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[bwc]

Oh - it’s a juicy and sordid tale of politics, cronyism, and power - Ross Dellinger does a nice job laying out the story behind the story…

The sordid tale of LSU football, the Louisiana governor and a yearslong feud

Even for Louisiana, a place with a history of jarring political acts and unusual public behavior, Gov. Jeff Landry’s unfurling this week has been a bizarre jolt. But the state's politics have long been uncomfortably intertwined with LSU football.

sports.yahoo.com

LSU to PSU: You think you've got difficulties? Hold my beer and I'll show you how to really f**k things up.

 

[LB99]

Source is me? Do opinions now need sources on this board?

I’m just curious because multiple people have said that and I don’t know why people are saying it.

 

[BobPSU92]

Oh - it’s a juicy and sordid tale of politics, cronyism, and power - Ross Dellinger does a nice job laying out the story behind the story…

The sordid tale of LSU football, the Louisiana governor and a yearslong feud

Even for Louisiana, a place with a history of jarring political acts and unusual public behavior, Gov. Jeff Landry’s unfurling this week has been a bizarre jolt. But the state's politics have long been uncomfortably intertwined with LSU football.

sports.yahoo.com

Thanks. Sad, but not surprising.

From the article:

“I’m embarrassed as I can be,” said one prominent school figure. “This is some embarrassing bulls***.”

It really is.

“During Wednesday’s news conference, he emphatically announced that any new coach will not receive anything as pricy and lengthy as Kelly’s contract (10 years, $100 million with 90% guaranteed). The problem with this? Whether you like it or not, that’s the current market for a top-10 college coach.”

”He” meaning the governor. Yeah, that will work out just fine.

uf must be really enjoying this.

 

[donaldfair71]

I’m just curious because multiple people have said that and I don’t know why people are saying it.

Ok, here’s why I think it:

Generally as a rule, I think college coaches would prefer the NFL. I say this as a high school coach/teacher who’s had the chance to meet roughly a few dozen assistants from the range of top 25 programs (including Penn State). If you get to talking to them in small talk while walking around the building or at practice, they all have mentioned the NFL to varying degrees. Some are just waiting on the call, some haven’t but have been offered QC jobs and are mulling it, but I’ve never had one tell me they’ve turned it down. Not one.
They’ll tell you the NFL demands 1/10 the work of college coaching, and the actual work is coaching. It’s not making sure everyone is in class or hoping Joey doesn’t get into another fight. It’s X and O, and a little scouting pre-draft. You don’t even really have to make practice schedules, the Union sets that. It was always the case, and now the portal just makes it worse.
Back to Day. I believe he’s an NFL head coach offer away from being an NFL head coach, and I believe it’ll be here sooner than later. I would say even a little more likely than Kirby or Saban in his final years because I think those guys do get a like bit bigger keys to the castle. Kirby can go 5 years before the seat even gets warm now. In 3 years with no title, Day will be back to pre-title hot seat. He’s not an alum, I don’t think they particularly care for his attitude, etc. He’s also been in the NFL, which matters to people, and folks will correctly surmise that a forward thinking offensive coach is more valuable than a forward thinking defensive coach at that level.

 

[DaytonRickster]

But where would Ryan Day go that Freeman would replace him? Day is only 46 and he's won OSU a natty - he's there for the duration, I think. In fact, over his time at OSU, he's only lost a total of 5 games - two last year, when he won that natty.

If Hartline is cocky, and presumably arrogant along with that, I wonder how he would get along with Kraft. If Hartline had a bit more age and experience, like Kirby Smart did when he went to Georgia, I would be more apt to support him.

If Day wins another Natty this year, the NFL comes calling. He can leave OSU as a coaching legend, even more so than Meyer, or dare I say Woody Hayes. That would open the door for Freeman or Hartline.

 

[Fred8811]

1. As you said much greater recent success.
2, Much, much easier talent acquisition. Bama recruits itself. Penn State does not.
3, Tougher to win is debatable. SEC play is not all that of late..
4. Fans are absolutely not more demanding, ask Franklin, and Penn State is a complete dumpster fire that he will have to fix before becoming competitive.
5. The culture fit and location is surely not my cup of tea, but honestly neither was State College when I was there for grad work. Winter sucked.
6. Resources should be comparable.

Main question is why? Its not that he is hurting for cash. He is flush. So, the decision will be made on different grounds.

Penn State definitely self recruits.
Ask the guys who come here.
Or spend sometime at other NE campuses.

 

[JVP_Yahweh]

Urban's "guy" at PSU is none other than Ira Lubert. He has mentioned that multiple times

 

[Itraindogs]

LSU to PSU: You think you've got difficulties? Hold my beer and I'll show you how to really f**k things up.

What a great read; thanks. Who takes this job, given the context, will be interesting to see. What a cluster. LSU is not the best job available now.

