we give the same NIL to basketball as we do now, we’ll have about a 4-26 record over the same period. Why is this so difficult to understand, or accept?

So you think that Lamont is getting the most out of these players and no matter who coached them, the results would be the same.

GivEmDaSpurs said:

So you think that Lamont is getting the most out of these players and no matter who coached them, the results would be the same.

I don’t think we would lose by 25. We would lose by 10 or so.

We’re looking for any “escape hatch” that will allow us to win in basketball consistently without a drastic change in our NIL formula for basketball. The escape hatch does not exist.

From what I'm hearing Paris will get another season too turn this program around. Also if we were to fire now his buyout is pretty big along with the contract of a new coach.

Cockytom86 said:

I don’t think we would lose by 25. We would lose by 10 or so.

I disagree. The right coach would not start 6’6 Stute at the 4. The right coach would not have Meechie running the offense. The right coach would not redshirt Cam Scott. You cannot convince me that Grant Polk is more ready to compete in the SEC than Cam Scott. The right coach would not have sat EJ Walker for half the season. There are coaches that could do much better with the same group of players. The offense needs structure and some pace to it.

DayDay said:

From what I'm hearing Paris will get another season too turn this program around. Also if we were to fire now his buyout is pretty big along with the contract of a new coach.

I have my doubts on that but even they were leaning that way…there’s still 8 games left. Let’s see if they can afford to just throw money towards a roster at the end of the season.

DayDay said:

From what I'm hearing Paris will get another season too turn this program around. Also if we were to fire now his buyout is pretty big along with the contract of a new coach.

I can't wait to see what kind of players he will be able to bring in after this year's shitshow.

DayDay said:

From what I'm hearing Paris will get another season too turn this program around. Also if we were to fire now his buyout is pretty big along with the contract of a new coach.

This would be suicide for the program. There's no way this happens.

Do you think NIL is the only issue for Paris?

Cockytom86 said:

May be true. But without increase in NIL, we’re gonna have same results with any new coach. Our pitch to a new coach is essentially this. “ Look, we’ll expect you to beat SEC teams on a consistent basis and go to NCAA somewhat regularly. And by the way, we’re going to provide you far less resources (NIL, practice facility/support) to attract the talent you need in order to accomplish those things. best of luck”.

So many excuses here its nauseating. Find a winner and he can do fine here. All those excuses haven't stopped Dawn have they?

Dizzy01 said:

Do you think NIL is the only issue for Paris?

I'm not sure that's what he's writing. I'm guessing the point is that the next coach won't have the tools to be successful and we'll still be subpar.

Cockytom86 said:

We’ll get similar results.

So how much NIL $'s did JD allot to MBB? You surely must know. We can only hope the new coach will spend more wisely with the few $'s he has. 2 7 footers riding the bench is some evidence.

Bhaig said:

So many excuses here its nauseating. Find a winner and he can do fine here. All those excuses haven't stopped Dawn have they?

Different era when Dawn built her program. She has donors that give specifically to her NIL now. If you think we can compete in men’s basketball being last in NIL you’re wrong. I actually wish you were right. But not happening. It’s not excuses. It’s reality.

RileyCock said:

I'm not sure that's what he's writing. I'm guessing the point is that the next coach won't have the tools to be successful and we'll still be subpar.

I think the counterpoint to that is, we could've trotted Wes Mitchell out there in place of Paris and still won 4 of our last 30 SEC games.

We gonna fire Paris so we can shoot for winning 4-5 conference games a year when we overachieve? I agree, Paris has not done a good coaching job last two years. A better coach’s ceiling will be winning 4-5 conference games a year with no upgrade to NIL.