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I don’t really comment here as much because of being disenchanted with the NIL era but from what i’ve seen of SHU this year the same core issue remains - lack of NIL funding, sure, but Shaheen is still not a good offensive coach.
Seton Hall is respectable this year, and maybe that’s just the ceiling in this era. They made some solid adjustments in putting together this team’s roster but i’ll be shocked if they make the tournament until Shaheen learns from Dan Hurley and puts more emphasis on the offensive end.
He still doesn’t run enough sets to help out his deficient talent.
The best possible thing for Seton Hall basketball aside from another 3-4M in NIL funds would be Shaheen hiring a bright young offensive mind and letting him design the offense.
Seton Hall is respectable this year, and maybe that’s just the ceiling in this era. They made some solid adjustments in putting together this team’s roster but i’ll be shocked if they make the tournament until Shaheen learns from Dan Hurley and puts more emphasis on the offensive end.
He still doesn’t run enough sets to help out his deficient talent.
The best possible thing for Seton Hall basketball aside from another 3-4M in NIL funds would be Shaheen hiring a bright young offensive mind and letting him design the offense.
Not that I disagree, but you have a better chance of me dunking a BB now than this happening.
Have to guess around $1M. He was a top 30 transfer the year before after averaging 17 & 10 and shooting 47% from 3. He signed with Gonzaga but didn't have a great year. But he was considered a prime bounce back candidate and ranked #179 by EvanMiya.
He would have been a perfect pickup for us as a big, versatile, physical 4. We probably spent more than what it would have cost for Ajayi on Fisher, Dar, Suemnick and Rivera.
Personally I think its lazy to just put it all on lack of talent. What’s frustrating about Shaheen is the fact he HAS shown he can coach up talent. He needs a philosophical shift and more delegation. As @Halldan said, its not happening though.
I think Shaheen has an extremely high ceiling as a HC if that happens. Until then you won’t see much change.
The best way I can summarize what I think of Sha, is that he can afford B level talent. And he chooses to focus on defense first because that will more often not keep you in a game even with an A-level team. It’s not exactly beautiful basketball but this year is a good example when looking at the results.
Defense im not worried. Putting the ball in the hole is a worry. Those guys come at a cost
Sha does a tremendous job coaching defense but good teams cannot be one dimensional. We lead the Nation in combined Blocks and Steals and are 10th in overall Defensive Efficiency. That is elite defense, yet we are not even going to make the NCAA Tournament based on current results because our offense is 188th. The defense can only carry a team so far if the offense is as bad as ours is.
In Willard's last 7 years, we were in the NCAAs 6 times and although people complained about our offense, we were a balanced team every year. Our KenPom Defensive Rating was between 10th and 63rd all 7 years. Our Offensive Rating was between 17th and 91st all 7 years. We were balanced and capable of winning games of different styles. Right now, we can only win a slow-paced, grind it out, slop-fest.
Sha has had only 1 team in his 8 years with an Offensive and Defensive rank in the top 100. That was the NIT year when he had his best offense ranked 70th with the 33rd ranked defense. That's the year Sha had 3 strong offensive players in their 2nd year in the program. We have to hope he can recapture that dynamic by bringing back Clark, Simpkins and Hines this Spring.
In Willard's last 7 years, we were in the NCAAs 6 times and although people complained about our offense, we were a balanced team every year. Our KenPom Defensive Rating was between 10th and 63rd all 7 years. Our Offensive Rating was between 17th and 91st all 7 years. We were balanced and capable of winning games of different styles. Right now, we can only win a slow-paced, grind it out, slop-fest.
Sha has had only 1 team in his 8 years with an Offensive and Defensive rank in the top 100. That was the NIT year when he had his best offense ranked 70th with the 33rd ranked defense. That's the year Sha had 3 strong offensive players in their 2nd year in the program. We have to hope he can recapture that dynamic by bringing back Clark, Simpkins and Hines this Spring.