 

[Itraindogs]

Penn State definitely self recruits.
Ask the guys who come here.
Or spend sometime at other NE campuses.

You can see why this is false. Compare the attrition of Penn State's recruiting class against Florida's recruiting class. Hardly any have stepped off at Florida, while almost every recruit is either gone or is taking visits. Florida's class ranking has actually gone up one spot to 14th while Penn State's has nosedived to 27th and dropping. There are schools that are bigger than any coach. This is not the case at PSU.

 

[Ludd]

Recall this story:

La. governor: LSU AD won't select football coach

Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry told reporters Wednesday that LSU athletic director Scott Woodward won't be involved in selecting the Tigers' new football coach in the wake of Brian Kelly's firing.

www.espn.com

I know that lsu is a public university, but how does this happen? The governor stepped in and interfered with the hiring process. Then, the AD was fired today.

Dumb question: Could this happen at PSU? PSU is STATE.-RELATED. . Does that matter? Could the PA governor get in the way?

You have to ask? It’s Pennsylvania, one of the most corrupt states in the union….the governor can always stick his nose in places he doesn’t belong.

 

[PSU4U]

You have to ask? It’s Pennsylvania, one of the most corrupt states in the union….the governor can always stick his nose in places he doesn’t belong.

PA is a Commie Hardened State. Question is how long it will stay that way. Don't be surprised if he isn't trying to run PS behind the scenes. He does have a great deal of political and fiscal influence on the university as it is. I have always said that all universities and colleges should be private schools, they can also and do give sports scholarships.

 

[PSU4U]

He did win the Big Ten West one year at a school that had essentially no success before or after him for several years.

I would take him in a heartbeat. Currently some people around the university think he's currently their top choice and are pushing hard to get him. Also, supposedly the interview with Key went very well. Word was his agent was one of the first to contact PS. Does that mean he's seriously interested? The other guy is Drinkwitz. That might be the top three at this point.

Brohm's Salary is just under 6 million I could see PS easily willing to pay him a 9-10 million contract. What fool wouldn't take that that pay raise.

From agents contacting to phone calls to live internet interviews to private meetings to the contract table. I think this thing could begin to narrow down soon.

 

[BobPSU92]

You have to ask? It’s Pennsylvania, one of the most corrupt states in the union….the governor can always stick his nose in places he doesn’t belong.

I‘m not naive. However, I had never seen something like what just happened in Louisiana. How likely is that to happen in PA involving PSU or in other states? It’s disturbing.

Then again, look at what happened at PSU in 2011.

 

[PSU4U]

Can we end this silly fantasy now?

He gave a sales pitch to PS for Heartline or at least that's one of the stories.

 

[PSU87]

I’m just curious because multiple people have said that and I don’t know why people are saying it.

I really think the people posting here that pretend to be in the know, are indeed pretending to be in the know.

 

[donaldfair71]

I would take him in a heartbeat. Currently some people around the university think he's currently their top choice and are pushing hard to get him. Also, supposedly the interview with Key went very well. Word was his agent was one of the first to contact PS. Does that mean he's seriously interested? The other guy is Drinkwitz. That might be the top three at this point.

Brohm's Salary is just under 6 million I could see PS easily willing to pay him a 9-10 million contract. What fool wouldn't take that that pay raise.

From agents contacting to phone calls to live internet interviews to private meetings to the contract table. I think this thing could begin to narrow down soon.

Take him in a heartbeat as well. Brohm or Key would be home runs.

I find this time to be fascinating. It’s fun to read through and think about who prefers their current position but is using the psu search to leverage raises, those genuinely interested, those genuinely interested and would leave but all else equal would stay. There are certainly degrees within those as well.

 

[BobPSU92]

I really think the people posting here that pretend to be in the know, are indeed pretending to be in the know.

People don’t lie or misrepresent on the interwebs. Must be a misunderstanding.

 

[Itraindogs]

I really think the people posting here that pretend to be in the know, are indeed pretending to be in the know.

To be fair, it was speculation. And it is a reasonable. Day has already won the National Championship at OSU, and he may very well win it again this year. For a young, aggressive, driven person, what do you think the next challenge would be? Stay at the same spot and accumulate more? Perhaps, but the next rung to climb is the NFL. Is this certain? Of course, not and no one has inside information on what ideas are populating in Day's head. But it is not outlandish to think he will look for another challenge. Does not strike me as a lifer in college football.

 

[bwc]

What a great read; thanks. Who takes this job, given the context, will be interesting to see. What a cluster. LSU is not the best job available now.

I can't take credit for the link, that was all @Midnighter. But yeah, LSU definitely isn't the best job avaliable, that should be clear now to everyone that was and is making that claim.

 

[G3624]

James Perry, anyone? Back to the future.

 

[Auxgym]

If he is the best candidate, that would be a terrible reason not to hire him.

