NIL Usage

[joeyklings]

Obviously we need more money, but I have my doubts about how this coaching staff has been using the funds so far.

Our top 3 paid players are Clark Hines and Payne. They have combined to average 25ppg. This is such a waste of resources. How do you not spend the most amount of $ on players that can actually score the ball.

We keep saying this year is better than last year and that’s because it literally couldn’t get any worse. Do any of you fear that Sha doesn’t know how to use the NIL correctly?

 

[knowknow]

I do not

 

[HallX2]

Obviously we need more money, but I have my doubts about how this coaching staff has been using the funds so far.

Our top 3 paid players are Clark Hines and Payne. They have combined to average 25ppg. This is such a waste of resources. How do you not spend the most amount of $ on players that can actually score the ball.

We keep saying this year is better than last year and that’s because it literally couldn’t get any worse. Do any of you fear that Sha doesn’t know how to use the NIL correctly?

If it was only as easy as you imagine. I’d say with our payroll our results would have us in the top 20 of teams. Those above us have spent 70% plus more than us.
How many teams spending what we’ve spent have seen greater results?

 

[cernjSHU]

Obviously we need more money, but I have my doubts about how this coaching staff has been using the funds so far.

Our top 3 paid players are Clark Hines and Payne. They have combined to average 25ppg. This is such a waste of resources. How do you not spend the most amount of $ on players that can actually score the ball.

We keep saying this year is better than last year and that’s because it literally couldn’t get any worse. Do any of you fear that Sha doesn’t know how to use the NIL correctly?

A probable 20 win team coming off the heels of last year’s disaster is success. It is way the season unfolded is how it feels disappointing. I think Sha probably did a great job with the money he had which is clearly much lower than the three teams that are above him in the standings by 2-3 million. Does that extra 2-3 million buy you some shooters? Does one shorter change this team? It sure does. Think about this. How many teams below Seton Hall had more money? I’m sure there are a few.

Sha has won without shooters. This is not an easy accomplishment in today’s game. No coach is perfect and Sha is certainly not. But to come and think he can’t coach is ridiculous. He did great with the money he had to spend.

 

[Halldan]

One other factor, and I strongly disagreed with this and said so at the time. We waited too long until the court case freed up the money for NIL usage. Most schools. not all, spent that money before it was actually in hand knowing that was a near guarantee. While we waited many quality players came off the board and the pickings were slimmer when the money was released.

 

[Bud Boomer]

I hope we take a more top heavy spending approach this year. Pay what it takes to keep Hines, Budd, and TJ and figure out the rest once that’s done. Pro teams have very unbalanced payrolls because you only need 2-3 great players to have a great team. Ours payroll should look the same.

 

[HallGuy2323]

A probable 20 win team coming off the heels of last year’s disaster is success. It is way the season unfolded is how it feels disappointing. I think Sha probably did a great job with the money he had which is clearly much lower than the three teams that are above him in the standings by 2-3 million. Does that extra 2-3 million buy you some shooters? Does one shorter change this team? It sure does. Think about this. How many teams below Seton Hall had more money? I’m sure there are a few.

Sha has won without shooters. This is not an easy accomplishment in today’s game. No coach is perfect and Sha is certainly not. But to come and think he can’t coach is ridiculous. He did great with the money he had to spend.

Better than last year of course. It wasn’t possible to be much worse. However, you have to look at smaller picture.

We have 9 conference wins. 6 of them came against the 3 worst teams in the league standings.

We have 19 total wins. 9 of them came against extremely low level OOC or terrible big conference teams (WSU, KSU, RU)

We have one impressive victory all season.

Something is very off with the coaching staff to let this team continue to play worse and worse as the season goes on.

 

[hbkmyr]

A probable 20 win team coming off the heels of last year’s disaster is success. It is way the season unfolded is how it feels disappointing. I think Sha probably did a great job with the money he had which is clearly much lower than the three teams that are above him in the standings by 2-3 million. Does that extra 2-3 million buy you some shooters? Does one shorter change this team? It sure does. Think about this. How many teams below Seton Hall had more money? I’m sure there are a few.