You think if Sha had Desi, Angel, KC, and Powell.
or
McKnight, All American Powell, Sandro, Cale, Rhoden and Gill
he wouldn’t have a highly ranked offense?
Btw that first group when they were juniors was ranked 84th. That’s kind of criminal if you ask me.
It would be better (hard not to be), but it wouldn't be highly ranked.
Never miss a chance to take a shot. You’re like news media propaganda. Republican party has Fox, democratic party has MSNBC and the Sha party has LeftCoast where on that station they can find ways to applaud teams that didn’t make the tournament and scrutinize teams that did.
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I think it’s fair to say that those teams underachieved. The talent on those teams was great.
Great compared to today’s team.
Once whitehead was gone it was not great compared to what nova had. Not great compared to what Mack was bringing at X. And yet the 2 years after whitehead left we finished tied for 3rd both years. I guess some pie in the sky expectations that we were better than nova and x at that time then sure they underachieved. But any realistic expectations finishing just below them was right where the talent was.
I’m not sure he’d even roster a few of those guys who were subpar defenders.
Bingo!
And it’s not simply money. It’s design. He wants to play this style. He’s gotta be open to skilled offensive players who many not be these physical defensive bruisers.
All I want next year is just one new player who can shoot the ball and as other head coaches say coach defense . There has to be a player out there that is not that costly, maybe from a lower D 1 program . Just like we did with Clark from Merrimack .
You’ll never have that money here to get the blue chip two-way types you see in the SEC or Connecticut + St. John’s. It won’t happen.
For a coach who rides players for defense, what’s the approach if you have a Myles Powell who doesn’t defend like that but he’s going to win you games offensively as a complement to the guys banging on defense? We just need to adjust.
Shaheen has never coached a team that finished better than 7th in his conference in offense. Most of his teams are in the bottom 3, and several have been DFL. His Elite 8 team at St. Peter's finished 9th of 11 MAAC teams in offense.
Eight years, eight different rosters, and not a single above-average offensive season. The system doesn't work and is holding back a great defensive coach.
So that’s the answer that no one has suggested. He needs a blend of these types of one dimensional players.
A couple of skilled offensive players who are affordable because they “can’t” play D. Not that they are talented and don’t want to play D. But this recruit for offense and coach D with the players NOT having that talent isn’t the answer either.
You look around the league and the box scores this year with the bottom tier teams and go wow. Let’s use Xavier as an example
PROV: 94
Xavier: 84
Nova 92
Xavier 89
Xavier 96
MU 88
SJU 88
Xavier 83
Cu 94
Xavier 93
Xavier 97
Providence 84
Xavier surrenders 84.9 ppg in league play.
Do we want to win ugly or lose artistically?
Well it’s the best talent at Seton Hall since Tommy Amaker was here. Sure it may not be as good as Villanova those two years. But it certainly was better than 8-9 seed in the tournament and going 1-2 in the Dance in those two years. Yes. They underachieved.
They also average 78.3 a game . Their problem is the opposite of ours. The answer is some type of balance which is hard to achieve . Although we are only 1 offensive player away from maybe achieving that .
We were a 6 seed with Whitehead who carried us. I'm not sure what you were expecting 2017. And top of that anyone who watched Whitehead form November through January didn't think he had a chance of going pro. Then February through early March he was phenomenal. So it was a last minute backup plan to bring in Madison Jones who was never going to stir the drink like Whitehead did.
2018 tough to overachieve when guys get suspended for doing weed within the season. A coach can't make anyone take basketball seriously enough to give up weed. If players won't do that, you can only do so much.
Right. It’s all about options and multiple ways to win games. You need both sides of the floor. We need to adjust a bit. It is clearly a function of design when you’re ~300th or worse in the country multiple times with different rosters yet have great defense. Sha does not like the mentality of the typical shooter on his teams. It’s true.
And you can coach to it if you’re open to it. Players know how the roles complement. These guys busting their *** on defense would love a guy extending leads with 3’s.