If Urbs doesn’t have the balls to bring his Bar Chick to the Bell ringing I got no use for him.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

I officially do not want Urban Meyer

 

[Bwifan]

Good thing many here don't want Hartline ... OSU WRs are below average and play calling is just awful

 

[PSU4U]

Take him in a heartbeat as well. Brohm or Key would be home runs.

I find this time to be fascinating. It’s fun to read through and think about who prefers their current position but is using the psu search to leverage raises, those genuinely interested, those genuinely interested and would leave but all else equal would stay. There are certainly degrees within those as well.

Yeah, I get the Elko thing the Kiffin thing and even that Cignetti thing but the rest of them are different animals in different situations especially Brohm.

 

[Ludd]

Good thing many here don't want Hartline ... OSU WRs are below average and play calling is just awful

Recruiting at OSU is different than recruiting at PSU especially at the WR position.

 

[Meats Lab]

Good thing many here don't want Hartline ... OSU WRs are below average and play calling is just awful

Urban going to push him to the Swamp.

 

[Bwifan]

Recruiting at OSU is different than recruiting at PSU especially at the WR position.

Exactly ... Glad many here don't want the same success here at PSU with the coach that does it all

 

[donaldfair71]

Recruiting at OSU is different than recruiting at PSU especially at the WR position.

You don’t have to recruit like Ohio State to beat Ohio State sometimes. Michigan doesn’t and hasn’t lost to them in 6 years.

 

[PSU4U]

He is going to leave his alma mater and a program he is doing great things at to come here? I don’t see it.

His contract is just under 6 million. If you were him, would you stay or take possibly a 4-5 million raise and go where you actually had a chance to win a championship. Thereby getting out of a league that has essentially been given what amounts to a death sentence when expansion comes back around.

 

[Ludd]

Exactly ... Glad many here don't want the same success here at PSU with the coach that does it all

But Hartline isn’t going to have the same recruiting success at PSU that he has at OSU because he doesn’t have OSU behind him…that’s the point.

 

[Bwifan]

But Hartline isn’t going to have the same recruiting success at PSU that he has at OSU because he doesn’t have OSU behind him…that’s the point.

We just disagree ... No worries. Sure PSU will hire another retread 7 win coach we can all get behind

 

[WVilleLion23]

His contract is just under 6 million. If you were him, would you stay or take possibly a 4-5 million raise and go where you actually had a chance to win a championship. Thereby getting out of a league that has essentially been given what amounts to a death sentence when expansion comes back around.

Depends what his goals are. Is it to try to win a natty or is to try to somehow win a natty at GT? Rhetorical question. And if he somehow loses to NC State tonight…

 

[s1uggo72]

Source is me? Do opinions now need sources on this board?

Absolutely they do. I stated several times in the past, imo. And the board minions all chimed in, sources.

 

[donaldfair71]

But Hartline isn’t going to have the same recruiting success at PSU that he has at OSU because he doesn’t have OSU behind him…that’s the point.

You don’t have to have Ohio state’s recruiting success to beat Ohio state sometimes.
But you can get closer to their recruiting, be open to the portal, and not throw 3 straight screens down 20 in the 4th.

 

[s1uggo72]

Not comparable. How's he doing now that he has backing.

So at Purdue he was a .500 coach and has 1 fourth place finish in the ACC

 

[PSU4U]

Depends what his goals are. Is it to try to win a natty or is to try to somehow win a natty at GT? Rhetorical question. And if he somehow loses to NC State tonight…

LOL at myself. First of all, I was talking about the wrong coach Geesh. Sorry I was talking about Brohm for some reason. But the same principle would apply here.

Key's contract is 4.1 million with a buyout of about 11 million if Key could get 7 million out of PS he better take it for his bank account and family's sake.

But that's just me as I think it would be crazy to turn that kind of money down.

 

[Arivacalion]

Gus Johnson just said Brian Kelly is a perfect fit for Penn State. I couldn't believe I heard that so I ran it back.

 

[taryn]

You don’t have to have Ohio state’s recruiting success to beat Ohio state sometimes.
But you can get closer to their recruiting, be open to the portal, and not throw 3 straight screens down 20 in the 4th.

franklin gets off EASY with the firing!! he should be on the sidelines,arms folded and suffering like us with the product he put on the field this season. also he will never,never take a coaching job in the SEC or BIG10 and have to get his butt handed to him every year!! NO,NO its the ACC with lower level teams

 

[PSU4U]

Gus Johnson just said Brian Kelly is a perfect fit for Penn State. I couldn't believe I heard that so I ran it back.

Good Lord. Are they Pals of something.

 

[Nits1989]

You can see why this is false. Compare the attrition of Penn State's recruiting class against Florida's recruiting class. Hardly any have stepped off at Florida, while almost every recruit is either gone or is taking visits. Florida's class ranking has actually gone up one spot to 14th while Penn State's has nosedived to 27th and dropping. There are schools that are bigger than any coach. This is not the case at PSU.

Disagree. Penn State is a big draw.