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Seton75

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Seton Hall itself doesn't fund much of this, the donors do.
Rev share? isnt that the VAST majority of the $. Some may be rev produced by hoops, but that used to be revenue for the school to use as needed.
 
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dehere23

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The league was awful in the non-conference. We all said it at the time. It was always going to have a ripple effect come selection Sunday, and it did. Our league champ wins the double, and gets a 5-seed with an opening game on the west coast. Yikes.
And it didn't help to have so many teams around the .500 mark within the league or below.

Florida like SJU lost to a number of high major tourney teams in the OOC (including Uconn). Didn't impact their seeding because the SEC is strong.

Virginia lost to Butler in the OOC; beat Texas and then won a million games in the ACC. They get a 3 seed.

I mentioned Nebraska in another thread -- get a 4 seed and I don't think they did anything in the OOC.

Big East needs to get better.
 

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It sucks for SJU to go to San Diego but they have Northern Iowa first and then Kansas, which is not the worst draw in the world. If they win they get Duke but at least they'll take their shot in DC against them instead of playing Michigan in Chicago or Florida in Houston.
Also possible Darryn Peterson decides 20 min of play is enough for him
 

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Also possible Darryn Peterson decides 20 min of play is enough for him
That seems like the wildcard if they meet up. Kansas is more talented and Peterson is probably the most dynamic talent in college, but he’s had such an odd year (apparently agent driven, although that is a rumor obviously).
 

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I understand the frustration about SJU, I don’t know who on the 4 line (AR, AL, KS, NE) you knock down. All four had more quad 1 wins and none of them had a Q3 loss that the Johnnies had (Providence at home).
I think 5 was fair, but put them in a different region from UConn. To me it screams football money interference. They didn't want to risk the Big East getting 50% of the final four money, now it's guaranteed they can't.
 

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I think 5 was fair, but put them in a different region from UConn. To me it screams football money interference. They didn't want to risk the Big East getting 50% of the final four money, now it's guaranteed they can't.
The chairperson is the sun belt commish, stu jackson on committee, 1AD each from P4 many more persons from non P4 than P4, nope
 

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I think 5 was fair, but put them in a different region from UConn. To me it screams football money interference. They didn't want to risk the Big East getting 50% of the final four money, now it's guaranteed they can't.
100%. And that’s why now is the time for expansion. We need to get more teams in the tourney and take this kind of nonsense out of the committees hands.
 

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So 2/11 is no good but x/more than 11 is good...make it make sense

Having more programs means more teams capable of reaching the tournament. Which means the committee can’t manipulate the brackets and eliminate big east final four matchups…
 

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Another option that Hurley has been pushing for is to go to an 18 game league schedule, which frees up teams to schedule high major tough games in February like Michigan and Duke did this past year.
 
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If 5 is fair then UConn is way over seeded at 2. SJ won the BE & the BET & is being penalized for losing a few games back in Nov & Dec.
 
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The Big East Conference has become the Rodney Dangerfield of college basketball.
What a load of crap. Seven of 11 teams finished at or below .500 overall with five teams sub .500. The league wasn't very good this year.

Time for expansion.
All expansion does is take money out of everyone's pocket. What schools are you adding that will force our media partners to throw more money at the Big East. I don't see any realistic options that move the needle.

I understand the frustration about SJU, I don’t know who on the 4 line (AR, AL, KS, NE) you knock down. All four had more quad 1 wins and none of them had a Q3 loss that the Johnnies had (Providence at home).
St. John's best OOC win was against Baylor who finished 15-16 and tied for 13th in the Big 12. They scheduled well but didn't win against their best opponents. And as we've seen the Big East was simply not that good.
 
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What a load of crap. Seven of 11 teams finished at or below .500 overall with five teams sub .500. The league wasn't very good this year.


All expansion does is take money out of everyone's pocket. What schools are you adding that will force our media partners to throw more money at the Big East. I don't see any realistic options that move the needle.


St. John's best OOC win was against Baylor who finished 15-16 and tied for 13th in the Big 12. They scheduled well but didn't win against their best opponents. And as we've seen the Big East was simply not that good.
The Big East was terrible this year. My Dangerfield reference was about putting St. John's and UConn in the same region.
 

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Uconn beat kansas, byu, illinois, mich st, fla and texas and lost to Zona, sju lost most of their big oocs? Sounds fair to me

But that was 3-4 months ago. SJ clearly the better team heading into the tournament.
 