Sha has won without shooters. This is not an easy accomplishment in today’s game. No coach is perfect and Sha is certainly not. But to come and think he can’t coach is ridiculous. He did great with the money he had to spend.

There are inexpensive options that can shoot the ball, but they have flaws mostly on the defensive end. The staff doesn’t seem willing to overlook those flaws to add a shooting element. They’d prefer a guy who plays defense and MAY hit a 3 to a guy that CAN hit a 3 but may not be a great defender.

 

[BrklynGrad]

Better than last year of course. It wasn’t possible to be much worse. However, you have to look at smaller picture.

We have 9 conference wins. 6 of them came against the 3 worst teams in the league standings.

We have 19 total wins. 9 of them came against extremely low level OOC or terrible big conference teams (WSU, KSU, RU)

We have one impressive victory all season.

Something is very off with the coaching staff to let this team continue to play worse and worse as the season goes on.

I don't like the way our coach yells at and berates players during timeouts. That said, it seems last year, the staff's approach was to bring in kids rated highly in high school who went to big time colleges but flopped. This year, supposedly, they went after what pundits call "ballers." I think the plan will be tweeked again next year. And we've won 9 BE games; last year we won two and one was a fluke. I'll take 19 wins anytime.

 

[shu09]

A probable 20 win team coming off the heels of last year’s disaster is success. It is way the season unfolded is how it feels disappointing. I think Sha probably did a great job with the money he had which is clearly much lower than the three teams that are above him in the standings by 2-3 million. Does that extra 2-3 million buy you some shooters? Does one shorter change this team? It sure does. Think about this. How many teams below Seton Hall had more money? I’m sure there are a few.

Sha has won without shooters. This is not an easy accomplishment in today’s game. No coach is perfect and Sha is certainly not. But to come and think he can’t coach is ridiculous. He did great with the money he had to spend.

The thought process in this post is exactly why coaches like Holloway schedule soft. It gets the fans and media to sing their praises because all they look at is the win total. Take a look under the hood and things still aren't that great.

Teams like 15-12 Auburn, 17-10 Ohio State, 17-10 Indiana have worse records, but they're much better teams than Seton Hall.

 

[SPK145]

Teams like 15-12 Auburn, 17-10 Ohio State, 17-10 Indiana have worse records, but they're much better teams than Seton Hall.

I see them all pretty close.

SPK Index
Ohio State = 39
Indiana = 42
Auburn = 45
Seton Hall = 52

 

[Halldan]

Kenpom

34 Auburn SEC 15-12 +20.28

36 Ohio St. B10 17-10 +19.93

41 Indiana B10 17-10 +18.59

51 Seton Hall BE 19-9 +14.63

 

[HallGuy2323]

Kenpom

34 Auburn SEC 15-12 +20.28

36 Ohio St. B10 17-10 +19.93

41 Indiana B10 17-10 +18.59

51 Seton Hall BE 19-9 +14.63

Huge difference even between us and Indiana. Let alone Auburn

 

[NIL BAD]

I don't like the way our coach yells at and berates players during timeouts. That said, it seems last year, the staff's approach was to bring in kids rated highly in high school who went to big time colleges but flopped. This year, supposedly, they went after what pundits call "ballers." I think the plan will be tweeked again next year. And we've won 9 BE games; last year we won two and one was a fluke. I'll take 19 wins anytime.

I felt bad for Simpkins during that exchange. Imagine getting berated like that on national TV for everyone to see. Such a bad look. I realize they are being paid now but the players are still human.

 

[joeyklings]

I guess I just wished we used NIL more top heavy. 2.1 million for 25ppg doesn’t cut it for me

 

[Hall84]

The thought process in this post is exactly why coaches like Holloway schedule soft. It gets the fans and media to sing their praises because all they look at is the win total. Take a look under the hood and things still aren't that great.