Chuck Daily once said Shooting makes up for a multitude of sins!!!!
Offensive efficiency is trending up all across college basketball. In his 8 years as HC, offense in Division 1 has increased every year and is up a whopping 8 points per 100 possessions in that time. He needs to get onboard with how the game has trended. (see chart below)
Not only is his offense inefficient, it's slow, takes up too much shot clock and requires too much energy and physicality to be effective.
Once Sha calls a play both wings are sprinting around the court running off screens from the 4 & 5 to try and get open. Or they run the weave with a ton of horizontal or backwards player movement instead of passing the ball. What he wants is to create a mismatch and some space so guys can attack the basket. All of that takes too much running and physicality and doesn't even result in consistent quality shots.
Embrace proper spacing, work on drive and kicks and playing inside out, getting the ball into the low post, valuing the 3-point shot, etc.
Not only is his offense inefficient, it's slow, takes up too much shot clock and requires too much energy and physicality to be effective.
Once Sha calls a play both wings are sprinting around the court running off screens from the 4 & 5 to try and get open. Or they run the weave with a ton of horizontal or backwards player movement instead of passing the ball. What he wants is to create a mismatch and some space so guys can attack the basket. All of that takes too much running and physicality and doesn't even result in consistent quality shots.
Embrace proper spacing, work on drive and kicks and playing inside out, getting the ball into the low post, valuing the 3-point shot, etc.
If you’re not going to incorporate the 3PT shot – look at his historical 3PA:FGA numbers – then you better have some way to create spacing and passing because teams have a blueprint on you. And we often have 2-3 players that can’t create space or aren’t threats for a defense to watch. It’s why it looks so different with Clark/Simpkins/Staton-McCray/Hines are on the floor together but it’s insanely rare. Those guys are good offensive players that need coverage and convert. Watching the difference between Hines and Payne, it’s night and day.
Especially against BE teams that play you 2x per year and have seen even with a new roster you’re not switching it up. They pack the paint or they zone us and we looking like grade schoolers. Look at how much the passing has cutdown since November because of it too.
In the non-con it worked because teams didn’t defend us like they know us and, to be fair, we were knocking down the open 3’s that we did take which we are not now likely bc we’re rundown; we’re on way under normal.
Well at least we didn’t go 5-11 with the talent like Amaker did. And too bad Willard didn’t get a Ty Shine performance out of anyone. It could’ve been worse.
I thought the 2017-18 team underachieved and we never got a shot with the 2019-20 team. Not the others. Yeah his 1-5 record sucked and he’s dogged by it from many fans. But it was a really fun era.
I also appreciated Willard saying he wish he had gone to his first S16 with SHU in one of the pressers. That was genuine.
We wildly overrated that talent because of how bad we were the many years before that
They were a good team nothing more
What is highly ranked?
And no I don’t..because he has never had a highly ranked offense in his head coaching career
well then I hate to say it, but…
1. Hines can’t be your center in the pick and roll. Your 5 in today’s spacing game needs to do one of two things. Either pick and pop, or rim run on alley oops to penalize the D for hedging without letting the D rotate over. Maybe Hines improves in this area but he doesn’t move fast enough to attack the D from out high on the pick and roll.
2. Probably going to get crap for this point. Budd Clark can’t be your PG. The PG needs to attack off the pick and roll as a threat to score at the rim. Therefore the defense needs to rotate over and allow the ball to kick out to the perimeter. Budd’s most effective move is to take a difficult midrange pull up jumper. If I am the opposing coach I’m letting him get his all day long taking that type of shot.
I’m not helping off the other spot up 3 point shooters.
I’m also going to play drop coverage against him to minimize the advantage of the pick and roll spacing, and have the original defender go under the screen, because he isn’t a threat to stop and shoot the 3 ball.
We want to have a more modern day offense philosophy, by just adding more shooters. However, the same people want to bring back Clark and Hines. And I am going to tell you to blow up the entire thing because they don’t allow you to play that style even if you added an extra shooter or two.