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Having more programs means more teams capable of reaching the tournament. Which means the committee can’t manipulate the brackets and eliminate big east final four matchups…
How about the existing members up their games so that the BE gets more teams in.
 
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dehere23

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I like Hurley’s 18 league game idea. What Michigan and Duke did playing a OOC game in February at a neutral site is something that probably benefited both in some way and is also great for the fan bases.
 
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SJU and UConn in the same region is a direct violation of the NCAA's bracketing principles. The first three teams selected from the same conference are to be placed in different regions. This is malpractice and an explanation needs to be provided.
 
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SJU and UConn in the same region is a direct violation of the NCAA's bracketing principles. The first three teams selected from the same conference are to be placed in different regions. This is malpractice and an explanation needs to be provided.
Conference Matchup Rules

The first four teams from any conference placed on the top four seed lines must be assigned to different regions (unless five or more teams appear on those seed lines).
Teams from the same conference:
Cannot meet before the regional final if they played three or more times during the regular season and conference tournament.
Cannot meet before the regional semifinal if they played twice.
May meet as early as the second round if they played once or not at all.
These restrictions may be relaxed if a conference has nine or more teams in the tournament.
Any principle may be relaxed if two or more of the conference’s teams are among the last four at-large teams in the First Four.
Top-seeded teams (first four lines) will not be placed where they would face a significant home-crowd disadvantage.
 

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I like Hurley’s 18 league game idea. What Michigan and Duke did playing a OOC game in February at a neutral site is something that probably benefited both in some way and is also great for the fan bases.


Yup. Good idea.
 
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Conference Matchup Rules

The first four teams from any conference placed on the top four seed lines must be assigned to different regions (unless five or more teams appear on those seed lines).
Teams from the same conference:
Cannot meet before the regional final if they played three or more times during the regular season and conference tournament.
Cannot meet before the regional semifinal if they played twice.
May meet as early as the second round if they played once or not at all.
These restrictions may be relaxed if a conference has nine or more teams in the tournament.
Any principle may be relaxed if two or more of the conference’s teams are among the last four at-large teams in the First Four.
Top-seeded teams (first four lines) will not be placed where they would face a significant home-crowd disadvantage

Go to page 4: https://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/files/finalfourprinciples.pdf

"Each of the first three teams selected from a conference shall be placed in different regions." It has been this way for a while.
 

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The Big East was terrible this year. My Dangerfield reference was about putting St. John's and UConn in the same region.
They don't meet before the regional finals. I don't understand why this is as big a deal as people want to make it.

They both have to win three games first.
 

dehere23

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18 game sched good for the top teams. Heloscuconn abd sju, hurts most of us. no thanks Playing every team home and away is perfect for a conference.
I disagree with you there. Why can't it help us? If we had two more good Ws, we may have been dancing. And if you lose those types of games it really doesn't hurt you all that much.
 

Seton75

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I disagree with you there. Why can't it help us? If we had two more good Ws, we may have been dancing. And if you lose those types of games it really doesn't hurt you all that much.
It could. Dont think it will. Cause we arent getting any big games, imo.

Imagine the BE this year if we didnt add uconn and if repole wanted to spend his money on modern art.
 
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It could. Dont think it will. Cause we arent getting any big games, imo.

Imagine the BE this year if we didnt add uconn and if repole wanted to spend his money on modern art.
It doesn’t need to be Michigan or Duke. Plenty of other high majors or even a consistently top school from the A-10 (like if Schertz is still at St Louis or Odom at VCU). I think there is possible value unless you tell me the Big East is going to get much better in the middle, which is possible.
 

andover joe

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Outside of UConn,SJU and Nova the BE is in trouble ie lack of NIL $$$.
Oh, so it is our problem that we don't compete financially with the bullybullies from the Big 10, ACC, etc.
Yes, I understand, that is our problem-as regards recruiting-but the rest of the equation, why is that a situation? We can, and will, continue to compete with the opposition[in BBall], whichis our main battlefield.
If we can battle them to a standoff in BBall, we will be fine
 

radecicco

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The BE was down this season b3 cause dependable top 35 teams like Marquette and Creighton had bad seasons. They both have a lot of money and are proven winners. If they return to their normal standards there will be plenty of opportunities for Q1 wins in conference. I expect them, especially Marquette, to bounce back.