Teams like 15-12 Auburn, 17-10 Ohio State, 17-10 Indiana have worse records, but they're much better teams than Seton Hall.

This is the same Ohio St that is still looking for its first Q1 win at 0-9?

 

[NIL BAD]

One other factor, and I strongly disagreed with this and said so at the time. We waited too long until the court case freed up the money for NIL usage. Most schools. not all, spent that money before it was actually in hand knowing that was a near guarantee. While we waited many quality players came off the board and the pickings were slimmer when the money was released.

No doubt we waited too long but how many of those quality players actually would have helped this team considering what they would have cost. Based on what it cost us & their overall body of work, Payne, Hines, Simpkins & Clark were worth every penny.

 

[Hall84]

Plus we had saved up $ to use on Hines when he reclassified in the Summer.

 

[PirateBlue08]

I guess I just wished we used NIL more top heavy. 2.1 million for 25ppg doesn’t cut it for me

Yep, outside of a few games, Payne has been a disappointment considering being one of our highest NIL players. Hines has been a disappointment in the sense of lack of minutes played (whether that's due to conditioning or Sha mismanaging things is its own conversation), and Clark has been highly inconsistent. We need scorers and shooters next year. These 51-47 games may as well be losses. That won't work in March or against any worthy team. 0-18 from 3 is a recipe for failure, but at least we didn't get too caught up chasing fools gold.

 

[NIL BAD]

Clark, Hines & Payne helped at positions where we were severely lacking, point guard & center. I agree their offense has been inconsistent but their defense has been spectacular. The FG % of the rest of the roster is the main issue.

 

[Halldan]

Plus we had saved up $ to use on Hines when he reclassified in the Summer.

Agreed, if we spent money sooner we might have gotten better players early. But I doubt we would have been able to outbid NCS for Hines.

 

[Garyshu1971]

I felt bad for Simpkins during that exchange. Imagine getting berated like that on national TV for everyone to see. Such a bad look. I realize they are being paid now but the players are still human.

I can’t imagine him coming back. This has been going on for some time with Simpkins. I saw the look on his face down at Nova after a similar rant and it was not good.

 

[shu09]

This is the same Ohio St that is still looking for its first Q1 win at 0-9?

Absolutely. Better than Seton Hall by every objective measure.

 

[Bud Boomer]

I see them all pretty close.

SPK Index
Ohio State = 39
Indiana = 42
Auburn = 45
Seton Hall = 52

I think they are similar also, but if you measure from the start of conference play the gap is pretty big. I could make the argument that we are not the same team that started off so well.

32. Ohio state
34. Indiana
40. Auburn
72. Seton Hall

 

[ivyhillpark63]

I think they are similar also, but if you measure from the start of conference play the gap is pretty big. I could make the argument that we are not the same team that started off so well.

32. Ohio state
34. Indiana
40. Auburn
72. Seton Hall

We beat them all on any given day. They haven't seen an opponent who can muck things like us ..

 

[Hall84]

Absolutely. Better than Seton Hall by every objective measure.

Kenpom defensive rating

Seton Hall 9
Ohio St 59

I guess not every objective measure.

 

[SPK145]

I think they are similar also, but if you measure from the start of conference play the gap is pretty big. I could make the argument that we are not the same team that started off so well.

32. Ohio state
34. Indiana
40. Auburn
72. Seton Hall

I don't disagree at all, do it from Jan 21 to now.

 

[shu09]

Kenpom defensive rating

Seton Hall 9
Ohio St 59

I guess not every objective measure.

That's only one component that goes into a team's overall rating. But you know that (I think), so stop playing dumb.

 

[DIMEDISHA13]

No doubt we waited too long but how many of those quality players actually would have helped this team considering what they would have cost. Based on what it cost us & their overall body of work, Payne, Hines, Simpkins & Clark were worth every penny.

Just look at what Coleman was paid at Oklahoma State and PJ Haggerty at KSU. A waste of millions for what their teams look like.

 

[SPK145]

Just look at what Coleman was paid at Oklahoma State and PJ Haggerty at KSU. A waste of millions for what their teams look like.

There are tons of them out there.

 

[Bud Boomer]

I don't disagree at all, do it from Jan 21 to now.

26. Ohio State
36. Indiana
45. Auburn
101. Seton Hall

All those other teams had key guys missing during that window too (Mobley, Conerway, and Key Hall). Yikes.

 

[SPK145]

26. Ohio State
36. Indiana
45. Auburn
101. Seton Hall

All those other teams had key guys missing during that window too (Mobley, Conerway, and Key Hall). Yikes.

The defense rests.

 

[Fishjam]

I guess I just wished we used NIL more top heavy. 2.1 million for 25ppg doesn’t cut it for me

It's clear that Sha did not spend enough during the initial Portal frenzy. Most power teams had 10 or more players committed at a time where we had 4. And we didn't spend 7 figures for anyone.

The question is was this Sha slowly adjusting to the rising prices and his belief that he wanted to spread the money evenly across 10-12 players? Or was it that he and/or Felt were afraid to spend their budget until the settlement was signed?

Whatever the reason it's clear that only about 50% of the budget was spent on the starting 5 which is not the way to build a team. Your starters should be about 75% of your budget and nothing substantial should be spent past your top 9 players.

 

[ivyhillpark63]

There are tons of them out there.

Thats what happens when you pay guess who dont think D is important

 

[lloyde dobler]

Providence paying out $10 Million, and $1.7 million to Edwards alone. How much is Georgetown paying their guys? How is that all working out?

As far as the original poster goes, based on everything else he posts, he’d also take issue with what Holloway eats for breakfast.

 

[cernjSHU]

The thought process in this post is exactly why coaches like Holloway schedule soft. It gets the fans and media to sing their praises because all they look at is the win total. Take a look under the hood and things still aren't that great.

Teams like 15-12 Auburn, 17-10 Ohio State, 17-10 Indiana have worse records, but they're much better teams than Seton Hall.

Maybe they are better than Seton Hall. But how much more NIL money did they spend than Seton Hall to be roughly equivalent? That’s exactly what I mean. You point to these teams but they spent $-2-4 million more than Seton Hall. So who is a better coach to ave roughly equivalent teams? Give Sha that money and see what happens.

 

[NIL BAD]

When is enough enough? It's obvious the answer is never.

 

[SPK145]

Maybe they are better than Seton Hall. But how much more NIL money did they spend than Seton Hall to be roughly equivalent? That’s exactly what I mean. You point to these teams but they spent $-2-4 million more than Seton Hall. So who is a better coach to ave roughly equivalent teams? Give Sha that money and see what happens.

Good point but tough to say, Sha doesn't want to spend money. He needs help there.

Devries of Indiana is better than Sha, Diebler at Ohio State is not better, too early to tell on Pearl The Younger.

 

[joeyklings]

Providence paying out $10 Million, and $1.7 million to Edwards alone. How much is Georgetown paying their guys? How is that all working out?

As far as the original poster goes, based on everything else he posts, he’d also take issue with what Holloway eats for breakfast.

Simply not true. I think he’s done a decent job this year. I agreed with the approach he took with the ooc schedule.

I don’t agree with the not changing the starting lineup. I don’t agree with playing Payne over Hines. He didn’t hit any homeruns in the portal, a couple of whiffs, but still better than last year.

 

[Halldan]

Maybe they are better than Seton Hall. But how much more NIL money did they spend than Seton Hall to be roughly equivalent? That’s exactly what I mean. You point to these teams but they spent $-2-4 million more than Seton Hall. So who is a better coach to ave roughly equivalent teams? Give Sha that money and see what happens.

A hell of a lot more than $2-$4M